MechEng Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 On 9/16/2019 at 1:34 AM, Number said: One interesting thing about this region PoK is that they have almost nothing in common with Kashmir valley people except Sunni Islam. Their language is not Kashmiri. They speak Pahari or Poonchi language which is spoken in Jammu region. So these were essentially part of Jammu regions which were captured by Pakistan. Also hunza, pothwari and mirpuri, right? Plenty of Mirpuris and Pothwaris in UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechEng Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Arrey Aksai Chin ka kya karoge? Occupied by gobi manchurians? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 On 9/15/2019 at 8:03 PM, veer said: I am more for not wasting next 70 years on this.. but what you are saying is another open conflict with us pulling China in... I and you may not live next 70 years but land is gonna be there. Just because we want peace doesnt actually means we give away our share of land. This land is borrowed from next generation of India and we are obligated to return it to them. Ideally I would want us to return it to them, but most likely, they will have to get it by themselves. Just because we want peace doesnt mean that we close options for next generation of India. Once again, PoK belongs to India and all the Indians. Anyhow, who knows, what BJP Government can achieve in next 10 years. S. Jaishankar today made it clear, One day PoK will be under Physical control of India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 15 hours ago, Autonomous said: Can only laugh at people here claiming that going all out for GB/AJK is an option for India. With all that money spent in projects including Highways, Resorts/Tourism Industry etc. anyone will give up the region, add chinese lomg term interest and investment, it is delusion that AJK/GB can ever be part of India. Best solution is to convert LOC into International Border as suggested. It will also waive off some portion allocated to bulky defence budget. Legally all the land which belonged to Princely state of Maharaja Hari Singh belongs to India and Indians even If that includes Lahore and Karachi, why should India give up its right to that land. Its question of fullfilling our legal obligations to our next generation. Why should we sell it just because you send terrorists Moochad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autonomous Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, mishra said: Legally all the land which belonged to Princely state of Maharaja Hari Singh belongs to India and Indians even If that includes Lahore and Karachi, why should India give up its right to that land. Its question of fullfilling our legal obligations to our next generation. Why should we sell it just because you send terrorists Goodluck getting any of the land, neither the people (hardly anyone even likes India there) nor the land belongs to you, you can never get it. You are free to spend your resources in war, catfights or abhinandans rather than in your society/economy. Edited September 17, 2019 by Autonomous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Autonomous said: Goodluck getting any of the land, neither the people (hardly anyone even likes India there) nor the land belongs to you, you can never get it. You are free to spend your resources in war, catfights or abhinandans rather than in your society/economy. GB Shias are like Kargil Shias i.e. happy with India... If we somehow secure Pakistan nukes, India has the capability to extract a surrender from pak in a full blown war inside 1 day imo, but 2 days max ... Despite that, I don't want pok( ie muzzafarabad) but I want gilgit baltistan...but it's upto the govt. Of course to decide whether they want take entire pok as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 hours ago, mishra said: Legally all the land which belonged to Princely state of Maharaja Hari Singh belongs to India and Indians even If that includes Lahore and Karachi, why should India give up its right to that land. Its question of fullfilling our legal obligations to our next generation. Why should we sell it just because you send terrorists There is no such thing as legal in deciding borders. Whoever controls it , it belongs to them . Germany was very large but after WW2 large part of it was severed and given to Poland so that Soviet can retain west part of Poland. Intially Germany resisted but later during unification they accepted it. If you want to fight never ending war and spend billions of dollars then keep shouting we will get POK.Any act of crossing loc by either side will trigger war and World powers will be against that which crosses it. The question is what price is India ready to pay for POK. Is destruction of few Indian cities by nuclear valid price? The best solution LoC as permanent border Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, Singh bling said: There is no such thing as legal in deciding borders. Whoever controls it , it belongs to them . Germany was very large but after WW2 large part of it was severed and given to Poland so that Soviet can retain west part of Poland. Intially Germany resisted but later during unification they accepted it. If you want to fight never ending war and spend billions of dollars then keep shouting we will get POK.Any act of crossing loc by either side will trigger war and World powers will be against that which crosses it. The question is what price is India ready to pay for POK. Is destruction of few Indian cities by nuclear valid price? The best solution LoC as permanent border Look, Its fact. I don’t want war so does most Indiians. Pakistan has occupied it by force. Pakistan has faught for it and still fighting for it despite reaching to verge of bankruptcy. India on the other hand, has lost many lives because it couldn’t take action militarily and diplomatically. It had no allies apart from Iran and Russia and had to bear economic clampdown and wrath of many eu/mideast/USA. For first time, we are reaching to a position where we are not having regular blasts in Indian cities and gap between India and Pakistan is rising in International diplomacy, economy and military. So , IMO, it has lasted for 70+ years. So , lets not do a Nehuru here and take decisions so quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autonomous Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, randomGuy said: GB Shias are like Kargil Shias i.e. happy with India... If we somehow secure Pakistan nukes, India has the capability to extract a surrender from pak in a full blown war inside 1 day imo, but 2 days max ... Despite that, I don't want pok( ie muzzafarabad) but I want gilgit baltistan...but it's upto the govt. Of course to decide whether they want take entire pok as well. Your buddy China won't sit quiet with some movement near Khunjerab and considering how strategic is GB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autonomous Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, mishra said: Look, Its fact. I don’t want war so does most Indiians. Pakistan has occupied it by force. Pakistan has faught for it and still fighting for it despite reaching to verge of bankruptcy. India on the other hand, has lost many lives because it couldn’t take action militarily and diplomatically. It had no allies apart from Iran and Russia and had to bear economic clampdown and wrath of many eu/mideast/USA. For first time, we are reaching to a position where we are not having regular blasts in Indian cities and gap between India and Pakistan is rising in International diplomacy, economy and military. So , IMO, it has lasted for 70+ years. So , lets not do a Nehuru here and take decisions so quickly Delusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 47 minutes ago, Autonomous said: Delusions. Which part? 1. Pakistan has occupied Kashmir illegally? 2. Pakistan has allmost reached to verge of bankruptcy by the cost of Kashmir fight? 3. India has taken unassailable lead in military diplomacy and economy against Pakistan? 4. Till end 20th century, Pakistan was competitive to India? 5. India has lost many life by terrism emanating from Pakistan? So if all of above wasn’t delusion, why do you think India should give up claim on PoK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Autonomous said: Your buddy China won't sit quiet with some movement near Khunjerab and considering how strategic is GB. You won’t fight a war with India for Kashmir but China will? Delusion Moochad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradlater Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 All the Pakistanis who have posted on this thread so far has agreed to the OP's solution. That alone proves what a preposterous suggestion it is. Thanks but no thanks. Moochad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autonomous Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, mishra said: Which part? 1. Pakistan has occupied Kashmir illegally? 2. Pakistan has allmost reached to verge of bankruptcy by the cost of Kashmir fight? 3. India has taken unassailable lead in military diplomacy and economy against Pakistan? 4. Till end 20th century, Pakistan was competitive to India? 5. India has lost many life by terrism emanating from Pakistan? So if all of above wasn’t delusion, why do you think India should give up claim on PoK? GB and AJK can never be part of India, nor can IOK be part of Pakistan. You are probably way too thick to understand that since you have started posting some irrelevant points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autonomous Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, mishra said: You won’t fight a war with India for Kashmir but China will? Delusion China's interest and investment in GB is huge. KKH itself is massive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autonomous Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 46 minutes ago, Stradlater said: All the Pakistanis who have posted on this thread so far has agreed to the OP's solution. That alone proves what a preposterous suggestion it is. Thanks but no thanks. What do you say? Nuke us? Start a war and kill people? Keep dreaming about some lala land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veer Posted September 17, 2019 Author Share Posted September 17, 2019 54 minutes ago, Stradlater said: All the Pakistanis who have posted on this thread so far has agreed to the OP's solution. That alone proves what a preposterous suggestion it is. Thanks but no thanks. I know that's surprising to me too.. but then, again, to look forward and make any type of progress, we have to go through this or else only War is the option to get the POK.. and are you willing to sacrifice lives for the land that many of us dont feel any connection and for those people who hate India? Even if, say war happens and we win it.. then what? you'll have to put up thousands of soldiers at that place to maintain peace for next decades.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 This is such a dumb idea and shows such lack of realpolitik. No country ever gives up a claim- never mind something they are legally in right at- without decisive, tangible gains. So what gains are there in recognizing LoC as international border ? Zero, zip, nada, zilch. It won’t stop the Pakistani from wanting out land. It won’t stop their terrorism. It won’t do anything. Stradlater, Moochad, mishra and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 3 hours ago, veer said: I know that's surprising to me too.. but then, again, to look forward and make any type of progress, we have to go through this or else only War is the option to get the POK.. and are you willing to sacrifice lives for the land that many of us dont feel any connection and for those people who hate India? Even if, say war happens and we win it.. then what? you'll have to put up thousands of soldiers at that place to maintain peace for next decades.. We can reassert claim 100 years from now, if situation is favourable, provided we maintain claim. Like China did with Tibet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veer Posted September 18, 2019 Author Share Posted September 18, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Muloghonto said: We can reassert claim 100 years from now, if situation is favourable, provided we maintain claim. Like China did with Tibet. And what about lives and funds and energy that gets wasted to maintain that claim? And do you feel any connection with muzzafarabad?.. heck I didn't even know it was part of Kashmir a month back... While J n K was always a part of India... Modi and Shah showed enormous guts to remove 370A.. and we would only gain from moving on as a country.. Edited September 18, 2019 by veer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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