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England has gems like Buttler & Bairstow as wicketkeepers whereas we are stuck with 40 year old Dhoni


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39 minutes ago, Bigg Brother said:

Even if Dhoni is ousted, England's reserve players' pool is way ahead of India's. You will see definite changes if England wont go on to wc.. They will move on from the weak links to give opportunity to new players unlike our team who were happy with SF exit last time with Dhoni's PR circulating fake pics of him crying.

I disagree.  Indian player pool is fantastic and deep AF.  The team is not using its players properly.  

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6 hours ago, zen said:

The problem is that no one forced Ind to select the squad it did! 

It is not important whether they were forced or not when you do not have options to replace the incumbent WK.  People harping about Bairstaw and Butler usually forget that they are not rookies  They both are closing on their 30s, in high 20s and are at their peak.  They both debuted in 2011 and 2012 respectively.  And people say bring in Pant, Kishan etc who are barely 21, 20 respectively without any prior experience lacking any perspective.  Suppose we bring Pant in, he performs poorly and kicked out of WC, what then.  What if he is dropped and forgotten after that? What it is going to do to the psych of a 21 year old who has barely played 5 ODIs at this point?  It is injustice to him as well to bring him in such a big tournament with no preparation or experience.  Big tournaments are for experienced players, not rookies.   Rookies does mean just young, but young in experience. Like Kohli was young around 22 in 2011 WC but he was experienced enough, had enough ODI games and runs under his belt after debuting in 2008 and he had legends like SRT, Viru, GG, Yuvraj there.

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11 hours ago, putrevus said:

Dhoni was never good even in his prime in chasing big targets.Now Dhoni is big big liability in chasing big targets.He simply cannot do it.

 

Karthik is another useless fellow, I have no idea why the moron MSK selected Karthik over Pant.

ya never blame kohli...... have you read news paper it was kohli who prefer karthik over pant. Talk about being in dellusion.

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Our keeper has a strike rate of 74 in last 12 months!! Even in 90s a number 6/7 batsman would not have survived with these strike rates but here we have a number of our ex-legends rooting for Dhoni because he hits a few sixes in IPL.

 

He is the only keeper not have scored a ODI 100 in last 2 years, he shares that honour with Sarfaraz the great.

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5 hours ago, rkt.india said:

It is injustice to him as well to bring him in such a big tournament with no preparation or experience.  Big tournaments are for experienced players, not rookies.   Rookies does mean just young, but young in experience. Like Kohli was young around 22 in 2011 WC but he was experienced enough, had enough ODI games and runs under his belt

And that's the point.  There was no reason to deny giving Rishabh 10-15 ODIs over the last 15 months.  The team intentionally planned it in such a way that they can make this precise excuse of 'experience' for the WC.  Its quite shameless and obvious really.  

 

Instead of building a batting unit that can consistently score 360, they have been content to score 315-30, and let the bowlers fight it out.  If not, blame the 'middle order' for not scoring 9 runs per over, while the top order eats 70% of the balls, scoring about 50-60% of the runs.  

 

Its a good gig - all 3 top order batsmen make the most $$$ due to their gaudy individual stats and milestones.  Who cares if the Indian team, in spite of having some of the best batsmen in the world, averages about 50 runs per ODI than the best in class.  

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7 minutes ago, sandeep said:

And that's the point.  There was no reason to deny giving Rishabh 10-15 ODIs over the last 15 months.  The team intentionally planned it in such a way that they can make this precise excuse of 'experience' for the WC.  Its quite shameless and obvious really.  

 

Instead of building a batting unit that can consistently score 360, they have been content to score 315-30, and let the bowlers fight it out.  If not, blame the 'middle order' for not scoring 9 runs per over, while the top order eats 70% of the balls, scoring about 50-60% of the runs.  

 

Its a good gig - all 3 top order batsmen make the most $$$ due to their gaudy individual stats and milestones.  Who cares if the Indian team, in spite of having some of the best batsmen in the world, averages about 50 runs per ODI than the best in class.  

Pant should have played every LOI game for India after his grand success in IPL 2018.

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4 hours ago, raki05 said:

ya never blame kohli...... have you read news paper it was kohli who prefer karthik over pant. Talk about being in dellusion.

That person will never ever blame Kohli, no matter how badly he does. Sometimes I think that the poster is Anushka Sharma herself :giggle:

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4 hours ago, raki05 said:

ya never blame kohli...... have you read news paper it was kohli who prefer karthik over pant. Talk about being in dellusion.

Who is the selector.Kohli should never have any say in selections as he has proved  again and again he stinks in team selection.

 

Kohli if he demands say in selection should be sacked from it. I am not in any delusion, Kohli is not my relative or I am going to get anything from him.

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After CT 2017 India kept winning most series, I think only England series and latest Australian series were only losses. Bowling covered for most deficiencies.That coupled with lack of batting talent in domestic cricket and Kohli's unwillingness to try youngsters has led to this debacle.

 

After seeing England score 358 without even breaking a sweat and without their most potent finisher, India is so far behind in actual talent.

 

Yes Bairstow and Butlers are no spring chickens but the batting surplus England has is ridicolous.Where are our domestic players who have been playing in IPL for 4 or 5 seasons who are capable of hitting 50 ball 100s??? or 25 ball fifties.

 

Don't include Pant and Pandya, they are already there.Some people are arguing it is the mindset of top three. I don't think India has won any match by either scoring 300 plus when batting first or chasing 300 plus when they lose early wickets.

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3 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Pant should have played every LOI game for India after his grand success in IPL 2018.

And he wasn't just an IPL flash in the pan.  He put up an absolute monster of a Ranji season ahead of that.  In an Indian ODI team that has a severe deficit of six-hitting ability between Rohit and Pandya, his keeping ability or inexperience didn't matter.  He could play as a pure batsman.  In fact, the right call would be to unleash a fearless young tyro like him, at the top of the order, with field restrictions.  That's what South Africa did, with QdK.   But again, top order ODI batting slot is worth millions of dollars in endorsement value.  And is like a feudal jaagir.  Who cares whats best for the team.  

 

But if Rishabh Pant and/or KLPD Rahul were given even a handful of chances opening the batting, and if they had clicked - then what?  Would Virat and Rohit agree to slide down the order and give up the chances to rack up meaningless centuries?  I don't question Dhawan as much, because the guy has demonstrated with his batting, that he is relatively selfless.  

 

Instead, let's shunt the newcomers down the order, in positions that make it harder, instead of easier to succeed.  Let's make them unsure of their place in the team and squad, and blame them for all the team's problems.  

 

Banjo chewwwtiya banaa rahe hai yeh log fans ko.  

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3 minutes ago, sandeep said:

And he wasn't just an IPL flash in the pan.  He put up an absolute monster of a Ranji season ahead of that.  In an Indian ODI team that has a severe deficit of six-hitting ability between Rohit and Pandya, his keeping ability or inexperience didn't matter.  He could play as a pure batsman.  In fact, the right call would be to unleash a fearless young tyro like him, at the top of the order, with field restrictions.  That's what South Africa did, with QdK.   But again, top order ODI batting slot is worth millions of dollars in endorsement value.  And is like a feudal jaagir.  Who cares whats best for the team.  

 

But if Rishabh Pant and/or KLPD Rahul were given even a handful of chances opening the batting, and if they had clicked - then what?  Would Virat and Rohit agree to slide down the order and give up the chances to rack up meaningless centuries?  I don't question Dhawan as much, because the guy has demonstrated with his batting, that he is relatively selfless.  

 

Instead, let's shunt the newcomers down the order, in positions that make it harder, instead of easier to succeed.  Let's make them unsure of their place in the team and squad, and blame them for all the team's problems.  

 

Banjo chewwwtiya banaa rahe hai yeh log fans ko.  

history repeats itself. 

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