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2 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

By all means play him as a batter if you thinkng he is good enough

 

But please dont classify him as an allrounder

They didn't even send him into bat until the innings almost ended. What's the point in picking him if they were gonna play safe by sending in Jaddu ahead of him? We can't afford to have 10 overs of mediocre bowling (Dube + Jadhav) + 10 overs of Jaddu and still expect to win.

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6 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

By all means play him as a batter if you thinkng he is good enough

 

But please dont classify him as an allrounder

Thank you kind sir for stating the truth. He is no all rounder or whatever that crap means.

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1 minute ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

The guy is on his debut. Cut him some slack.

 

This TM has properly destroyed our strike bowlers like Shami and Kuldeep into proper defensive bowlers. TM prefers 0/50 over 3/60 type of bowlers. Will reap the benefits in the months ahead.

 

No need to cut any slack. Need to understand the basic concept that at that level you cannot do two things.

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3 minutes ago, Khota said:

No need to cut any slack. Need to understand the basic concept that at that level you cannot do two things.

Can bowl 130+, can hit from ball 1. There is enough to work with there. Plus he's earned his spot after doing well in FC cricket and for the A team. Deserves a proper run

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1 minute ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Can bowl 130+, can hit from ball 1. There is enough to work with there. Plus he's earned his spot after doing well in FC cricket and for the A team. Deserves a proper run

That is such a vague quality. I am sure you can say the same about any mediocre player. 
 

I am not a fan of Pandya either but atleast he has performed in IPL and made a mark there.

 

Domestic performances have to be taken with a pinch of salt especially for allrounders. Jadeja has 3 300s, Rishi Dhawan was supposedly a top allrounder.

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Ever since they broke kulcha and started bringing batsmen who can bowl a bit and bowlers who can bat a bit we are screwed. Why you would change something which was working so well in past. Bowlers like bhuvi, jadeja, chahar and batter like jadhav won't win u anything. Why would you bring perennial failure like jadega , Karthik, rayadu and then new batch of Thakur, chahr , Shankar, krunal who are never going to get success 

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6 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Ever since they broke kulcha and started bringing batsmen who can bowl a bit and bowlers who can bat a bit we are screwed. Why you would change something which was working so well in past.

Lol even people on ICF were trashing Kulcha because they couldn't bat and wanted lower-order batsmen who could bat. As if they're going to win matches at No. 8.

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9 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Ever since they broke kulcha and started bringing batsmen who can bowl a bit and bowlers who can bat a bit we are screwed. Why you would change something which was working so well in past. Bowlers like bhuvi, jadeja, chahar and batter like jadhav won't win u anything. Why would you bring perennial failure like jadega , Karthik, rayadu and then new batch of Thakur, chahr , Shankar, krunal who are never going to get success 

Because our management and fans are greedy. We lost the semifinal also because of this thinking.

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2 minutes ago, TNAmarkFromIndia said:

Lol even people on ICF were trashing Kulcha because they couldn't bat and wanted lower-order batsmen who could bat. As if they're going to win matches at No. 8.

Kulcha were never bashed for their batting however they were bashed for their mental block in bowling at occasions. But at least they own these foreign batsmen for 2 years until last aus series which we lost.

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Dube is a middle order batsman cum big hitter who can bowl a bit.

 

On ODI debut, TM uses him as a bowler who can bat a bit  ( 5th bowler cum 8th batsman  )

 

And we are seeing the results.

 

(  This TM would perhaps have used debutant Yuvraj or Ganguly as bowlers who can bat a bit  ... not that I am saying that Dube is as good as the 2 superstars ... but pointing out their reading of the game and player types )

 

Edited by express bowling

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7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Dube is a middle order batsman cum big hitter who can bowl a bit.

 

On ODI debut, TM uses him as a bowler who can bat a bit  ( 5th bowler cum 8th batsman  )

 

And we are seeing the results.

 

(  This TM would perhaps have used debutant Yuvraj or Ganguly as bowlers who can bat a bit  ... not that I am saying that Dube is as good as the 2 superstars ... but pointing out their reading of the game and player types )

 

Hammered it nicely.

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1 hour ago, nevada said:

They didn't even send him into bat until the innings almost ended. What's the point in picking him if they were gonna play safe by sending in Jaddu ahead of him? We can't afford to have 10 overs of mediocre bowling (Dube + Jadhav) + 10 overs of Jaddu and still expect to win.

you nailed it.

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9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Dube is a middle order batsman cum big hitter who can bowl a bit.

 

On ODI debut, TM uses him as a bowler who can bat a bit  ( 5th bowler cum 8th batsman  )

 

And we are seeing the results.

 

(  This TM would perhaps have used debutant Yuvraj or Ganguly as bowlers who can bat a bit  ... not that I am saying that Dube is as good as the 2 superstars ... but pointing out their reading of the game and player types )

 

Okay, who are they supposed to play? This team needs bowlers who can bat not the other way around.But do we have any such players?Who could be ready for next T20.

 

They need to give Dubey extended run as he is only of the few guys who can tonk the ball.

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Pie chucker. I said this in match thread. If he can't make it in the side as a pure batsman, don't select him. No movement, just 125 kph length balls. Cannon fodder anywhere in the world 

Edited by ganeshran

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I am not sure whether he is a OD cricketer. This braindead TM lead by Kohli could have used him in place of Jadhav and test his batting capabilities while also playing another bowler. Because it's apparent his batting will determine his future. But obviously Kohli went for Jadhav and also bowled him. 

I hope this match finally puts the nail in the coffin of Jadhav the bowler. He has had his run, got really exposed now.

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19 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Dube is a middle order batsman cum big hitter who can bowl a bit.

 

On ODI debut, TM uses him as a bowler who can bat a bit  ( 5th bowler cum 8th batsman  )

 

And we are seeing the results.

 

(  This TM would perhaps have used debutant Yuvraj or Ganguly as bowlers who can bat a bit  ... not that I am saying that Dube is as good as the 2 superstars ... but pointing out their reading of the game and player types )

 

The insistence on rewarding Jadeja with an extended white ball audition as allrounder, for his successful contributions in test cricket, is irritating the f** out of me.  Ajinkya Rahane was given the same indulgence in T20 cricket -only cost us a WC played at home.  

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7 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Okay, who are they supposed to play? This team needs bowlers who can bat not the other way around.But do we have any such players?Who could be ready for next T20.

 

They need to give Dubey extended run as he is only of the few guys who can tonk the ball.

 

Play Dube 

 

Make him bat at 6 or 7 ... and use him as the 6th bowler.

 

 

We don't necessarily need bowlers who can bat a bit, especially for T20s.

 

Even if we needed one, you don't choose a batsman who can bowl a bit ... to fill the need of a bowler who can bat a bit.   (  A zoo needs a monkey ... you don't dress and use a giraffe as a monkey to fill that need  )

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30 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Okay, who are they supposed to play? This team needs bowlers who can bat not the other way around.But do we have any such players?Who could be ready for next T20.

 

They need to give Dubey extended run as he is only of the few guys who can tonk the ball.

Shreyas Gopal is a good bowler and can bat a bit. I would give him a chance.

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6 minutes ago, nevada said:

Shreyas Gopal is a good bowler and can bat a bit. I would gibe him a chance.

Is he better than Jadeja, the answer is no so why try him.Dubey is playing because he can bowl so called medium pace.

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31 minutes ago, sandeep said:

The insistence on rewarding Jadeja with an extended white ball audition as allrounder, for his successful contributions in test cricket, is irritating the f** out of me.  Ajinkya Rahane was given the same indulgence in T20 cricket -only cost us a WC played at home.  

Bring back pujara in LOIs

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1 hour ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Can bowl 130+, can hit from ball 1. There is enough to work with there. Plus he's earned his spot after doing well in FC cricket and for the A team. Deserves a proper run

Just because you can hit a speed of 130 does not make you a bowler. You do understand that or don't you?

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Just now, Khota said:

Just because you can hit a speed of 130 does not make you a bowler. You do understand that or don't you?

I agree it does not make him a bowler but do we have any alternatives?Pandya or Stuart Binny playing for India was also a by product of team needing their skill set more than them being super talented.

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1 minute ago, putrevus said:

I agree it does not make him a bowler but do we have any alternatives?Pandya or Stuart Binny playing for India was also a by product of team needing their skill set more than them being super talented.

There is no alternative at that level. Team needs to decide whether they need a specialist bat or bowler. Today they needed a specialist bowler. Allrounders do not exist like I have said before.

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1 minute ago, Khota said:

Dubey and Jadeja comparison is stupid. Jadeja >>>>>>>>> Dubey

 

Does Dubey mean sink?

I did not compare Dubey to Jadeja. I was just saying Dubey is needed for this team.Both are needed, once Pandya comes back Dubey can go but Jadeja still stays.

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1 minute ago, putrevus said:

I did not compare Dubey to Jadeja. I was just saying Dubey is needed for this team.Both are needed, once Pandya comes back Dubey can go but Jadeja still stays.

The way he is currently playing Jadeja is a must for the team. I am not so sure of Pandya either.

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1 hour ago, Stan AF said:

Because our management and fans are greedy. We lost the semifinal also because of this thinking.

We would have won that semi, if we had played shami, and if only ind lost 1 less wicket at the top. That was most heart breaking unlucky loss in last few years,  in such a crucial match.

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1 minute ago, Khota said:

There is no alternative at that level. Team needs to decide whether they need a specialist bat or bowler. Today they needed a specialist bowler. Allrounders do not exist like I have said before.

They cannot decide, it is not easy to play to 5 bowlers like Chahal,Kuldeep and Bumrah who are so useless with bat.This team needs bowlers who can bat,I would say guy like Mavi but is he ready?

 

Dubey or Pandya  are not allrounders, they are bits and pieces players but they are needed for this team in shorter formats.

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3 minutes ago, Khota said:

The way he is currently playing Jadeja is a must for the team. I am not so sure of Pandya either.

Thats why I laugh when people complain about Jadeja's spot in the team.He is a must in odis and tests. T20s it is debatable.

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Just now, SrinjayDutta said:

Sadly, jadeja's bowling has regressed a lot. He is still good as a fifth bowler, and max bat at 7, not the best though.

I don't think he regressed, Jadeja is/was always a bowler who needs help from pitch.People want Kulcha to play togther along with Bumrah but that makes team's batting zero after no 4 given state of mind of Pant.

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