Nikhil_cric Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Just play 5 bowlers, Pant and 5 batsmen. What is this obsession for allrounders in LOI cricket? This is not 1999. Allrounders have to make it to the team on bowling merit alone. Any hitting ability they possess is a bonus. Never substitute specialists with bits n pieces cricketers masquerading as allrounders. That's a recipe for disaster. UrmiSinhaRay, Stan AF and putrevus 1 2 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Agree Kapil, Bothm, Sobers, Imran, Kallis, Klusner did not exist. They were just our fantasies. Switchblade, UrmiSinhaRay, zen and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
putrevus Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Agree Kapil, Bothm, Sobers, Imran, Kallis, Klusner did not exist. They were just our fantasies. Other than Klusner all of them walked into their teams as either batsman or bowler. The secondary skill is not that important if primary skill is not good enough. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, putrevus said: Other than Klusner all of them walked into their teams as either batsman or bowler. The secondary skill is not that important if primary skill is not good enough. Krunal and Hardik both will walk into our T20 team as batsmen. Hardik even in ODIs as he showed his batting ability once he got to bat up the order being MOS, winning games against Aus and then you dont need just specialist batsmen or a specialist bowler at #7. Also, OP says alrounders dont exist while they do. The names i wrote were alrounders. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Krunal and Hardik both will walk into our T20 team as batsmen. Hardik even in ODIs as he showed his batting ability once he got to bat up the order being MOS, winning games against Aus and then you dont need just specialist batsmen or a specialist bowler at #7. Also, OP says alrounders dont exist while they do. The names i wrote were alrounders. How will they walk into Indian team as batsmen. They are not better than top 4 , nor they are not better than DK. Hardik plays in the team becuase he can bowl, if he cannot bowl he is no use for the team. Switchblade and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 2 hours ago, putrevus said: You had Sehwag, Sachin and Yuvi who would role their arms very well and Ganguly also could do his bit.Raina was another guy who could do 5 or 6 overs in sub continent. pre 2011 WC u cud also keep 5 fielder oustide circle post PP Now u can only have 4 till 40th over which made life tough for part timers Straight Drive and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said: Just play 5 bowlers, Pant and 5 batsmen. What is this obsession for allrounders in LOI cricket? This is not 1999. Allrounders have to make it to the team on bowling merit alone. Any hitting ability they possess is a bonus. Never substitute specialists with bits n pieces cricketers masquerading as allrounders. That's a recipe for disaster. do u see any team using that ?? No na coz it doesnt work UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Cricketics said: What surprises me is that sfter watching so much t20 cricket in last 5-10 years, people still have audacity to come firing over a young player who got whipped when they have seen best of the best bowlers getting their @ss handed to them int his t20 format. Be it any top bowler in the world. Yes Krunal won’t be a great bowler, might not even turn up as one, but for now he is being tried because he is a batsman who can bowl as he has done so for Bombay in IPL. Now if we don’t try such guys then who yiu want? Same some odnyou will come and say that captain is “jealous of players who perform in IPL” or things like “youngsters are not being tried enough by current management”. Let it go for a second. His first outing in Aus. He bowled shyt, and thats fine. We need to move on. Can’t be criticizing him for that. Its t20. Xactly The problem is startegy of going with only 5 bowler not that players ......give the some cushion UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Khota said: The only agenda is that best 11 should play for India and then I dont care about win or loss. Very noble agenda. what is the best XI dnt say 6 batsman 5 bowler....coz thats a combination. M asking whats the best XI UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said: pre 2011 WC u cud also keep 5 fielder oustide circle post PP Now u can only have 4 till 40th over which made life tough for part timers It does not matter how many fielders you can have or cannot have , it is the ability of the batsmen who can roll their arms is missing. Today was perfect example, they needed couple of overs from someone else but nobody was there. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, putrevus said: It does not matter how many fielders you can have or cannot have , it is the ability of the batsmen who can roll their arms is missing. Today was perfect example, they needed couple of overs from someone else but nobody was there. hving that extra fielder was a huge help to part timers that is why al of sudden yuvraj was being less used post 2011 that extra fielder made using part timers easy rohit n kohli cant roll their arm over....but it isnt that easy asit said zen and UrmiSinhaRay 1 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: hving that extra fielder was a huge help to part timers that is why al of sudden yuvraj was being less used post 2011 that extra fielder made using part timers easy rohit n kohli cant roll their arm over....but it isnt that easy asit said Jadhav is bowling in these conditions, Sehwag was far better bowler than Jadhav,Yuvi also had moments. Ability to roll few overs at the time crisis is missing , no Rohit and kohli are not international class bowlers.Kohli is noone else to turn to he was totally handcuffed even though Pandya was bowling crap. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 1 minute ago, putrevus said: Jadhav is bowling in these conditions, Sehwag was far better bowler than Jadhav, Jadhav bowling is working due to its uniqueness n also he is smartly using it Its test wud be when ppl figure it out soon which soon will happen 1 minute ago, putrevus said: Yuvi also had moments. Till 2011 Wc 1 minute ago, putrevus said: Ability to roll few overs at the time crisis is missing , no Rohit and kohli are not international class bowlers.Kohli is noone else to turn to he was totally handcuffed even though Pandya was bowling crap. Now its not easy for part timers thats my point That will happen till the time we only play 5 bowlers ....always have a 6th bowler in LOI and 5th in test Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 3 hours ago, putrevus said: The problem with this era of Indian batsmen is none of them can bowl and that is creating such a imbalance. You cannot expect Pandya to bowl 4 overs and expect good things from them on these pitches. He might work in subcontinent but not in Australia. You had Sehwag, Sachin and Yuvi who would role their arms very well and Ganguly also could do his bit.Raina was another guy who could do 5 or 6 overs in sub continent. Very true.The overs that Sehwag,Sachin,Yuvi,Shastri,Raina and Sourav have bowled were significant in balancing the playing 11.Watching Shastri bat in ODI was a pain though apart from Benson and Hedges cup. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: Jadhav bowling is working due to its uniqueness n also he is smartly using it Its test wud be when ppl figure it out soon which soon will happen Till 2011 Wc Now its not easy for part timers thats my point That will happen till the time we only play 5 bowlers ....always have a 6th bowler in LOI and 5th in test Role of part timer is to fill in when one of your main bowlers is having bad day , and those guys were perfectly capable of doing it. They were better bowlers than Krunal Pandya who bowled 4 full overs. For this Indian team bits and pieces players like Pandya will not work as they don't have any batsmen like England who can bowl.Pandya is playing as fifth bowler, if you think Krunal should not play as fifth bowler and Chahal should play,who is getting dropped??? Edited November 21, 2018 by putrevus UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 1 minute ago, putrevus said: Role of part timer is to fill in when one of your main bowlers is having bad day , and those guys were perfectly capable of doing it. They were better bowlers than Krunal Pandya who bowled 4 full overs. Who were better bowler then Krunal??? 1 minute ago, putrevus said: For this Indian bits and pieces players like Pandya will not work as they don't have any batsmen like England who can bowl.Pandya is playing as fifth bowler, if you Krunal should not play as fifth bowler and Chahal should play,who is getting dropped??? Ill drop one of the batsman next game most probably pant to have someone like sundar ( he can bat ) Bits n pieces is the only way as of now , 5 bowler alone is a bad startegy anyways ....6 bowlers is must and fix the batting order....kohli shud bat at 3 Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 38 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: pre 2011 WC u cud also keep 5 fielder oustide circle post PP Now u can only have 4 till 40th over which made life tough for part timers Good post. Dhoni was the one who cribbed a lot after this rule change because it did affect a lot. UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Just now, Straight Drive said: Good post. Dhoni was the one who cribbed a lot after this rule change because it did affect a lot. yes n specifically spoke regd yuvraj that how he cannot use him anymore due to field change he used him against umar n maxwell in t20 coz their he had 5 fielders UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
zen Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 5th-6th bowlers are usually targeted by the other team esp on batting friendly surfaces .... Teams playing handy cricketers take that in to account. Appears as if some folks just discovered that 5th-6th bowlers go for runs On paper, a specialist will look better. For e.g., Rahane could be a better batsman than a handy cricketer / AR. While Thakur / Kaul / Jadeja could be better bowlers on paper than a handy cricketer / AR. But you would pick players to balance the team. Saying that a specialist batsman or bowler is better does not mean that they lend adequate balance to the 11 Considering that our WKs bat too and therefore serve as handy cricketers/ AR, we need the 4 specialists batsmen + 3 ARs + 4 specialist bowlers to provide adequate breath and depth to the playing 11 UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted November 21, 2018 Share Posted November 21, 2018 Just now, zen said: 5th-6th bowlers are usually targeted by the other team esp on batting friendly surfaces .... Teams playing handy cricketers take that in to account. Appears as if some folks just discovered that 5th-6th bowlers go for runs On paper, a specialist will look better. For e.g., Rahane could be a better batsman than a handy cricketer / AR. While Thakur / Kaul / Jadeja could be better bowlers on paper than a handy cricketer / AR. But you would pick players to balance the team. Saying that a specialist batsman or bowler is better does not mean that they lend adequate balance to the 11 Actually on paper also someone like rahane cannot look better then hardik or krunal at 7......even its not meant for guys like shaw Coz that is also a specialist role of hitter which ppl look so down upon..... Look at our history of gr8 batsman yet when it comes to lower order cnt think beyond yuvi n dhoni and yuvi also became a legend batting at 4 .... UrmiSinhaRay 1 Link to comment
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