nikred Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 I think this is akin to 9/11 conspiracy theory. Wondering if there is any show with 9/11 conspiracy storyline. Showed in a serious manner not as comedy.I think the problem was with the timing of that episode. 10 years back such episode wouldn't have mattered much. With all those saffron terror conspiracy theories in the air, this was just bad timing. Sent from my Redmi Note 4 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanted_desi Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 This is all part of their plan to get this shitty show some limelight, maybe save it from getting canned if not already so. Director/Writer/Ms.Chopra knew what reaction would this lead to, and thats all they wanted. Gollum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, wanted_desi said: This is all part of their plan to get this shitty show some limelight, maybe save it from getting canned if not already so. Director/Writer/Ms.Chopra knew what reaction would this lead to, and thats all they wanted. Nobody watches Qauntico in India and its not generating any news in North America. So nobody cares. Its a bit like how the movie 300 was officially banned by Iran and they lodged a protest over it, but nobody in the western media cared or complained. So if this was a move for publicity, it was a pretty poor one - those who watch it dont care and those who dont watch it, are all upset by it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Nobody watches Qauntico in India and its not generating any news in North America. So nobody cares. Its a bit like how the movie 300 was officially banned by Iran and they lodged a protest over it, but nobody in the western media cared or complained. So if this was a move for publicity, it was a pretty poor one - those who watch it dont care and those who dont watch it, are all upset by it.No matter how much you try to downplay the issue..it’s not the way you are trying to project... the Producers and Pork Choos have actually apologised to the Indians (both based in NA & India)... They tried to show Indians in bad light and had to apologise... if they didn’t cared (as per your logic) they wouldn’t have... Number, Jimmy Cliff and Gollum 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 20 minutes ago, asterix said: No matter how much you try to downplay the issue..it’s not the way you are trying to project... the Producers and Pork Choos have actually apologised to the Indians (both based in NA & India)... Well ofcourse they will apologize. Everyone apologizes when someone is offended in the media, doesn't matter if its an over-reaction or not. 20 minutes ago, asterix said: They tried to show Indians in bad light and had to apologise... if they didn’t cared (as per your logic) they wouldn’t have... Sure. And the producers of 300 apologized to Iran as well. Its called PR. Nobody cares, else it'd be in the news here. It isn't a big deal. If Indians are potrayed in bad light because of fictitious storyline about terrorists, then i am sure Americans are potrayed in bad light over the same fictitious storylines a million times over. Alam_dar 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) 1. I have watched hundreds of movies and series where Muslims all over the world played terrorist role. And this terrorism was not limited only to the non-state actors, but also the Islamic governments and their agencies were directly involved in the terrorism. And all this is allowed in name of Fantasy Story of the film. 2. And this this is not only limited to the Muslim terrorists and Muslim States. But hollywood made hundreds of movies where Russia or South American countries were involved in the terrorism. Again both individual non-state terrorists and also the government and the agencies. And all this is allowed in the name of the Fantasy story of the film. 3. And this is not only limited to the Muslims and Russian Block, but hollywood showed hundreds of movies where the terrorists are Americans themselves. Perhaps the numbers of movies with CIA as terrorists is more than the movies with Muslims as terrorists. For sure their numbers far exceed of the films where Russians are the terrorists. Not only non-state Americans, but the Government and CIA playing even worst role than the Muslim terrorists. And all this is allowed in name of the Fantasy Story of the film. 4. And in Qauntico, it is not even the Indian government, but there are some private non-state actors who are involved in this act. Therefore, please don't take it so seriously. It is normal in the film industry. Edited June 10, 2018 by Alam_dar GoldenSun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikhil_cric Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 What is the need to get so offended by her taking a role? If Hindus feel offended boycott movies/series that offend your religious sentiments and be done with it. I'm nt sure why ABC or even ms. chopra has to apologise for anything. GoldenSun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 [mention=5943]Alam_dar[/mention] the reason of protests by Indians (especially RW) is because of a history...PC and her brother Uday Chopda has been critical of Modi Govt, Hindu RW and generally seen as the Liberal gang members giving political statements... So they got their chance to get back at PC... It’s a free World... people protested.. In this twitter era everything and anything gets publicity... whether people watch the show or not is immaterial.. video clips can be circulated in social media to prove a point... Many Indians joined (who are on social media) in because the plot was incredulous even if fictitious. An Indian “Hindu” terrorists trying to jeopardise Indo-Pak peace talks in USA by trying to explode a nuclear device and blame it on Islamic terrorists. He gets identified by Pork Chops as he was wearing a “Rudraksh” wrist band (So portraying that it was not only an Indian, it as an Indian Hindu trying to be terrorist to blame innocent Pakistani Muslim)... Stereo typing that Indians are Hindus only. You can protray Indians/Hindus as drugs dealer, bad guys etc (Anil Kapur, Irrfan Khan etc), has anybody protested ever? And there’s a history there... The Mumbai massacre Pak Terrorists were wearing saffron coloured wristbands etc to portray themselves as Hindu terrorists... Many politicians and activists were convinced that they were Hindu Rightwing Terrorists trying to portray Pakistan in bad light... the rest is history... It’s the portrayal of Hindu Terrorist which created issues because there are no Hindu Terrorist abroad... there could be some in India... but not abroad. Indians take immense pride in not creating mass casualty like situation abroad.. if some low esteem so called Indians (and there’s a reason why they are called librandus) don’t find it odd that’s their problem, not majority of Indians... Turning_track, MechEng, DHONI_FANN and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechEng Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 2 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Well ofcourse they will apologize. Everyone apologizes when someone is offended in the media, doesn't matter if its an over-reaction or not. Sure. And the producers of 300 apologized to Iran as well. Its called PR. Nobody cares, else it'd be in the news here. It isn't a big deal. If Indians are potrayed in bad light because of fictitious storyline about terrorists, then i am sure Americans are potrayed in bad light over the same fictitious storylines a million times over. For example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clarke Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) Many (sizeable number) people in our part of the world aren't mature enough to distinguish fact from fiction e.g. Padmavat. The hard impact is also seen in the whatsapp forwards and the rumour related killings across the country. As it is often said "dont sweat the small stuff", ignore the run of the mill tv show/movie. Focus on your task at hand which creates a real impression of Indian Hindus in the society/world around you. Edited June 10, 2018 by Clarke GoldenSun 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHONI_FANN Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 11 hours ago, Stuge said: lol All shows and movies have disclaimer called as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_persons_fictitious_disclaimer People reacting over fictitious plot and stories is werid . Very convenient! Read the script, shot the episode ,took the money and apologise! Deeply saddened and feel sorry for you that your sentiments have not been hurt! UrmiSinhaRay, Switchblade, Gollum and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechEng Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 45 minutes ago, asterix said: [mention=5943]Alam_dar[/mention] the reason of protests by Indians (especially RW) is because of a history...PC and her brother Uday Chopda has been critical of Modi Govt, Hindu RW and generally seen as the Liberal gang members giving political statements... So they got their chance to get back at PC... It’s a free World... people protested.. In this twitter era everything and anything gets publicity... whether people watch the show or not is immaterial.. video clips can be circulated in social media to prove a point... Many Indians joined (who are on social media) in because the plot was incredulous even if fictitious. An Indian “Hindu” terrorists trying to jeopardise Indo-Pak peace talks in USA by trying to explode a nuclear device and blame it on Islamic terrorists. He gets identified by Pork Chops as he was wearing a “Rudraksh” wrist band (So portraying that it was not only an Indian, it as an Indian Hindu trying to be terrorist to blame innocent Pakistani Muslim)... Stereo typing that Indians are Hindus only. You can protray Indians/Hindus as drugs dealer, bad guys etc (Anil Kapur, Irrfan Khan etc), has anybody protested ever? And there’s a history there... The Mumbai massacre Pak Terrorists were wearing saffron coloured wristbands etc to portray themselves as Hindu terrorists... Many politicians and activists were convinced that they were Hindu Rightwing Terrorists trying to portray Pakistan in bad light... the rest is history... It’s the portrayal of Hindu Terrorist which created issues because there are no Hindu Terrorist abroad... there could be some in India... but not abroad. Indians take immense pride in not creating mass casualty like situation abroad.. if some low esteem so called Indians (and there’s a reason why they are called librandus) don’t find it odd that’s their problem, not majority of Indians... I guess even Rahul Gandhi would not approve of this script. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted June 10, 2018 Author Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, Muloghonto said: meh, its just a tv show. I've noticed that Indians have a reputation to the rest of the world as 'being touchy'....and this confirms it. As for not respecting culture and blahblah - hollywood has made countless movies about rogue terrorist 'agent gone bad' from amidst their own. Nobody bats an eyelash when its a former CIA-agent-turned-mass-murderer-hell-bent-on-insanity or some bible-thumping serial killer like Seven..... And here we have people going 'revoke her citizenship'....LOL. Thing is CIA agents gone rogue or fundamentalist Christians are not unheard of in the States. But Indians (esp Hindus) have never carried out terror plots over there. Muslims have, Pakistanis have but never Hindus. So it is ironical to see this show have a policy of not showing Muslims as terrorists while at the same time castigating us. It would have been perfectly fine if they had incorporated a scene of Hindutva extremists creating trouble in India (eg Slumdog Millionaire) because that has a precedent. This plot however is incredulous with mala fide intention. If tomorrow there is an Indian TV show with the premise of Filipino people running a prostitution/child abuse racket in Jhumritalaiyya I would rebuke it as well. Now add in the Pakistan factor, how can you expect us to take it easy when the entire narrative of Indo-Pak dynamics is shown so dishonestly for a global audience? Many foreigners are unaware of Indo-Pak relations or the Kashmir issue (doesn't get a lot of media coverage like West Asia or Korean peninsula), they rely on media entertainment to get a rough picture. This is bad PR for us...I won't be surprised if such scenes are used by certain vested groups to brainwash their cadre against India. It is a documented fact that LeT/ISI uses Bollywood movies to brainwash terror recruits into hating India/Hindus. I agree Indians are touchy but this time they are touchy for a valid reason...this is totally different to SRT-Sharapova or Snapchat cases. Those were frivolous exercises, this event however warrants some discontent among well meaning Indians. 10 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Ever heard what happened to James Cavaziel (sp?) ? He is the guy who played Jesus in Mel Gibson's 'Passion for Christ'. And he is a religious Christian guy, who refused to do a movie where he had to pose rear-end nude in one of the scenes (butt-shot) and refused the part due to his religious leanings. Hasn't made a movie since and was blackballed. Using religion to not do your job is a universal career-stunting move but its a career-killer in Hollywood. Priyanka Chopra isn't a dumb girl who is stupid enough to use some religious sentimentality to refuse a part and nuke her own career. If Hollywood can make legions of movies about crazy crackpot Christians going on murderous sprees or being evil ( Kingdom of Heaven comes to mind - where Christians are made out to be the biggest villains of the crusades), they certainly are not going to be 'sensetive' towards Hindu sentiments. This isn't just a case of religious sentimentality, it is an assault on her country. She made it to Hollywood because of her work in India. In spite of her Hollywood work, majority of her $$, fame is courtesy India. She may very well choose to settle there and continue to lambast her roots but shouldn't expect a bed of roses from Indians. Let Americans and Muslims lap her up. She deserves criticism but knowing Indians this will pass over in a couple of weeks and we will start loving/obsessing over her once again....that is our basic nature. Again crazy crackpot Chistians going on murderous sprees has precedent just like Hindu babas assuming power and subverting the system/causing violence/rape etc in India. How are those movies (eg Seven) any different from ours showing babas in poor light? To a great extent Christians did many wrong things over the centuries including in the Crusades...what's wrong in showing things as they were? They did far worse in the medieval ages, wiping out native populations and carrying out inquisitions in various parts of the world. How are such movies any different from ours showing Khilji as a bloodthirsty savage, lower castes being subjugated/mistreated or Ashoka as a fratricidal maniac cum war monger in his early years? 4 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Nobody watches Qauntico in India and its not generating any news in North America. So nobody cares. Its a bit like how the movie 300 was officially banned by Iran and they lodged a protest over it, but nobody in the western media cared or complained. So if this was a move for publicity, it was a pretty poor one - those who watch it dont care and those who dont watch it, are all upset by it. Western world may not care, doesn't mean the aggrieved parties shouldn't protest or raise a hue and cry. It is not like we are threatening large scale violence in retaliation a la Charlie Hebdo saga. We are condemning this on social media, giving it coverage in news channels, raising a few slogans on the streets, that's all. American people can't dictate to us how we should react to their transgressions, we are a sovereign country, we'll do as we please without resorting to violence. Also since Indians (both home and overseas) are a formidable target audience at least for this show, our protests won't fall on deaf ears and market sentiment will take its own course. If the show didn't need us the makers wouldn't have tendered apologies....we aren't Muslims who go on a stabbing spree every time our sentiments are offended. Regarding 300 I applaud Iran's decision. That movie was specially made to denigrate Persian/Oriental culture and insult Persian heroes. Look what they did to a legendary ruler like Xerxes !!! It was a naked attempt by the racists to show their culture as superior and I am fine if that is what their audience longs for. But Iranians have no obligation to co operate and accept their history shown in poor light. They banned it, protested, did what they felt was right and have my sympathies. At least they didn't go on a terror spree and as long as that remains the case I am happy. When 'The Da Vinci Code' was released many Christians even in the wonderful tolerant West protested vigorously and issued threats to the writer/makers, don't see how that is any different. In fact I would say we have been more measured in our outrage, no death threats to Ms Chopra. Just pointing out that while you may call Indians touchy, many Western people too got touchy over certain works of fiction. Edited June 10, 2018 by Gollum grammar, spelling UrmiSinhaRay, AmreekanDesi, DHONI_FANN and 5 others 2 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollack Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 Policy of not depicting Muslim as terrorists and hence trying to create a plot by depicting another religion as terrorist is absurd and defeats the whole point of not stereotyping a particular faith. They are just trying to create a new stereotype. asterix, DHONI_FANN, UrmiSinhaRay and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Clarke said: Many (sizeable number) people in our part of the world aren't mature enough to distinguish fact from fiction e.g. Padmavat. The hard impact is also seen in the whatsapp forwards and the rumour related killings across the country. It was not like this in the past. In past, there was much more tolerance present. The tolerance is disappearing with the rise of extremist right wing tendencies. Tthey are making non-Issues into the National Crises. DHONI_FANN 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted June 10, 2018 Author Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, diga said: wasnt there some controversy involving her grand mother & the church's refusal to bury her? Priyanka is part christian One of her grandmas was a practising Syrian Christian from Kerala. Since she had married a Hindu, she wasn't allowed to be buried in the cemetery of her home parish along with her ancestors. Tolerance ki maa ki.... Anyway I don't think PC's religion has anything to do with this, Bollywood corrupts all irrespective of caste, creed, colour, gender, race, religion. Quote the reason of protests by Indians (especially RW) is because of a history...PC and her brother Uday Chopda has been critical of Modi Govt, Hindu RW and generally seen as the Liberal gang members giving political statements... @asterix Priyanka is not related to Uday Chopra. Uday Chopra & Aditya are the sons of Yash Chopra, part of a famous and powerful Bollywood dynasty. PC is not from a filmi family, both her parents were physicians in the Indian Army. Edited June 10, 2018 by Gollum UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 [mention=8115]asterix[/mention] Priyanka is not related to Uday Chopra. Uday Chopra & Aditya are the sons of Yash Chopra, part of a famous and powerful Bollywood dynasty. PC is not from a filmi family, both her parents were physicians in the Indian Army.I stand corrected... These Chopdas & Kapurs of Bollywood have gone full librandu, maybe because of their roots in Pak pre-partition (hence soft corner) or complete money minded, wont even mind dealing with underworld to make money... Gollum, Switchblade and UrmiSinhaRay 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 BTW I didn’t knew that the Quantico production has a policy to not show Islamic Terrorists or terrorism...Wow! Just Wow! And here people are sermonising about Indians/Hindus being touchy... UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted June 10, 2018 Share Posted June 10, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Ever heard what happened to James Cavaziel (sp?) ? He is the guy who played Jesus in Mel Gibson's 'Passion for Christ'. And he is a religious Christian guy, who refused to do a movie where he had to pose rear-end nude in one of the scenes (butt-shot) and refused the part due to his religious leanings. Hasn't made a movie since and was blackballed. Using religion to not do your job is a universal career-stunting move but its a career-killer in Hollywood. Priyanka Chopra isn't a dumb girl who is stupid enough to use some religious sentimentality to refuse a part and nuke her own career. If Hollywood can make legions of movies about crazy crackpot Christians going on murderous sprees or being evil ( Kingdom of Heaven comes to mind - where Christians are made out to be the biggest villains of the crusades), they certainly are not going to be 'sensetive' towards Hindu sentiments. Killing and terrorism are two absolutely different things. Never heard people talking about Christian terrorism. But Hindu terrorism, people are doing everything to prove that it exists. Edited June 10, 2018 by rkt.india dial_100, asterix, Peshust and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted June 10, 2018 Author Share Posted June 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Clarke said: Many (sizeable number) people in our part of the world aren't mature enough to distinguish fact from fiction e.g. Padmavat. The hard impact is also seen in the whatsapp forwards and the rumour related killings across the country. As it is often said "dont sweat the small stuff", ignore the run of the mill tv show/movie. Focus on your task at hand which creates a real impression of Indian Hindus in the society/world around you. I agree Padmavati controversy was stupid and also nefarious in design because of bypolls in Rajasthan that time. WA forwards, cow lynchings, rumor killings all worthy of contempt agree. But this one is different which aims to distort the country's image vis-a-vis the hostile neighbor. I am aghast at many developments in India in the last decade or so, there is rising mistrust/hate/intolerance/division/treachery/terror/violence etc in Indian society and all parties and sections of society are involved in the mess. Having said that this issue is rightly being highlighted, I agree with the general sentiment of offended Indians (and most ICFers) the way things have unfolded here. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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