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SF1: Ind vs NZ Pre-Match Discussion Thread (WC19)


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1 hour ago, Pratik77 said:

This might be best line up for game against NZ...1 extra option in bowling if one goes for runs....

1. Rahul

2. Rohit

3. Virat

4. Pant 

5. Pandya

6. MSD 

7. Jadeja

8. Bhuvi

9. Chahl

10. Shami

11. Bumrah

This team, I had chosen yhe same. We need a sixth bowler option. Jadeja/Bhuvi can do what the 6th batsman does.

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I think we should only play one of kuldeep and chahal, and though chahal has been better by statistics, kuldeep can rip through NZ's batting and gives the left arm variety. He's also a better batsman than chahal. 

 

Rohit

Rahul

Kohli

Pant

Pandya

Jadeja 

Dhoni

Bhuvi

Shami

Kuldeep

Bumrah

 

Batting till 8, even shami can slog a few boundaries. Kuldeep can stay in if needed. 6 bowling options with jadeja giving some variety as well. Jadeja would bat ahead of dhoni. Bhuvi and bumrah for end overs, shami and bhuvi should open with new ball. Get shami's overs done before the end overs. 4 pacers. Balanced side.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Pratik77 said:

This might be best line up for game against NZ...1 extra option in bowling if one goes for runs....

1. Rahul

2. Rohit

3. Virat

4. Pant 

5. Pandya

6. MSD 

7. Jadeja

8. Bhuvi

9. Chahl

10. Shami

11. Bumrah

I picked the same team but Kuldeep for Chahal because kuldeep can apply more pressure, more chance of winning us the game on his day, fear factor with NZ knowing what he can do. And better with the bat.

 

 

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I dont consider Jadeja to be a good batter than Jadhav in ODIs since he does not make more than 15 runs batting at 8. If we are looking at 6 th bowling option we need batting allrounder and Jadhav better than Jadeja here.

 

Jadeja can come in as specialist bowler to replace somebody but not as batting allrounder.

 

Knowing Kohli expect the same team which played against Lanka. God save us.

 

 

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With Bhuvi, Shami and Bhumra no one can scare us about fast pitch. With Jadeja/Padya as 5th bowler we can even take turning wicket. 

 

So bowling is not a problem. With batting, we just need to be better than NZ batters and game is ours. With Eng/Aus though their batting could be better than ours on some days. Thats why we won against Aus (we batted well) and lost to Eng (we bowled poorly).

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India had better plan on leaving Boult alone for the first few overs. Rather India be 0/30 after 10 overs, then 2/45.

 

Once his first spell has passed there is plenty of bowlers to take advantage of. Catching up those extra 15-20 runs is easily achievable, esp if Hitman plays regulation cricket shots.

 

Boult is a genuine match winner. He can break our hearts. KL is potentially a walking wicket when he bowls.

 

The team should be

 

Hitman

KL

Kohli

Pant

Pandya

Dhoni

Jaddu

Kumar

Chalal

Shami

Bumrah

 

Our strength is our bowling we need to ensure that remains the case always.

 

Our batting is strong, but is reliant on two players Hitman and Kohli. If they fail, India fails.

 

India will also fail if Jaddu is replaced by Jedhav or DK. These two wont score enough runs for India to put a par score or get to a score.

 

The batting order should be fluid, like water.

 

If India lose very early wickets, MSD needs to come in at number 4 and shield Pant and Pandya  by tuk tuk.

 

 

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1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

Jadhav as the 6th bowler is a fail, can bowl a max of 4 overs. Jadeja is a better , can bowl full quota and also bat as much as jadhav, the flat batter.

Agree with the bold part. Jadhav the batsman averages over 40@100 SR with a good SR. Jadeja averages 16@70 SR in last 3 years. If the 6th bowler is an insurance, incase a main bowler fails miserably or gets injured, Jadhav seems to be the right pick. Jadeja can always come and field in place of someone, so that should not be much of a factor. Having said that Jadhav at 6/7 is useless, as demonstrated in this WC. If he plays he should come at 4/5. 

Either way we should play 4 bowlers + Pandya + Jadeja/Jadhav - no DK

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14 minutes ago, srh08 said:

Agree with the bold part. Jadhav the batsman averages over 40@100 SR with a good SR. Jadeja averages 16@70 SR in last 3 years. If the 6th bowler is an insurance, incase a main bowler fails miserably or gets injured, Jadhav seems to be the right pick. Jadeja can always come and field in place of someone, so that should not be much of a factor. Having said that Jadhav at 6/7 is useless, as demonstrated in this WC. If he plays he should come at 4/5. 

Either way we should play 4 bowlers + Pandya + Jadeja/Jadhav - no DK

My main USP with Jadeja is the X-factor, he is fresh than jadhav.

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8 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

My main USP with Jadeja is the X-factor, he is fresh than jadhav.

I am assuming batting X-factor (or did you mean bowling?). We already have two of those (Pant/Hardhik) and I think we need somewhat of a solid bat who can bowl .Unfortunately, Jadhav is the only option. With Jadeja, we will have 3 batsmen who average < 30 + Dhoni from 4-7. Thats a very weak lineup, which might click and get us to 400 on a given day, but with a low probability. More likely we will end up with 250-260. 

We will have 4 solid bowlers and Pandya anyway who should get the job done.

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it's clear that TM has discarded jadhav, but I'd rather see him in place of DK. people overemphasize DK's T20 exploits and forget that he has done little of note in a long ODI career, irrespective of whatever position he has played. and the reason jadhav has done poorly this WC is because he has mostly batted at 6 or 7. he simply does not have the ability to play there. should have been given a run at 4 or 5.

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I'd like to see the following XI with the following order: KLR, Rohit, VK, Jadhav, Dhoni, Pant, Pandya, Bhuvi, Shami/Jaddu, Kuldeep/Chahal, Bumrah

 

What I think we will get: KLR, Rohit, VK, Pant, Dhoni, Pandya, DK, Bhuvi, Shami, Chahal, Bumrah

 

 

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