R!TTER Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Those are all ICC tourney's or just the WC? Also one of them was chasing a low score against Bangers in 2017, sure you can count it but then he was cleaned up twice in the finals! Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 6 minutes ago, R!TTER said: Those are all ICC tourney's or just the WC? Also one of them was chasing a low score against Bangers in 2017, sure you can count it but then he was cleaned up twice in the finals! BAN has been a lower ranked team ever since 2015, even better than 'Windies 2 time world cup champions'. So they were basically a non minnow and performance against them counts. You are projecting the flip side of Kohli.If that is the case every prominent batsman has bloat in their performances. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) I'm counting only WC, CT is nowhere near the pressure or prestige of the biggest trophy in cricket. And yeah every batter has holes in their resume, like I pointed out. This is a team game so no one, even Viv has 100% record in KO games & you are allowed to fail. The number of good/great scores from Kohli is alarming though & I doubt you can weasel out of that argument by bringing his CT or WT20 performances to the fore. Edited July 11, 2019 by R!TTER Link to comment
Real McCoy Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Stan AF said: So what dude??. Do you think any runs come easy??. BTW what was dhoni doing yesterday huh?? While jadeja was making all the hard and difficult runs dhoni ate up all the balls and dragged it till the end. he was single handedly the reason why we lost yesterday. Except dhoni moronic fans in this forum everyone saw this coming from a mile away. No they do not. I was just giving new guy some perspective. I know you are also a fan of Sachin but it is Kohli we are discussing about. Maybe you didnt read my post fully. I also credited him with showing determination and trying to hang in the crease without throwing it away In the case of this game yesterday, I can't believe you are taking shots at Dhoni when the team was 77/5 and later 92/6. You must take shots at the top order who made runs when they were easy and when the going got tough, they faltered. Dhoni should have come in at 4 or 5 not Pant/Karthik/Pandya. Another captaincy mistake from Kohli. You have the most experienced batter in the team coming in at 7 Dhoni also needs to be blamed for not putting his hand up to bat at 4/5. When I saw Karthik and Pandya come up, I knew this game was lost. He may have ate up balls but he would have ensured India didn't lose too many wickets. With Dhoni at the crease, Pant/Pandya/Karthik would have batted more freely like Jadeja. Pant and Karthik didn't play in the initial stages that much. So I'm also blaming the selectors on this mess. They should also get the blame for keeping Dhoni in the team when he himself said in an interview that he is finding it hard to rotate strike 3 years ago. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 21 minutes ago, R!TTER said: I'm counting only WC, CT is nowhere near the pressure or prestige of the biggest trophy in cricket. And yeah every batter has holes in their resume, like I pointed out. This is a team game so no one, even Viv has 100% record in KO games & you are allowed to fail. The number of good/great scores from Kohli is alarming though & I doubt you can weasel out of that argument by bringing his CT or WT20 performances to the fore. In a game played mainly by only some 10 countries , every game vs non minnow even bilateral is a pressure game or no pressure at all. Simple as that.To be more precise the pressure in a cricket match is several levels below when compared to a universal game like football. That being the case 'world cup' has slightly more pressure when compared to a champions trophy 'knock out' game.The same subcontinent fans who would be disappointed a lot now with their teams performance in this world cup would surely have expressed the almost same level of disappointment in general in CT 2017 too.As simple as that.That is why you can still come across several PAK fans chest thumping about the win in final and several Indian fans getting forced to defend against them. Simple as that. Link to comment
R!TTER Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 3 minutes ago, rtmohanlal said: That is why you can still come across several PAK fans chest thumping about the win in final and several Indian fans getting forced to defend against them. Simple as that. I don't care about Random Pak fans who have only CT win to celebrate after their fluke win in 92, take any casual cricket fan who wasn't brought up on a diet of T20, for them WC>>>>CT & the same goes for majority of us. You might want to make this an argument that all high pressure matches are the same, however that's not the case. Winning an away game in Oz is still harder than beating Bangers in BD & a large part of that is the occasion, to be more precise what players & their fans give more importance to. Hence CT<<<<WC always. Link to comment
kohli Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Wat Yuvraj did in knockout match .only 1 innings against Australia in qf in home Link to comment
mishra Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Kohli has consistently prooved that number 3 spot is up for grabs Link to comment
New guy Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 5 hours ago, Real McCoy said: 2003 semis was against Kenya I know you are a Sachin fan but if you are trying to make this a big deal, I will point out the other details. Sorry. He scored a sedate 80 runs I believe and Ganguly was the one who scored at a brisk pace for a 100. We scored 270 runs and the bowlers came to the party and bowled the Kenyans out. 2011 semis was a choke job with multiple drops and Sehwag, Raina and the bowlers rescuing us. They won the match and Sachin collected the MoM in the end. But he did try to hang in there I'll give him that. Was still more determined than the sh1t show yesterday. Both innings was not his achievement alone just as many of you point Dhoni was not the only one who contributed in the 2011 finals. Agreed. But he still fought Link to comment
RAZPOR Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Yuvraj was much bigger match winner ,he never choked at important moments when he was in his prime Bhaiyya 1 Link to comment
Tendulkar1996 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 6 hours ago, rtmohanlal said: Still SRT better to Kohli as of now. But, if triangular knockouts can be holed in such high esteem why can't champions trophy knock outs be? So Kohli has done ok by normal standards Tendulkar also played some great champions trophy knockout innings. The 141 at dhaka in 1998 against steve waugh's australia that knocked them out,the early assault vs mcgrath at nairobi on a seaming pitch in 2001.That along with yuvraj knocked the ATG aus team out of that edition. Link to comment
Anoop K Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 4 hours ago, RAZPOR said: Yuvraj was much bigger match winner ,he never choked at important moments when he was in his prime His choking in 2014 is legendary. In fact Kohli has never played a match losing knock like yuvi Link to comment
Anoop K Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Kohli 's 133 against Sri Lanka was a knockout. His heroics won us Odi series in SA. All our legends failed to do that. Kohli has great innings vs Australia in 2016 t20 WC. In semifinals too he made 89 against Windies. Has two MOS in 2014 (yuvraj ruined that WC for us) ,2016 t20WC. cricketfan28 1 Link to comment
DGBOSS Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) 11 hours ago, Sujithmb13 said: Yuvi has won the game for India against Australia in CT,qf against Australia .Also he was the best player in a WC.What has kohli done in ICC odi tournaments? This is where Indians talk like Pakistanis... Kohli much better than Yuvi man. Now I wont go to that level to suggest otherwise. VK is definitely still the best batter in the world. Not a great captain but a great batsman for sure. Not long ago he was best chaser wasnt he? Lately though what people are missing is that opposition teams have caught on Kohli's weakness outside off stump, vulnerability early on in the innings etc. Happend with SRT too happens with every greats batsman. How Virat counters that from here will define if he will retire like Sachin - Best batter. Edited July 11, 2019 by DGBOSS Link to comment
Anoop K Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 (edited) I am sure yuvraj's most runs in 2011 WC came against poor sides in league matches (century against hopeless windies). His 5 wickets in a single match was too against some rubbish side in league matches. Edited July 11, 2019 by Anoop K Mistake Link to comment
Anoop K Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 As a batsman yuvi is nowhere even near Kohli. He was inconsistent for most of his career. Ankit_sharma03 1 Link to comment
flamy Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 10 hours ago, Stan AF said: So what dude??. Do you think any runs come easy??. BTW what was dhoni doing yesterday huh?? While jadeja was making all the hard and difficult runs dhoni ate up all the balls and dragged it till the end. he was single handedly the reason why we lost yesterday. Except dhoni moronic fans in this forum everyone saw this coming from a mile away. I know! They even showed him biting his bat. He bit everyone's bat and that's how the top 3 got out for 1. Switchblade and Real McCoy 2 Link to comment
cricketfan28 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Yes. Kohli has surpassed yuvi long time ago. Link to comment
construction430 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 First of all, match winner Sachin who? I remember a midget playing for his own agenda. Laaloo and The Hound 1 1 Link to comment
Laaloo Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 54 minutes ago, Tendulkar1996 said: Tendulkar also played some great champions trophy knockout innings. The 141 at dhaka in 1998 against steve waugh's australia that knocked them out,the early assault vs mcgrath at nairobi on a seaming pitch in 2001.That along with yuvraj knocked the ATG aus team out of that edition. OMg I just saw that 141 again. I need some tissues. Brb maniac and construction430 1 1 Link to comment
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