prudent_kreeda Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 The major issue when we face pak in short format of late is the threat of Amir. We have seen it in Wt20 in Bangla and in Ct17. If we are able to play out his 5 overs , i think we will get an upper hand over PAK in any match . Sow how we should counter his opening spell ? For that we need to check how he gets his wickets in his opening spell - 1. He will bowl a very accurate in ducker which is almost very full . A deadly ball for right handers. He got Rahane in WT20 and Rohit in CT17. But i have not seen him bowling lot of in dippers regularly from good length as Zaheer use to do. 2. He bowls good length deliveries which moves away with an angle . Again a wicket taking ball to right handers . Wickets /edges of Rohit /Kohli come to mind. 3. he will bowl a sharp bouncer to catch batsman on the hook. 4. Tries to bowl a bit of back of lentgh ball cross seamer to get extra bounce . Specially uses them against lefties on Off stump. 5. Above all bowls the opening spell with full force and very accurate too. Here i am talking about decent batting wickets and not heavy seaming wicket. How he needs to be countered : 1. Most of the wicket taking balls are either very full or good length and batsman are beaten by movement /angles he creates from that length . What if batsman takes guard a meter outside the crease ? This may force him pull the length back if he wants to bowl good length / full length balls . When ball is bowled bit short , it has less chance of movement in air . Also a shortish ball gives little more time for batsman to see the ball. 2. Flip side of standing that much outside the crease , it may expose batsman to short rising ball / Bouncer . I think batsman should be ready to take rising ball on their body rather than risking getting out to pull /hook if not in control. Also leave alone the bouncers . 3. Ensure as many balls of his opening spell is played by Left handers as possible . Why? a. A leftie should be able to play a full in ducker (an outswing for him) better than right hander. b. As i said i have not seen him bowling lot of good lentgh ball in swingers regularly which could a wicket taking delivery for a lefties. c. His angling ball from off stump Right handers will be going towards leg stump for lefties , with much less chances of LBW or catch. d. Other wicket taking ball cross seamer on offstump with extra lift should be the one a leftie should be watching for and should leave it alone . 4. Objective should be to not to give away wicket in 3-4 overs and look just to pinch singles. If a bad ball on its was cash on it. 5. I am sure by that time he will start experimenting with other deliveries by that stage . 6. may be use 2 lefties against PAK if we do find 2 top level batters with atleast OK technique . I am not a hard core pro cricketer and as such would like others to comment what they think about the above and also put forward their suggestions / innovative methods of countering his initial spell. I think RKT , Express ji and other esteemed borders ( i might have missed names sorry !) would have lot more ideas up their sleeve to make this thread very interesting and informative . Hope some real good ideas come up StriKe, dark_profile and Gollum 3 Link to comment
StriKe Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) Q:How to counter Amir's opening spell A: Play bilateral series with Pakistan or invite Amir to play in IPL. thread/ btw nice OP Edited June 20, 2017 by StriKe sandeep 1 Link to comment
Iconoclast Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Have to be very cautious against him when the ball is still swinging. Particularly true for right-handers who he will trap for LBW. Best move is not to play any shots during his opening spell. Unfortunately for India there was huge scoreboard pressure and they had to play. If there is no reverse than you can try scoring on his second and death spells. However he is still very accurate and usually does get a little reverse. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 First of all Amir is not a great category bowler just as several ATG bowlers of the past.He is a very good bowler , a fast & skiddy sort of bowler. And he is better than any bowlers of ours. Needs to find some good lefthanded fast skiddy bolwers like him Link to comment
Haarkarjeetgaye Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 to tackle the incoming ball, one has to be quick with the hands. Kohli does this well and should be able to handle Aamirs incoming ball. Rohit does not do this. the ball going outside has to be left. Rohit does this better than Kohli Link to comment
bleaf27 Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Give him a blank check before the game .... Rasgulla 1 Link to comment
kosingh Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 2 minutes ago, bleaf27 said: Give him a blank check before the game .... Blank check? 100 rupees will probably do it. Link to comment
prudent_kreeda Posted June 20, 2017 Author Share Posted June 20, 2017 1 minute ago, kosingh said: Blank check? 100 rupees will probably do it. NAAH , Ab rate bhad gaya hai . CT final ke baad Link to comment
kosingh Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 Just now, prudent_kreeda said: NAAH , Ab rate bhad gaya hai . CT final ke baad Fine. 100 Indian rupees, not Pakistani rupees. Laaloo 1 Link to comment
Cricketics Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 My two cents @prudent_kreeda Straight Bat Straight Bat Straight Bat Our openers all through out this tournament have started slow and have been watchfull barring this game against Pak because the moment probabaly got better of them. I will give my two cents from what I have learned after playing cricket regularly from past 12 years at a higher level. Recently Amir has been struggling to get wickets if anyone followed Pakistan's games. He had bowled well in Australia but was unlucky at times with catches dropped or that his spells were played with straight bat. He got wickets against us because he bowled wel but we also fell for his swing and at times by his pace. The best time for him to bowl is the first 3-4 overs when the ball is swinging. Our openers lacked the ability to rotate with the straight bat. A left arm seamer will always not like someone "tapping" and taking a run of his bowling. This is what Dhawan and Rohit failed to do and this what Kohli also could not do before he edged the 2nd time and got out. Bowlers hate when a batsman who has been beaten by him, takes a quick single by tapping. Had Dhawan and Rohit succeeded in doing that they would have changed Amir's line who would have tried to bow a different line in search of wickets, plus on top of this, the frustration of changing the field for a right-left combo is massive. Here are the dismissals Dhawan Dhawan here should have clearly played with a straighter bat or looked to leave that ball. A well-left was ideal which he did not do. It was a good ball to leave. Also a straight bat shot or defense would have earned him a four or a single Kohli Check this Kohli's wicket. He is kind of getting square and trying to play it down mid wicket or near cow corner region. But the ball could have been easily driven straight or dropped short with a straight bat for a quick single. This is what Sehwg was doing a lot with Gambhir earlier a lot. What Kohli did is what we call "cross" shot. Kohli played across and felt for it. Ball was not on the leg which be thought and should have played straight. Important - Kohli should have taken leg stump guard for Aamir and exposed his off stump which would have made it easier for him to tackle that ball drifting down off. Rohit's wicket. Again here, this is where one can say the face of the bat wasn't there. Beaten a bit by pace and was a casual shot. He looks lethargic in this. He was trying to flick too early and in the end the bat came late. Best way to flick is to bring the bat straight and then rotate it. Rohit did not do either and was found plumb. dark_profile, Gollum and Adi_91 3 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 India had no left arm seamer to practice against. They could have atleast gone with Unadkat. Link to comment
StriKe Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 10 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: India had no left arm seamer to practice against. They could have atleast gone with Unadkat. You like to play dangerous in this forum i see The Dark Horse and Rasgulla 2 Link to comment
Rasgulla Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 5 minutes ago, StriKe said: You like to play dangerous in this forum i see Link to comment
StriKe Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 52 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: India had no left arm seamer to practice against. They could have atleast gone with Unadkat. Isn't Starc part of RCB squad He would have got enough practice. Kohli is great learner. Link to comment
dark_profile Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 3 hours ago, Cricketics said: @prudent_kreeda The best time for him to bowl is the first 3-4 overs when the ball is swinging. Our openers lacked the ability to rotate with the straight bat. A left arm seamer will always not like someone "tapping" and taking a run of his bowling. This is what Dhawan and Rohit failed to do and this what Kohli also could not do before he edged the 2nd time and got out. Bowlers hate when a batsman who has been beaten by him, takes a quick single by tapping. Had Dhawan and Rohit succeeded in doing that they would have changed Amir's line who would have tried to bow a different line in search of wickets, plus on top of this, the frustration of changing the field for a right-left combo is massive. That is what even I thought. Rotating strike by stealing singles is the best strategy against an aggressive wicket-taking bowler. If you look at Rohit's dismissal, the bowler set him up in a trap by pitching first two balls as out-swingers. The third one was a deceptive in-swinger. Link to comment
cuttermaster Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Fixer is truly world class. He has potential to be a great. I have seen Tamim spank Pak LF bowlers but charging them. Ruins line and length. Link to comment
Cricketics Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 16 minutes ago, dark_profile said: That is what even I thought. Rotating strike by stealing singles is the best strategy against an aggressive wicket-taking bowler. If you look at Rohit's dismissal, the bowler set him up in a trap by pitching first two balls as out-swingers. The third one was a deceptive in-swinger. Yes, if one has played the game or has bowled a lot, one would know that if a player has bowled few good balls and suddenly a batsman takes a single, its very frustrating. It certainly is for me. I don't like a player take a single. I rather get hit for a boundary and keep the batsman on strike to get him out on the next ball than let the batsman rotate. Now in this case, we had even better option, rotating here is double bonus as the fielders also have to move around since the fielding is set differently to both the batsmen as one is RH and the other is LH. Its big mess for fielding team to keep changing the positions from point fielder to square to long etc. Few singles in the over makes the bowler to change his line. This is what Kohli does better and Dhoni used to be good at. Tendulkar-Gambhir-Sehwag were also good at this, though Sehwag was a lazy runner. Link to comment
nevada Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Why bother? We won't play against them anytime soon. Link to comment
Cricketics Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, nevada said: Why bother? We won't play against them anytime soon. It could turn out to be issue against many left handers actually. Even Boult on swinging track can be lethal or even better than Amir at times. Rotation is important. Link to comment
dark_profile Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Cricketics said: Yes, if one has played the game or has bowled a lot, one would know that if a player has bowled few good balls and suddenly a batsman takes a single, its very frustrating. It certainly is for me. I don't like a player take a single. I rather get hit for a boundary and keep the batsman on strike to get him out on the next ball than let the batsman rotate. Now in this case, we had even better option, rotating here is double bonus as the fielders also have to move around since the fielding is set differently to both the batsmen as one is RH and the other is LH. Its big mess for fielding team to keep changing the positions from point fielder to square to long etc. Few singles in the over makes the bowler to change his line. This is what Kohli does better and Dhoni used to be good at. Tendulkar-Gambhir-Sehwag were also good at this, though Sehwag was a lazy runner. Right. The bowler sees it as a duel between him and the batsman. But if the batsman refuses to acknowledge the bowler's challenge by stealing a dirty single, it really pisses off the bowler, "He doesn't want to face me? What a coward!" Link to comment
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