Trichromatic Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Who would have thought? Link to comment
rangeelaraja Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Zak was a dud as a test bowler for a good period of time before his county stint - this ruined his avg. He became a good test bowler in the second half of his career Ishant's is pure inconsistency. Link to comment
maniac Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 backed him even when his average was 38:00. Believed in him :) and people say I jinx Rightarmfast, Gollum and Mosher 1 2 Link to comment
zen Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Guys like Srinath and Zak did not enjoy support from other bowlers relatively esp. overseas Link to comment
Vilander Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 and it happens..bloody hell. 2 more solid years and the guy might hit under 30. Gollum 1 Link to comment
gattaca Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 1 hour ago, maniac said: backed him even when his average was 38:00. Believed in him :) and people say I jinx Ishant changed name to Isshant to escape the jinx Mosher 1 Link to comment
MechEng Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 51 minutes ago, Vilander said: and it happens..bloody hell. 2 more solid years and the guy might hit under 30. He'll go Jimmy Jimmy aaja aaja way and pick up 350 wickets before retiring. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 6 hours ago, rangeelaraja said: Zak was a dud as a test bowler for a good period of time before his county stint - this ruined his avg. He became a good test bowler in the second half of his career Ishant's is pure inconsistency. Zak was as inconsistent. Zak had just two good years and still was inconsistent. One of the most overrated bowler ever. Consistency was hardly a problem with Ishant. His problem was lack of wicket taking weapon, not able to swing the ball or bowl right length. Now, he is doing everything right. Gollum, ViruDilSeKhelo and AuxiliA 3 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 6 hours ago, zen said: Guys like Srinath and Zak did not enjoy support from other bowlers relatively esp. overseas For Zak, overseas record is good. Poor at home where he did have support from spinners. So not having support overseas didn't matter to him and it is not like Ishant had great support overseas. Bumrah has played 2-3 series and yadav has been poor overseas. Shami used to blow hot and cold. Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 5 hours ago, rkt.india said: it is not like Ishant had great support overseas. Bumrah has played 2-3 series and yadav has been poor overseas. Shami used to blow hot and cold. Ishant doing really well in overseas tests has been when he has paired with Bumrah and Shami overseas, starting January 2018. And Bumrah has played 4 series overseas ( not 2 or 3 ) Mosher 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 27 minutes ago, express bowling said: Ishant doing really well in overseas tests has been when he has paired with Bumrah and Shami overseas, starting January 2018. And Bumrah has played 4 series overseas ( not 2 or 3 ) We can say same about Zak. He had Sreesanth, RP and Ishant from mid 2000s. Link to comment
express bowling Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, rkt.india said: We can say same about Zak. He had Sreesanth, RP and Ishant from mid 2000s. I was not talking about Zak. I think Zak is the most over-rated Indian bowler ever ... and dislike the fact that he usually operated at less than 100%. Mosher, Vijy, adi B and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment
Gollum Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Zak the test bowler is incredibly overrated, Shami is already twice the bowler he could ever be. Mediocre till 2007, had a golden run in 2007-10 and then pathetic in his final 3 years. Don't want to hate on anyone but enough of glorifying the past just for the sake of it. I was a huge fan of Zak post the 2007 Eng series and had a soft corner for him even when he was in sharp decline post 2011. But have to be reasonable here, we hyped him because of our low standards in fast bowling then. In ODIs however he was very good. express bowling and AuxiliA 1 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 14 hours ago, maniac said: backed him even when his average was 38:00. Believed in him :) and people say I jinx I aggressively backed him when Faulkner hit him for 30 runs in an over, blamed Dhoni for mishandling him and called him names, got banned for a few months. Beat that. maniac 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Vilander said: and it happens..bloody hell. 2 more solid years and the guy might hit under 30. Lambu is one of the most mentally tough cricketers out there. Subject any other player to ridicule at the scale he faced for so long at a tender age (19-24) and no way will there be such a drastic turnaround, in fact others would wilt but Ishant has become the best version of himself. He seems to have developed a lot of cricket intelligence these last few years, knows his strengths and limitations and operates in the optimum zone. He has made his peace with the fact that a premiere support bowler is of more value than a mediocre alpha, takes humility. Watch how he has ceded space to Shami/Bumrah and is happy to fulfill the (secondary) workhorse role despite him being so senior and so much of improvement in his skills. Best thing is these guys work as a unit, no *ing ego or drama. Also a lot of credit to the Aussie legend.... Edited November 23, 2019 by Gollum AuxiliA, nevada, Vilander and 1 other 4 Link to comment
ShoonyaSifar Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 So we now have people on this forum criticising Zak! The bowler who should be credited for starting the real fast bowling generation in India through his consistent performances from 2006-2011. Must have picked close to 175-180 test wickets in that period, was the 2nd best Test pacer in the world behind Steyn in those 5 years. Bowled so many match turning spells in India and outside. He was done by 2011 though. Delayed his retirement by a couple of years. Cricwala and SUMO 2 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Saurabh Dubey 6 foot 5 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 Another clip of Kuldeep Suhaan 1 Link to comment
maniac Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 3 hours ago, Gollum said: I aggressively backed him when Faulkner hit him for 30 runs in an over, blamed Dhoni for mishandling him and called him names, got banned for a few months. Beat that. Please look at the thread of the actual game on ICF, you have no clue the hate I endured for team RISS on here Pratik77 1 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted November 23, 2019 Author Share Posted November 23, 2019 Ishant last 32 matches, 100 wickets, avg 23.02 Link to comment
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