Pandya is the only “allrounder” to neither have a 50 or a 4fr

[maniac]

H.Pandya

 

226 runs at 32.00, SR of 112.00, no 50 or 100. also came in with plenty of time to spare in most games.

 

10 wickets at 45.00 with economy of 5.76. no 4 fr or 5fr

 

on the other hand

 

B. Stokes

 

381 runs at 54.00 average and SR of 95 with 4 50's. Played some clutch knocks

 

7 wickets at 32.00 with Economy  of 4.7

 

J.Neesham

 

Only 7 innings but 213 runs at average of 36.00 including a back to the wall 97* against Pakistan. S/R on the lower side at 79 but obviously Nzl is the only team that had to chase/defend total of 300+ only once.

 

12 wickets at 20.75 including a 5fr

 

Brathwaite 154 runs including a clutch 100 that almost pulled off an impossible chase and 9 wickets including a 4fr

 

Holder 170 runs that included a 50 and 8 wickets with no 4fr or 5fr.

 

So our allrounder is the only guy not to have a single 50 or a minimum 4fr  Not sure if he is a batsman or a bowler

Edited July 11, 2019 by maniac

[maniac]

Even Shaifuddin from Bangladesh, Pheklekwayo and Grandhomme have 50’s

 

[maniac]

Correction pheklukwayo has a highest of 46*

 

Morris being another useless passenger  

[zen]

If he had the opportunity to bat higher (and get his catches dropped), he would have scored 100s as well. Should have been promoted in games such as vs. SL. As for bowling, he is actually being praised for completing his 10 overs, which allowed Ind to play another specialist batsman 

 

On good batting surfaces, he does not get chances to bat. On good bowling surfaces, the guys who bat for long in other matches, do not deliver, exposing other batsmen earlier. On top of that, these openers mess up chases like that against Eng, setting the rest of the team for failure

 

Performed well in the knockout game. where likes of Rohit, who were supposed to be in good form, failed to deliver where it counted 

Edited July 11, 2019 by zen

[maniac]

7 minutes ago, zen said:

If he had the opportunity to bat higher (and get his catches dropped), he would have scored 100s as well. Should have been promoted in games such as vs. SL. As for bowling, he is actually being praised for completing his 10 overs, which allowed Ind to play another specialist batsman 

  

On good batting surfaces, he does not get chances to bat. On good bowling surfaces, the guys who bat for long in other matches, do not deliver, exposing other batsmen earlier. On top of that, these openers mess up chases like that against Eng, setting the rest of the team for failure

 

Performed well in the knockout game. where likes of Rohit, who were supposed to be in good form, failed to deliver where it counted 

Every name I mentioned has a clutch knock including Grandhomme, Neesham and Brathwaite whom we talk like they don't even belong in Pandya's league. in fact Neesham has a 5fr as well.

 

Why are you bringing in Rohit? is he a allrounder?

[Praveen Amre]

I don't think we lost the WC because of all-rounders, particularly Pandya. He may have shortcomings as a batsman or a bowler, but did he fail to do his job? From my perspective, the answer is a 'no'.

[mishra]

Let’s analyse compare with another player. Maxwell and Pandya are similar batsman. They both rely on arm speed. Result of such arm speed is , ball will travel somewhere behind the stumps.

Nxt time you watch either of two see areas where they score runs.

 

Now can you rely on a batsman like Pandya and Maxwell. No, never. They can get out any time.

 

Its coaches job to bring in some technique in Pandya’s batting.

I have no issue with his bowling but he should not be overworked. His initial few overs are spray bullets. A coach can simply fix it by telling exactly how to get his arms warmed right before bowls his First  ball.

 

So all in all: poor coaching on both fronts

 

[zen]

10 minutes ago, maniac said:

Every name I mentioned has a clutch knock including Grandhomme, Neesham and Brathwaite whom we talk like they don't even belong in Pandya's league. in fact Neesham has a 5fr as well.

 

Why are you bringing in Rohit? is he a allrounder?

 

Innings by innings list

Runs	Mins	BF	4s	6s	SR	Pos	Dismissal	Inns		Opposition	Ground	Start Date
15*	8	7	3	0	214.28	6	not out	2		v South Africa	Southampton	5 Jun 2019	ODI # 4150
48	41	27	4	3	177.77	4	caught	1		v Australia	The Oval	9 Jun 2019	ODI # 4155
26	24	19	2	1	136.84	4	caught	1		v Pakistan	Manchester	16 Jun 2019	ODI # 4161
7	23	9	0	0	77.77	7	caught	1		v Afghanistan	Southampton	22 Jun 2019	ODI # 4169
46	48	38	5	0	121.05	7	caught	1		v West Indies	Manchester	27 Jun 2019	ODI # 4175
45	49	33	4	0	136.36	5	caught	2		v England	Birmingham	30 Jun 2019	ODI # 4179
0	4	2	0	0	0.00	5	caught	1		v Bangladesh	Birmingham	2 Jul 2019	ODI # 4182
7*	8	4	1	0	175.00	5	not out	2		v Sri Lanka	Leeds	6 Jul 2019	ODI # 4187
32	81	62	2	0	51.61	6	caught	2		v New Zealand	Manchester	9 Jul 2019	ODI # 4190

 

I don't see any issues above. He has delivered with 30-40+ scores on quite a few occasions, which has benefitted the team, and where he failed, he was mostly hitting the ball from the go 

 

Rohit is mentioned because if he were to swap the position with Pandya, he would struggle to even get going from ball one. And we know his "FCA"  

Edited July 11, 2019 by zen

[Praveen Amre]

Hardik Pandya is a captaincy material. Because he has a strong psychological makeup. He can be our next Dhoni. If I were a selector, I would groom him to lead the T-20 side for the 2020 WC and then possibly the ODI side.

Edited July 11, 2019 by Praveen Amre
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[Ranvir]

Pandya has been disappointing like Maxwell. They never took off.

[maniac]

7 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Innings by innings list

Runs	Mins	BF	4s	6s	SR	Pos	Dismissal	Inns		Opposition	Ground	Start Date
15*	8	7	3	0	214.28	6	not out	2		v South Africa	Southampton	5 Jun 2019	ODI # 4150
48	41	27	4	3	177.77	4	caught	1		v Australia	The Oval	9 Jun 2019	ODI # 4155
26	24	19	2	1	136.84	4	caught	1		v Pakistan	Manchester	16 Jun 2019	ODI # 4161
7	23	9	0	0	77.77	7	caught	1		v Afghanistan	Southampton	22 Jun 2019	ODI # 4169
46	48	38	5	0	121.05	7	caught	1		v West Indies	Manchester	27 Jun 2019	ODI # 4175
45	49	33	4	0	136.36	5	caught	2		v England	Birmingham	30 Jun 2019	ODI # 4179
0	4	2	0	0	0.00	5	caught	1		v Bangladesh	Birmingham	2 Jul 2019	ODI # 4182
7*	8	4	1	0	175.00	5	not out	2		v Sri Lanka	Leeds	6 Jul 2019	ODI # 4187
32	81	62	2	0	51.61	6	caught	2		v New Zealand	Manchester	9 Jul 2019	ODI # 4190

 

I don't see any issues above. He has delivered with 30-40+ scores on quite a few occasions, which has benefitted the team, and where he failed, he was mostly hitting the ball from the go 

 

Rohit is mentioned because if he were to swap the position with Pandya, he would struggle to even get going from ball one. And we know his "FCA"  

Stokes played 2-3 clutch knocks from a hopeless situation. Neesham and Grandhomme played back to the wall knocks against Pak and SA, Brathwaite almost pulled off an epic heist. None of Pnadya's innings were of the same quality.

 

He came at 24/5 with 200+ runs to go in the 10th over and he failed in his first real test. I also see a 0 there and a score of 7 vs Afghan were we were under pressure. Looks like he enjoys when there is a solid platform left by openers or in our case opener and Kohli to swing the bat. sorry don't rate such innings. Even Wahab Riaz played such knocks. No 50 minimum shows,not good enough for proper knocks. and no 4 fr means not a good enough bowling performance either

Edited July 11, 2019 by maniac

[zen]

Just now, Praveen Amre said:

Hardik Pandya is a captaincy material. Mostly because he has a strong psychological makeup. He can be our next Dhoni. If I was a selector, I would groom him to lead the T-20 side for the 2020 WC and then possibly the ODI side.

That is my suggestion as well .... he is street smart, and can understand the perspective from both batting and bowling PoV. Also he gives it all on the field, which can be inspiring 

 

 

[zen]

4 minutes ago, maniac said:

Stokes played 2-3 clutch knocks from a hopeless situation. Neesham and Grandhomme played back to the wall knocks against Pak and SA, Brathwaite almost pulled off an epic heist. None of Pnadya's innings were of the same quality.

 

He came at 24/5 with 200+ runs to go in the 10th over and he failed in his first real test. I also see a 0 there and a score of 7 vs Afghan were we were under pressure. Looks like he enjoys when there is a solid platform left by openers or in our case opener and Kohli to swing the bat. sorry don't rate such innings. Even Wahab Riaz played such knocks. No 50 minimum shows,not good enough for proper knocks. and no 4 fr means not a good enough bowling performance either

And he got out in trying to get Ind to a win from an impossible situation unlike Rohit who is a liability when conditions support bowlers. If he received dropped chances like certain someone, he would have single handled won Ind the game

Edited July 11, 2019 by zen

[cricketfan28]

hit and miss.

[First class]

Stats are not the only thing, he was able to bowl 10 overs in most of the matches,and had useful contribution in batting and took 10 wickets even with many front line wicket taking bowlers, he did a good job as an all rounder. He is behind Stokes and Neeshan but better than rest of the fast bowling all rounders. 

[maniac]

12 minutes ago, zen said:

And he got out in trying to get Ind to a win from an impossible situation unlike Rohit who is a liability when conditions support bowlers. If he received dropped chances like certain someone, he would have single handled won Ind the game

He got out playing across the line to a spinner when that was not needed and the pitch eased up.

 

Even spin bowling allrounders like Shakib had a ATG record, Imad Wasim played a match winning knock to get his team over the line and Jadeja scored a 50 to almost win the game.

 

it's a bottom half performance along with Morris, Pheklekwayo etc. something you expect from a bottom half side not the top side in the world

[maniac]

11 minutes ago, Praveen Amre said:

 

Yes. And despite coming across as regressive and a casteist, I'd dare say that a Brahmin typically has a multi-dimensional view of the reality and make good leaders, like Rohit Sharma. Pandya is a Gujju + a Brahmin.  

  

Marwaris have mental strength and I'd have bet my skin on Mayank Agarwal performing much better than that Rahul in opening... but he was not given a chance in the SL match.

but Rahul is a brahmin

[Dil Dil India]

What a dumb thread, Pandya was pretty decent. Did well against Aus and a couple of other times with the bat. Was okay with the ball overall without being spectacular.

[sandeep]

In this corner, we have Zen, who will over-hype Pandya, and attack Rohit Sharma using "stats".  In the other corner, we have an asshole with the opposite agenda, doing budhdhi noo pradharshan - translates to 'demonstrating his acumen' (sarcasm is to be understood).  

 

 

[Dil Dil India]

12 minutes ago, Praveen Amre said:

 

Yes. And despite coming across as regressive and a casteist, I'd dare say that a Brahmin typically has a multi-dimensional view of the reality and make good leaders, like Rohit Sharma. Pandya is a Gujju + a Brahmin.  

 

Marwaris have mental strength and I'd have bet my skin on Mayank Agarwal performing much better than that Rahul in opening... but he was not given a chance in the SL match.

STFU with the caste crap idiot. This is why India is a laughing stock in front of the world. Chewtiya sala. Mods should ban mofos like you. Probably a Pakistani with an Indian id.