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4 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

1. I have watched hundreds of movies and series where Muslims all over the world played terrorist role. 

And this terrorism was not limited only to the non-state actors, but also the Islamic governments and their agencies were directly involved in the terrorism. 

And all this is allowed in name of Fantasy Story of the film. 

Thing is Islamic terrorism or Islamic governments/agencies involved in terror are not exactly fantasies. They are real, as real as can possibly be...state of the world today is proof of the damage caused by radical Islamic terror and it has touched most corners of the world. As harsh as I may sound it is like showing the mirror rather than fantasizing when Muslims are shown as terrorists. Hindutva extremists have done evil things in India but never taken their activities to USA or France. Hindutva extremism is not just small in scale but also extremely localized. Even in India there are large portions (eg South India, North East, Punjab etc) which are 100% untouched by Hindutva inspired violence. There is no international network among even the most violent and committed Hindutva elements. Another thing if Hindus are murdered/oppressed in Pakistan or Germany you won't find a Hindu suicide bomber extracting revenge in the name of Ram/Shiva in Toronto or London.....can't say the same about Muslims.

2. And this this is not only limited to the Muslim terrorists and Muslim States. 

But hollywood made hundreds of movies where Russia or South American countries were involved in the terrorism. Again both individual non-state terrorists and also the government and the agencies. 

And all this is allowed in the name of the Fantasy story of the film. 

Cold War? There was a period when both Americans and Russians with great zeal demonized each other via media. In fact even today USA and Russia share frosty relations. No surprise Russians are villains in many movies, all part of American/Hollywood propaganda to demonize the enemy. I can assure you that even Russians do the same in their movies. South American countries too in the minds of many Americans are trouble makers. Illegal immigration, drug cartels, gang violence, demographic explosion etc are some of the things they have brought with them to American soil. Again South American gangs involved in violence on US soil is hardly out of the blue. Also remember many of their governments are left leaning and politically bitter opponents of US government, so that's an additional layer of complexity that manifests itself in movies. Indians are hardly known for being troublemakers there, GOI/RAW are not threats to USA, Indian Army and US Army conduct many military exercises together...there is also lots of people to people and cultural exchanges between the 2 countries. 

3. And this is not only limited to the Muslims and Russian Block, but hollywood showed hundreds of movies where  the terrorists are Americans themselves. Perhaps the numbers of movies with CIA as terrorists is more than the movies with Muslims as terrorists. For sure their numbers far exceed of the films where Russians are the terrorists. 

Not only non-state Americans, but the Government and CIA playing even worst role than the Muslim terrorists. 

And all this is allowed in name of the Fantasy Story of the film. 

I am not sure whether there are more movies with CIA members as terrorists compared to other groups, but will take your word on it. But this is the case even in India. There are many movies where members of Indian Army, IB, RAW, Police etc are shown as the villains. Even in recent times movies like Main Hoon Na, Madras Cafe, Kahaani etc featured our armymen/RAW officers as the main antagonists and all these movies were super hits. The concept of aggrieved officer or evil genius changing sides is a tried and tested formula in movies.

 

4. And in Qauntico, it is not even the Indian government, but there are some private non-state actors who are involved in this act. 

Which is infeasible because Indians, more specifically Hindus have never carried out any such activity on foreign soil.

 

Therefore, please don't take it so seriously. It is normal in the film industry. 

 

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2 hours ago, asterix said:

[mention=5943]Alam_dar[/mention] the reason of protests by Indians (especially RW) is because of a history...PC and her brother Uday Chopda has been critical of Modi Govt, Hindu RW and generally seen as the Liberal gang members giving political statements...

This seems to be one of the major reason. 

 

It is like the right wing always have the "Monopoly" upon the 'Nationalism', while all the left in every country are traitors. 

 

We have even bigger such war in Pakistan, where all the state Institutions, and even the Media has been taken by the right, and thus almost no equal Human Rights. 

 

I fear that Indian society has also been polarized to such extent, where labelling the left as traitors and then targeting them (even extrajudicially) is going to become a norm. 

 

2 hours ago, asterix said:

Many Indians joined (who are on social media) in because the plot was incredulous even if fictitious. An Indian “Hindu” terrorists trying to jeopardise Indo-Pak peace talks in USA by trying to explode a nuclear device and blame it on Islamic terrorists. He gets identified by Pork Chops as he was wearing a “Rudraksh” wrist band (So portraying that it was not only an Indian, it as an Indian Hindu trying to be terrorist to blame innocent Pakistani Muslim)... Stereo typing that Indians are Hindus only.

In films, it is always some "individual" who is going to be portrayed as a terrorist. It never means that  the whole community (to whom he belongs to) has become a terrorist. It is not a stereo typing. 

 

Ask anyone in the West who is watching this Drama, and he will tell you the same that it does not mean that the whole Hindu community has become a terrorist. 

 

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You can protray Indians/Hindus as drugs dealer, bad guys etc (Anil Kapur, Irrfan Khan etc), has anybody protested eveg?

 

There is nothing problem if any "individual Indian Hindu" is presented as a terrorist.

 

It is only a fiction, in which even the gods have been shown as villains. 

 

2 hours ago, asterix said:

And there’s a history there... The Mumbai massacre Pak Terrorists were wearing saffron coloured wristbands etc to portray themselves as Hindu terrorists... Many politicians and activists were convinced that they were Hindu Rightwing Terrorists trying to portray Pakistan in bad light... the rest is history...

This seems to be the another major reason due to which Indians are showing sensitiveness to this. 

 

But world does not end at Mambai attack. It is better to learn a lesson from Mumbai attack and does not link the fantasy world of the movies to it. 

 

2 hours ago, asterix said:

It’s the portrayal of Hindu Terrorist which created issues because there are no Hindu Terrorist abroad... there could be some in India... but not abroad. Indians take immense pride in not creating mass casualty like situation abroad.. if some low esteem so called Indians (and there’s a reason why they are called librandus) don’t find it odd that’s their problem, not majority of Indians...

I would beg to differ. 

 

Humans are all alike, irrespective of which religion or race or nationality they belong. 

 

If someone has become an Extremist, then he will do everything to harm the others, whom he hates. By killing directly, or harming indirectly by conspiring  or blaming wrongfully .... It is a human Nature which is universal and no Hindu is above this Human Nature. 

 

 

 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Thing is Islamic terrorism or Islamic governments/agencies involved in terror are not exactly fantasies. They are real, as real as can possibly be...state of the world today is proof of the damage caused by radical Islamic terror and it has touched most corners of the world. As harsh as I may sound it is like showing the mirror rather than fantasizing when Muslims are shown as terrorists. Hindutva extremists have done evil things in India but never taken their activities to USA or France. Hindutva extremism is not just small in scale but also extremely localized. Even in India there are large portions (eg South India, North East, Punjab etc) which are 100% untouched by Hindutva inspired violence. There is no international network among even the most violent and committed Hindutva elements. Another thing if Hindus are murdered/oppressed in Pakistan or Germany you won't find a Hindu suicide bomber extracting revenge in the name of Ram/Shiva in Toronto or London.....can't say the same about Muslims.

There have been no men to the other galaxies. But still Hollywood shows Star Track where humans are travelling in the other galaxies. 

This is knows as "imagination" and "fitction" i.e. to show such things which are not "REAL" but could still happen, at least in the imagination. 

 

Moreover, please note that there was no al-Qaida/ISIS present in the West till 1980. What to talk about the West, they were not even present in the Islamic countries. But then we suddenly saw a whole wave of Muslim extremism. 

 

And we didn't have mob lynching incidents in India till recently, but now we are watching a wave of it. 

 

The right wing extremists like gau rakshaks are not following the original Dharmic Hindu Religion. 

 

Actually, there is no religion of extremists, but extremism is in itself a religion. 

 

 

16 minutes ago, Gollum said:

 I am not sure whether there are more movies with CIA members as terrorists compared to other groups, but will take your word on it. But this is the case even in India. There are many movies where members of Indian Army, IB, RAW, Police etc are shown as the villains. Even in recent times movies like Main Hoon Na, Madras Cafe, Kahaani etc featured our armymen/RAW officers as the main antagonists and all these movies were super hits. The concept of aggrieved officer or evil genius changing sides is a tried and tested formula in movies.

Exactly. 

'Nationalist Extremism' compelled the 'Genius' to become EVIL.

'Religious Extremism' will also compel the genius to become EVIL too (sooner or later). It is a proven and tested formula. 

It would be a mistake to think that such extremism would stay within the borders. If we let our imagination fly free, then plot of Qauntico is nothing unusual. 

 

I know Indians are touchy at moment due to Pakistan, Muslims and Mumbai attack. But as I said, learn a lesson, and then stop living in the Past. 

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[mention=5943]Alam_dar[/mention] The RW now catching up with the Pseudo Liberals... you can be sad but for years these Left Liberals peddled their own agendas. Is hamaam mein sab nange Hain. Nobody’s holy cow now..

 

Hindus have only one country of theirs and slowly realising that if they don’t protect themselves, these left Liberals and minorities are going to take away whatever they have. You can be as much sad as possible. But ask any Muslims in India, there’s no country like India for minorities... Even Rohingiyas will prefer to move to India than to any other Muslim countries...

 

Hindus have mostly been tolerant and may be impotent... Not any more. You cannot keep on screwing them in their own country, even after Partition. The partition was done on religious basis and the founding fathers of India, in their immense wisdom, without any referendum, declared India as a “secular” country, thus screwing the Hindus for their life time...

 

There are no holy grails. These same liberals do candle light march on streets on selective issues. The same liberals go hiding on other incident when Hindus are killed. Be it Kerala. WB, Kashmiri Pundits or Karnataka... people have started to see through these left liberals agendas thanks to social media now...

 

No point blaming RW for them being active so late now where are the Left Liberals has free run for decades...

 

So cry or be sad as much as you like because Hindus have only one country of their own... Muslims on the other hand don’t recognise countries or borders...

 

Leave Hindus to fend themselves. Yes they are not perfect like Muslims or Christians but they are not worse...

 

The least I say about Left Liberals Of Pakistan the better. I’ve never heard of them. They don’t exist. Even if they do exist they are cowards or maybe religious than their counterparts from other countries...

 

Let Pakistanis show something on Liberalism first then Pakistanis coming and fretting over India or Hindu RWs...

 

Whether Indians living in past or not, they are doing fine.

 

The major cause of worry is Pakistan and the state of minorities there... They need to grow up and show the World what they can do instead of worrying about Indians living in past...

 

 

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32 minutes ago, asterix said:

@Alam_dar The RW now catching up with the Pseudo Liberals... you can be sad but for years these Left Liberals peddled their own agendas. Is hamaam mein sab nange Hain. Nobody’s holy cow now..

Hindus have only one country of theirs and slowly realising that if they don’t protect themselves, these left Liberals and minorities are going to take away whatever they have. You can be as much sad as possible. But ask any Muslims in India, there’s no country like India for minorities... Even Rohingiyas will prefer to move to India than to any other Muslim countries...

Hindus have mostly been tolerant and may be impotent... Not any more. You cannot keep on screwing them in their own country, even after Partition. The partition was done on religious basis and the founding fathers of India, in their immense wisdom, without any referendum, declared India as a “secular” country, thus screwing the Hindus fie their life time...

There are no holy grails. These same liberals do candle light march on streets on selective issues. The same liberals go hiding on other incident when Hindus are killed. Be it Kerala. WB, Kashmiri Pundits or Karnataka... people have started to see through these left liberals agendas thanks to social media now...

No point blaming RW for them being active so late now where are the Left Liberals has free run for decades...

 

I understand the concerns fully. 

 

I am fully aware of the dangers of Islam and Extremist Muslims. 

 

But in my very honest opinion, for best results it should be "whole Humanity UNITED" against the Extremist Islam,  irrespective of one being Hindu, Muslim (moderate), Sikh, Christian, Dalit, Secularists. 

 

BJP should leave the right wing leaning and come to the CENTRE. It should create the ability of accommodate ALL elements under it's wings. Otherwise there will be internal fight among all the Non-Muslim forces, and only the Mullah is going to benefit himself from it. 

 

Muslims were not considered such a big threat till recently. Not only the Indian Secularists, but even the European Secularists were unable to imagine the scale of extremism among the Muslims. 

 

Surely every one learns with time. Indian Liberals would have also learnt the lesson sooner or later.

 

Muslims are not the relatives of Liberals that they love them more than other religions and people. Liberals in India and West tried to help Muslims only in name of "Humanity", but if they see that Muslims are themselves becoming danger to this "humanity", then for sure they are going to react strongly against the Muslims. 

 

It may be that Liberals had made a mistake. But labelling them "Traitor" to India, and slaves of Muslims etc. is only contra productive and not a wise thing to do. 

 

 

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^ You’ve issues with BJP? It’s not even a RW party... God forbid what you’ll do if actual RW party comes to power in India...

BJP is a sham RW party. It can’t even protect its own cadres getting killed on a large scale...

Yes they’re were incidents of lynching but if you compare they’re far more violence against black, minorities & gun shootings, police killings of innocents in USA...

BJP’s reign has has largely been peaceful. Maybe you’re not aware of the multiple riots under Congress regimes in past...

If you keep on demonising a sham RW party like BJP, be prepared for an actual RW party in the future...

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17 minutes ago, asterix said:

^ You’ve issues with BJP? It’s not even a RW party... God forbid what you’ll do if actual RW party comes to power in India...

BJP is a sham RW party. It can’t even protect its own cadres getting killed on a large scale...

Yes they’re were incidents of lynching but if you compare they’re far more violence against black, minorities & gun shootings, police killings of innocents in USA...

BJP’s reign has has largely been peaceful. Maybe you’re not aware of the multiple riots under Congress regimes in past...

If you keep on demonising a sham RW party like BJP, be prepared for an actual RW party in the future...

Only people living in India know what BJP really is. It's the international media which gives BJP a fascist image.

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Some times the lesson is learnt the  hard way.  

 

The "hidden silent Mullahs are some times much more dangerous than the "open extremist Mullahs".

 

Open Mullahs were always hated in Pakistan, and no one listen to them. 

 

But these were the silent hidden Mullahs who first infiltrated in all the state organisations in Pakistan. They played the major role in turning big Pakistani Population into Islamic ideological population. 

 

There is hardly any chance that RSS could ever come to Power. Even if it comes, then whole world will turn against it. RSS government is somewhat similar to Taliban government, and whole world will turn against RSS government just all were against Taliban. 

 

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What is the difference between BJP and RSS?

 

My observation may be wrong, but at moment I feel the difference is only in the "Tactics" to attain the "similar target". 

 

Their target is the same i.e. creation of a Hindu State, where minorities don't have the equal rights as Hindus. While RSS preach for open violence in order to achieve this task, but BJP uses hidden tactics like politics in order to attain the similar task. 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, MechEng said:

Only people living in India know what BJP really is. It's the international media which gives BJP a fascist image.

 

Again, I may be wrong, but it seems that even the Indian Liberals and the Indian minorities have the same image of BJP. 

 

It is not that all BJP supporters are like this. BJP seems to have support of different kind of groups. There is also a group of Indian youth who only want to see progress and corruption free India. They don't have to do much in the creation of a Hindu State. But surely there are elements in BJP who have 100% similar intentions like RSS. 

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^ You are wrong in your assessments.

 

Also you don’t know much about BJP & RSS...

 

BJP is the political wing of RSS...

 

If BJP is in power, it means RSS is in power...

 

When I say BJP is not a proper RW party, also mean to say RSS is not a proper RW organisation...

 

Hopefully in future a proper RW party comes in power. The sooner the better...

 

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Don't care. American movies have crime movies about all  nationals, religions.  More we make noise more it will get attention. Remember the appu character in simpson. Many never heard of it until Hari kondebelu or whatever made a big deal about of it.  They have been making movies about muslims plotting against USA for more than 5 decades. 

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20 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

meh, its just a tv show. I've noticed that Indians have a reputation to the rest of the world as 'being touchy'....and this confirms it. 

As for not respecting culture and blahblah - hollywood has made countless movies about rogue terrorist 'agent gone bad' from amidst their own. 
Nobody bats an eyelash when its a former CIA-agent-turned-mass-murderer-hell-bent-on-insanity or some bible-thumping serial killer like Seven.....

And here we have people going 'revoke her citizenship'....LOL. 

 

Yes you are right there are movies like "the rock" etc.. which have a core plot of a psycho patriot/traitor hurting their own nation. But, at the end of the day this narrative has a precedence in the real world too. During the cold war many of the cia agents went rogue and have given away secrets to the enemy. No one minds if there is a pretence of reality to a plot of a TV show or a movie.

 

But, just imagine if a hollywood movie starring Jennifer Lawrence is made wherein Osama bin Laden did not bomb the twin towers but the democrats did inorder to make George Bush look like a complete ass. I think their critics and political commentators will have a field day ripping this film apart. The movie will not be banned unlike in a third world country like India. But it will be humiliated and mocked to no end for trying to "mainstream false narrative using conspiracy theories".

 

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SRK made a movie called main hoon Na, where an Indian army person Sunil Shetty goes around causing violence and not letting Indians and Pakistanis live in peace. First of all it is the ISI and the Pak army who do that. The moment the Indian and Pakistani PM's meet for talks, they bomb the borders or cause havoc with their sleepers cells in India. Never the Indian army. But still Indian people kept quiet because we all know that Indian bureaucracy is corrupted and with a heavy heart we had to let that plot point in the movie go without causing much scene.

 

But what the * is this about Hindus trying malign Pakistanis by causing fake terror encounters??

 

This is plain wrong.

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