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Ishant's avg 32.94, Zak's 32.95


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6 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

Zak was a dud as a test bowler for  a good period of time before his county stint - this ruined his avg. He became a good test bowler in the second half of his career

 

Ishant's is pure inconsistency.

Zak was as inconsistent. Zak had just two good years and still was inconsistent. One of the most overrated bowler ever.  Consistency was hardly a problem with Ishant. His problem was lack of wicket taking weapon, not able to swing the ball or bowl right length. Now, he is doing everything right.

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6 hours ago, zen said:

Guys like Srinath and Zak did not enjoy support from other bowlers relatively esp. overseas 

For Zak, overseas record is good. Poor at home where he did have support from spinners. So not having support overseas didn't matter to him and it is not like Ishant had great support overseas. Bumrah has played 2-3 series and yadav has been poor overseas. Shami used to blow hot and cold.

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5 hours ago, rkt.india said:

it is not like Ishant had great support overseas. Bumrah has played 2-3 series and yadav has been poor overseas. Shami used to blow hot and cold.

 

Ishant doing really well in overseas tests has been when he has paired with Bumrah and Shami overseas, starting January 2018.

 

And Bumrah has played 4 series overseas ( not 2 or 3  )

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27 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Ishant doing really well in overseas tests has been when he has paired with Bumrah and Shami overseas, starting January 2018.

 

And Bumrah has played 4 series overseas ( not 2 or 3  )

We can say same about Zak. He had Sreesanth, RP and Ishant from mid 2000s.

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Zak the test bowler is incredibly overrated, Shami is already twice the bowler he could ever be. Mediocre till 2007, had a golden run in 2007-10 and then pathetic  in his final 3 years. Don't want to hate on anyone but enough of glorifying the past just for the sake of it. I was a huge fan of Zak post the 2007 Eng series and had a soft corner for him even when he was in sharp decline post 2011. But have to be reasonable here, we hyped him because of our low standards in fast bowling then. 

 

In ODIs however he was very good. 

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13 hours ago, Vilander said:

and it happens..bloody hell.

 

2 more solid years and the guy might hit under 30.

Lambu is one of the most mentally tough cricketers out there. Subject any other player to ridicule at the scale he faced for so long at a tender age (19-24) and no way will there be such a drastic turnaround, in fact others would wilt but Ishant has become the best version of himself. He seems to have developed a lot of cricket intelligence these last few years, knows his strengths and limitations and operates in the optimum zone. He has made his peace with the fact that a premiere support bowler is of more value than a mediocre alpha, takes humility. Watch how he has ceded space to Shami/Bumrah and is happy to fulfill the (secondary) workhorse role despite him being so senior and so much of improvement in his skills. Best thing is these guys work as a unit, no *ing ego or drama. 

Also a lot of credit to the Aussie legend....

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So we now have people on this forum criticising Zak!

 

The bowler who should be credited for starting the real fast bowling generation in India through his consistent performances from 2006-2011. Must have picked close to 175-180 test wickets in that period, was the 2nd best Test pacer in the world behind Steyn in those 5 years. Bowled so many match turning spells in India and outside.

 

He was done by 2011 though. Delayed his retirement by a couple of years. 

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