Why Rishabh Pant is targeted

[ShoonyaSifar]

30 minutes ago, abc said:

Good point about the backup keeper spot. Someone like Akshay Wadkar would probably be next in line based on keeping alone, but it took an all-time great wicketkeeper like Saha to keep out Pant, so I am not holding my breath.

 

But now it seems like after Saha retires, we will not have a decent keeper for a long time - Pant has basically skewed the discussion towards batting skills again, after Saha repaired the damage done by Dhoni. In the end, Pant top-, inside- and outside-edging his way to a century in a lost cause in England, before slogging his way Tino-Best-style to another one on a highway in Australia has done more harm than good.

Really? We must have watched different innings then.

[tweaker]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news18.com/cricketnext/amp/news/yuvraj-singh-wants-end-to-criticism-of-rishabh-pant-calls-on-virat-kohli-to-help-2320803.html

 

Former India cricketer Yuvraj Singh on Tuesday called for an end to the constant criticism of Rishabh Pant, saying the young stumper-batsman desperately needs guidance from captain Virat Kohli or anyone who can understand his psyche.

Yuvraj said Pant doesn't deserve the criticism coming his way and needs the support of Kohli and head coach Ravi Shastri to overcome the slump. Pant has been drawing flak for failing to grab his chances and getting out to rash shots despite being given a long rope by the Indian team management.

"I really don't know what is happening with him (Rishabh). He is facing a lot of criticism which is not needed. Somebody needs to get the best out of him," Yuvraj said.
 

[tweaker]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sportstar.thehindu.com/cricket/india-bangladesh-t20-rajkot-rishabh-pant-ms-dhoni-drs-calls-gilchrist-cricket-news/article29889892.ece/amp/

 

Australian wicketkeeping great Adam Gilchrist had just one advice for the embattled Rishabh Pant — don’t try to be the next Mahendra Singh Dhoni just as he didn’t try to be Ian Healy 2.0.

Pant has been struggling to hold on to his place in the Indian team despite a resounding start to his career with Test hundreds on debut in England and Australia. In Sunday’s T20I match against Bangladesh, Pant also coped criticism for bad DRS calls, something that Dhoni had mastered.

Glichrist reiterated that the 22-year-old Pant should only focus on being his own best version instead of trying to ape the iconic former captain, who is currently on a sabbatical.

 

[Rasgulla]

On 11/5/2019 at 1:00 AM, New guy said:

Dhawan averages 28 in his entire career. Dont see him targeted. Dhoni played most t20 matches in the world and adored only 2 50s. Didnt see him targeted 

Those 50s and 100s milestones are only for your Mr. Tuk tuk master  costing India games..

[The Dark Horse]

Since it's a Wicketkeeper thread, there is another keeper who has played 32 T20Is, having an average of 33 at a strike rate of 143. And he's not playing. Just saying.

[Rightarmfast]

Pant is merely a pawn. There's bigger game which is being played. And its chess, not cricket.  Today its Pant, tomorrow it will be someone else.

[nevada]

13 hours ago, tweaker said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sportstar.thehindu.com/cricket/india-bangladesh-t20-rajkot-rishabh-pant-ms-dhoni-drs-calls-gilchrist-cricket-news/article29889892.ece/amp/

 

Australian wicketkeeping great Adam Gilchrist had just one advice for the embattled Rishabh Pant — don’t try to be the next Mahendra Singh Dhoni just as he didn’t try to be Ian Healy 2.0.

Pant has been struggling to hold on to his place in the Indian team despite a resounding start to his career with Test hundreds on debut in England and Australia. In Sunday’s T20I match against Bangladesh, Pant also coped criticism for bad DRS calls, something that Dhoni had mastered.

Glichrist reiterated that the 22-year-old Pant should only focus on being his own best version instead of trying to ape the iconic former captain, who is currently on a sabbatical.

 

Sabbatical from what? It's not like the selectors are eager to pick him. If he had retired after the WC, Pant wouldn't have to go through so much criticism.

[tweaker]

Pant should be promoted to no 3 batting position today

[Adamant]

On 11/5/2019 at 11:25 AM, Frustrated said:

When an over rated hack plays *** **** cricket for so long at international level,  are the fans going to target the opposition?   

Again,2 overseas century.

If thats a hack then we need more like him.

[Adamant]

On 11/6/2019 at 5:47 AM, The Dark Horse said:

Since it's a Wicketkeeper thread, there is another keeper who has played 32 T20Is, having an average of 33 at a strike rate of 143. And he's not playing. Just saying.

oh that ttf should just play domestics,did u learn nothing from 2019 world cup.This guy cant put bat on ball against real bowlers away from luxury of ipl pitches.

[Austin 3:!6]

I like Pant and TBH who wouldn't like an aggressive young dashing wicket keeper bat. That is the pipe dream for most teams. But pipe dreams are not always a reality. I think some of the criticism towards Pant are justified. It has got nothing to do with Dhoni as selectors have clearly said they are looking ahead and MS is no longer a part of their plan. However, just bcoz MS is no longer a part of the plan doesn't mean Pant can take his place for granted and gets relaxed.

 

He don't look assured at all with the gloves and needs to improve a lot behind the stumps. This was the main reason why a 33 yo Saha was brought back bcoz spinners felt much more assured with Saha as a keeper. Also, his game sense needs to improve. That DRS call in the last game was a howler. Even Rohit couldn't stop laughing. Another thing Pant need to improve is his fitness. He was looking really fat in the last match and was panting/coughing constantly after taking singles. And he is only 21 FFS

 

Now as far his batting is concerned, its not as if he is setting the world on fire with bat either. Yes he got a dead rubber century at the Oval and another brilliant one in Australia but rest are all failures. Also, its not only the amount of runs he scores but the way he gets out makes people critical towards him. Sometimes you need to play a decisive role in matches that matters most to live in people's memory forever. People still talk about Dhoni's WC final knock even though he had an average overall tournament. This year's Semi final was the perfect opportunity for Pant to shine and he was going well until  a brainfart and played that ugly shot to get out. That shot was the reason team mgmt lost faith in him. Imagine Pant taking India to victory in that game or even scoring 50+ in a losing cause (like Jadeja), people would be still praising him.

 

Also, lol @ people who are drawing parallel with MSD's early days. Someone who has followed Dhoni's career from the beginning, he looked much more assured both with bat & gloves from day 1. Sometimes it is not only about the amount of runs you score but how much assurance you give as a player to your captain. Since the time MS joined the team, management never even have to have a 2nd thought about back up keeper. With Pant, Kohli & mgmt is simply not getting that assurance.

 

For Pant to be permanent in the team...he needs to focus on these priorities:

 

1st Priority - Fitness. No excuse there.

2nd Priority - Glove work. As a keeper that is his main job.

3rd Priority - Sensible batting.

 

If he improves  on 1st and 2nd priority, he will be regular in the team even if 3rd one takes more time.

 

 

Edited November 7, 2019 by Austin 3:!6

[The Dark Horse]

4 hours ago, Adamant said:

oh that ttf should just play domestics,did u learn nothing from 2019 world cup.This guy cant put bat on ball against real bowlers away from luxury of ipl pitches.

ODIs and T20s not the same.

[Frustrated]

6 hours ago, Adamant said:

Again,2 overseas century.

If thats a hack then we need more like him.

Pant is just ****.   2 international hundreds overseas . LOL.   Shahid Afridi also has multiple centuries.   Your point being?

[Vijy]

On 11/7/2019 at 9:07 AM, Frustrated said:

Pant is just ****.   2 international hundreds overseas . LOL.   Shahid Afridi also has multiple centuries.   Your point being?

Afridi has 1 test century in WI and none in SENA. And he has 0 ODI centuries in SENA. and all this over a nearly 20-yr career as an international cricketer.

 

Pant has 2 test centuries in SENA and 0 in ODIs in about 2 yrs.

 

 

[Vijy]

On 11/4/2019 at 4:18 PM, Gollum said:

As a backer of Pant I believe some of the criticism is justified, 21 T20s is enough of a sample size to judge a player. There are 2-3 other keepers (not MSD) who are viable options. 30+ more T20s before the big event, if he can't find the right tempo for this format soon, we will have to move on. He is very young and a regular fixture in IPL, so not the end of the road....besides better to be abused and known than ignored and unknown. 

 

He has been treated harshly in ODIs, especially that whole circus in the lead up to WC but not in other formats. Again tempo problem but at least we have sufficient time before the next major event, with MS out of the picture he will get an extended run for sure.

 

Reg media noise, SM antics, bakwas by ex-players yada yada that is an inescapable part of the game today...at least be happy he is still part of the squads rubbing shoulders with some greats, a priceless educational experience (in most cases it accelerates learning curve) that eludes the likes of Gill, Shaw, Gopal, Saini etc. 

 

Reg tests Saha was deserving of that spot on home pitches because our bowlers are more confident in his (primary) keeping abilities...his batting isn't an issue in SC. In NZ I expect Pant to make a comeback, next home season will be in 2021 by which time Saha (37 then, injury problems....) would have surely called it quits or fallen way down the pecking order. So this is like a farewell season for him and he deserves it tbh, legendary keeper who was also damn unlucky with the wrong diagnosis by NCA medical team. Also it is not like Pant has been sitting idle in the nets, based on various interviews and reports it looks like Saha is helping him out with his keeping against the toughest bowling attack to keep to. Like the Healy/Gilchrist transition I think this will help the southpaw in the long run now that maestro has taken him under his wing....an opportunity not many budding keepers will get. 

 

Pant will be a regular test player starting from next year, aged 22....he has already played more white ball cricket than most Indian players at that young age. Really there is no need to feel sorry for him, long career ahead and this experience will toughen him up. 

indeed, there is too much frenzy. There is no clear alternative to him in tests for the future, so we can be sure that he will play them soon enough. as for T20s and ODIs, there are others breathing down his neck - but this is a good thing because no cricketer ought to take their place for granted; at the same time, it is quite ridiculous to see a lot of commentators, media and even some TM folks dumping on him excessively.

[vvvslaxman]

On 11/5/2019 at 5:01 AM, velu said:

i wont be surprised if our TM bring back DK  

He lives next to Rajini's house. Like he says in chandramukhi "One phone call saravana will appear" 

[vvvslaxman]

Harsh to drop him from Tests. Don't mind him being dropped from T20. KL Rahul can keep and you can draft Gill in.

[velu]

5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

He lives next to Rajini's house. Like he says in chandramukhi "One phone call saravana will appear" 

 

 

 

poes gardens ? .. DK might be super rich then .. JJ too stayed there ..

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, velu said:

 

 

 

poes gardens ? .. DK might be super rich then .. JJ too stayed there ..

back to back auction earned him 25 crores or something.

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Harsh to drop him from Tests. Don't mind him being dropped from T20. KL Rahul can keep and you can draft Gill in.

harsh to drop him from any format.....once u get a talent like n if he cannot be backed well then no one wud be. 

Cricketers take a lot of time to evolve - dnt forget yuvi, rohit, zak took 5-7 yrs