flamy Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, mishra said: No, its not faking. He went through his action and then got him out. If Butler knew ball hasn’t been bowled, why did he leave the popping crease. He was obviously cheating Problem is with the wording of the rule - expected to have released the ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 minute ago, mishra said: Wth are you on. Ashwins arm hasn’t even gone over his shoulder and butler was outside his crease No that was ashwin stopping midway,leaning towards the stumps and waiting for butler to step out. He then took of the bails. That was a set up ...not mankading . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowl_out Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 1 minute ago, mishra said: Wth are you on. Ashwins arm hasn’t even gone over his shoulder and butler was outside his crease Ashwin had no intention of releasing the ball.. He stopped his run up even before Buttler was outside his crease, almost waiting for him to walk out and run him out... Don't tell me you can't see the difference between Ashwin's appeal against Thirimanne vs this one flamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, bowl_out said: Yeah, Buttler was strolling out of his crease?? Somebody show Ashwin this picture when he bad mouths the batsman of taking unfair advantage the next time. Ashwin could be booed in some of the games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamy Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, Global.Baba said: Mankanding is fair. It’s also the new rule. No sportsman spirit,gentleman’s game bs needed. T20 is already heavily in batsman’s favor. So this should be a part of it. however watching the video of Ashwin’s mankading that was a bit too much. Anyways it was the umpires fault for ruling that out. He is the biggest idiot here. But Baba, you are the one who speaks of spirit all the time. OpeningBatsman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adi BB Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, mishra said: Which bit is wrong? Rules clearly say to stay within the crease. If you've played cricket you'd know it's imperative to gain a momentum while standing in the non strikers end ,one way or the other you tend to take a small (even if it's in inches ) headstart when the bowler delivers his action ,If every bowler (especially spinners) start doing this you'll immediately see a change in the rule because half of the batsmen in a team will be run out in this fashion . Anyway ,if you look at the video closely ,butler wasn't even advancing down ,ashwin completed his action and he had no right to run him out after completing his action ,either do it in the flow or dont! Third umpire should have given it not out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R!TTER Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) Once again, if you aren't biased you'll see what Ashwin was trying to do here - http://streamable.com/ny3r1 Edited March 25, 2019 by R!TTER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNAmarkFromIndia Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Damn. How shameful can the guy be to effect a perfectly legal dismissal within the laws of the game. Next time, batsmen should ask the bowler to reverse his appeal when given out lbw. flamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Just now, zen said: Ashwin could be booed in some of the games He should be and would love to see him getting the same treatment..... Ashwin better be careful at the nonstriker end. zen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Global.Baba Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Just now, flamy said: But Baba, you are the one who speaks of spirit all the time. Different spirit Under_Score 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, flamy said: Problem is with the wording of the rule - expected to have released the ball 1 minute ago, bowl_out said: Ashwin had no intention of releasing the ball.. He stopped his run up even before Buttler was outside his crease, almost waiting for him to walk out and run him out... Don't tell me you can't see the difference between Ashwin's appeal against Thirimanne vs this one Why should he. If Butler wouldn’t have mooved out of crease, Then i would call it Ashwins fault. The fact that Butler went out of crease clearly means Ashwin is correct and Butler is cheating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, bowl_out said: Yeah, Buttler was strolling out of his crease?? Somebody show Ashwin this picture when he bad mouths the batsman of taking unfair advantage the next time. Bowler appealed. This frame was available to 3rd umpire I am guessing, who then pressed the red button. So how is it the bowler's fault? Umpires always carry the ICC rule book with them, they had to take the final call after referencing the para in question. So tomorrow if an umpire gives a blaring howler against the batsman will you call the bowler a cheat for appealing? express bowling, flamy and AuxiliA 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamy Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, mishra said: No, its not faking. He went through his action and then got him out. If Butler knew ball hasn’t been bowled, why did he leave the popping crease. He was obviously cheating It is not about Ashwin or Buttler. Why didn't the umpire call it a dead ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R!TTER Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 Just now, Global.Baba said: Different spirit Does your body house 2 spirits, or multiple spirits depending on what you had last night Under_Score and Global.Baba 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Adi BB said: If you've played cricket you'd know it's imperative to gain a momentum while standing in the non strikers end ,one way or the other you tend to take a small (even if it's in inches ) headstart when the bowler delivers his action ,If every bowler (especially spinners) start doing this you'll immediately see a change in the rule because half of the batsmen in a team will be run out in this fashion . Anyway ,if you look at the video closely ,butler wasn't even advancing down ,ashwin completed his action and he had no right to run him out after completing his action ,either do it in the flow or dont! Third umpire should have given it not out I play it every season. It never happens apart from 20 over games. As i said, Not just advantage, batsman mooving out of crease does impacts rythm of bowler. Batsman know it very well. And no, Rule won’t change. Rule are absolutely clear. If batsman mooves out of the crease before delivery, bowler can mankad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowl_out Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said: Damn. How shameful can the guy be to effect a perfectly legal dismissal within the laws of the game. Next time, batsmen should ask the bowler to reverse his appeal when given out lbw. Greg Chappell played within the rules of the game as well when he asked him bowler to bowl underarm.. Maybe that isn't cringy enough either? beetle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jalebi_bhai Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, bowl_out said: Yeah, Buttler was strolling out of his crease?? Somebody show Ashwin this picture when he bad mouths the batsman of taking unfair advantage the next time. Ashwin conned Butler. He lied in the presentation about having not loaded his action even though he was halfway through it....then paused, without pulling out of his action, waited for Butler to take a step forward and then dismissed him. There's no way that Ashwin can say that he saw Butler step out of his crease because he was still inside it when Ashwin paused to break the stumps. Butler's mistake was that he didn't pay attention to the con job. bowl_out, beetle, AuxiliA and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Gollum said: Bowler appealed. This frame was available to 3rd umpire I am guessing, who then pressed the red button. So how is it the bowler's fault? Umpires always carry the ICC rule book with them, they had to take the final call after referencing the para in question. So tomorrow if an umpire gives a blaring howler against the batsman will you call the bowler a cheat for appealing? No most icfers know rules better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adi BB Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, flamy said: It is not about Ashwin or Buttler. Why didn't the umpire call it a dead ball? True or should have given it not out . Ashwin would have looked smart had butler really advanced far down and had ash dislodged the bail when in flow of his action,not after stopping and checking beetle and Under_Score 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted March 25, 2019 Share Posted March 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, Adi BB said: If you've played cricket you'd know it's imperative to gain a momentum while standing in the non strikers end ,one way or the other you tend to take a small (even if it's in inches ) headstart when the bowler delivers his action ,If every bowler (especially spinners) start doing this you'll immediately see a change in the rule because half of the batsmen in a team will be run out in this fashion . Batsmen at non-striker end must take headstart from deep in the crease so that they are inside the crease at the point of delivery, and also with the requisite momentum. Just like how fielders in the deep or 30 yards circle often take their headstart from beyond the line. 3 minutes ago, Adi BB said: Anyway ,if you look at the video closely ,butler wasn't even advancing down ,ashwin completed his action and he had no right to run him out after completing his action ,either do it in the flow or dont! Third umpire should have given it not out Agree the final call had to be made by the umpire. Adi BB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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