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Sickular @sandeep 

 

Can you please explain what is so funny about my OP and why you reacted with a laughing icon? 
 

The exact same people that didn’t want to live with us are now begging and crying for citizenship to our country! 
 

These idiots already got 2 countries. They should live and die there! 

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5 hours ago, SecondSlip said:

Do you know that there was a partition? Do you know that it was demanded by Muslims? Do you know that they got two separate countries? Do you know that presently there are two Islamic republics in the subcontinent?

So we are to give up land and resources in 1947 for Muslims, then we also take in illegal Muslim immigrants from these Islamic republics.

What are we? Fools?

Ok sir, as you wish!

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What liberals and Islamists opposing CAA are doing is basically called Negationasism. If you deny what happened in history, repeatadly, it will be called a false narrative. So, partition didn't happen, and before that  Islamic invaders didn't destroy temples or practised Iconoclasm, we only have to believe that anything we speak against Islam is Islamophobia and will be branded a bigot and a racist. classic. This is how organized religion won over what is called as paganism by them.

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35 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

What liberals and Islamists opposing CAA are doing is basically called Negationasism. If you deny what happened in history, repeatadly, it will be called a false narrative. So, partition didn't happen, and before that  Islamic invaders didn't destroy temples or practised Iconoclasm, we only have to believe that anything we speak against Islam is Islamophobia and will be branded a bigot and a racist. classic. This is how organized religion won over what is called as paganism by them.

How can you prove religious persecution? What is the process? Has anything been outlined? Or if you belong to a religious minority and from these countries, you will handed an automatic citizenship? That does not seem fair when India already has too many people. And if persecution is the key, then why limit it to certain religions.

 

Here in US before Trump, you can claim official refugee status on grounds of persecution. Then your case will be heard in immigration courts and you have burden of proof lies on the applicant. You have to have credible story. Otherwise anyone can come and claim citizenship.

 

Finally, I agree some liberals equate criticism of Islam to Islamophobia. But not all. I have criticized Islam. The problem is when start painting with a broad brush and stereotyping. I am not ignorant enough to think Muslim invaders did not come and pillage the country. I read that in history in secondary school. I distinctly remember reading how tyrant Allauddin Khilji and Aurangzeb were with forced conversions and tax on non-Muslims. But some of the invaders stayed back and whether you like it or not, are part of Indian history. India is Hindu majority, but is secular country on principle with division of church and state. Some want to make it a Hindu republic, and that is not  OK with me. That is what we accuse the padosis that they let religion rule their life. However, Muslims are not a monolith. You talk about organized religion winning, Hinduism the way it is preached now in India is not an organized religion? We would far less problems in this world if we did not have organized religion.

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Audiophile said:

How can you prove religious persecution? What is the process? Has anything been outlined? Or if you belong to a religious minority and from these countries, you will handed an automatic citizenship? That does not seem fair when India already has too many people. And if persecution is the key, then why limit it to certain religions.

 

Here in US before Trump, you can claim official refugee status on grounds of persecution. Then your case will be heard in immigration courts and you have burden of proof lies on the applicant. You have to have credible story. Otherwise anyone can come and claim citizenship.

 

Finally, I agree some liberals equate criticism of Islam to Islamophobia. But not all. I have criticized Islam. The problem is when start painting with a broad brush and stereotyping. I am not ignorant enough to think Muslim invaders did not come and pillage the country. I read that in history in secondary school. I distinctly remember reading how tyrant Allauddin Khilji and Aurangzeb were with forced conversions and tax on non-Muslims. But some of the invaders stayed back and whether you like it or not, are part of Indian history. India is Hindu majority, but is secular country on principle with division of church and state. Some want to make it a Hindu republic, and that is not  OK with me. That is what we accuse the padosis that they let religion rule their life. However, Muslims are not a monolith. You talk about organized religion winning, Hinduism the way it is preached now in India is not an organized religion? We would far less problems in this world if we did not have organized religion.

 

 

Hindu republic is just a unifier for anti-islam forces - Hindus Sikhs buddhists jains agnostics atheists Christians secular-Muslims parsis Jews etc....a unifier that nothing else can be...

 

Are Secular Muslims anti-islamic - yes they are.

 

is democracy a unifier? No, it made sure that vote-bank divisions remain for ever.

 

My opinion is to make India a democratic Hindu republic..

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21 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

Hindu republic is just a unifier for anti-islam forces - Hindus Sikhs buddhists jains agnostics atheists Christians secular-Muslims parsis Jews etc....a unifier that nothing else can be...

 

Are Secular Muslims anti-islamic - yes they are.

 

is democracy a unifier? No, it made sure that vote-bank divisions remain for ever.

 

My opinion is to make India a democratic Hindu republic..

A secular democratic Hindu republic is an oxymoron. You think the Christians in India do not proselytize? Go and see outside Tirupati temple.

 

Organized religion can never be a unifier.

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10 minutes ago, Audiophile said:

A secular democratic Hindu republic is an oxymoron. You think the Christians in India do not proselytize? Go and see outside Tirupati temple.

 

Organized religion can never be a unifier.

In defense from an evil, it is the only unifier...

 

And shouldn't think about it as enforcing Hindu rituals etc. It is about everyone fighting under 1 flag...

 

India was a 100% Hindu country when it allowed Parsis (Zoroastrian),  Jews etc. To flourish without persecution...the problem is not with Hinduism, but with the other religion in question...so, I am sorry to say that your bookish knowledge isn't applicable here.

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3 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

In defense from an evil, it is the only unifier...

 

And shouldn't think about it as enforcing Hindu rituals etc. It is about everyone fighting under 1 flag...

 

India was a 100% Hindu country when it allowed Parsis (Zoroastrian),  Jews etc. To flourish without persecution...the problem is not with Hinduism, but with the other religion in question...so, I am sorry to say that your bookish knowledge isn't applicable here.

OK whatever ... as you say!

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2 minutes ago, Audiophile said:

OK whatever ... as you say!

I may have come across as if I don't respect your viewpoint...I respect it, making India a Hindu republic will come with complications and consequences and govt. should be very very careful about it , think thru each and every aspect before implementing , if at all.

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36 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

I may have come across as if I don't respect your viewpoint...I respect it, making India a Hindu republic will come with complications and consequences and govt. should be very very careful about it , think thru each and every aspect before implementing , if at all.

Anytime you base your country on a certain demographic or religion, you are on a slippery slope. Now you despise Muslims, next it will be Sikhs, etc. A country like India cannot be a Hindu republic and still maintain its secular ideals. Countries where the population is very homogenous in terms of race or religion like Japan, it may be possible. But not India. There is too much diversity. Unity through diversity can only be exercised through secular means. Does that mean you coddle and pander to the Muslim minority like many political parties do? No, I do not agree with that either. Religion is between you and your god and that is how it should be. The laws of the country will come from secular principles as laid out in the consitution. This is not bookish knowledge. The founding Fathers of USA realized this more than two centuries back because they or their predecessors were fleeing from religious persecution in Europe.

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Anytime you base your country on a certain demographic or religion, you are on a slippery slope. Now you despise Muslims, next it will be Sikhs, etc. A country like India cannot be a Hindu republic and still maintain its secular ideals. Countries where the population is very homogenous in terms of race or religion like Japan, it may be possible. But not India. There is too much diversity. Unity through diversity can only be exercised through secular means. Does that mean you coddle and pander to the Muslim minority like many political parties do? No, I do not agree with that either. Religion is between you and your god and that is how it should be. The laws of the country will come from secular principles as laid out in the consitution. This is not bookish knowledge. The founding Fathers of USA realized this more than two centuries back because they or their predecessors were fleeing from religious persecution in Europe.
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9 minutes ago, Audiophile said:

Anytime you base your country on a certain demographic or religion, you are on a slippery slope. Now you despise Muslims, next it will be Sikhs, etc. A country like India cannot be a Hindu republic and still maintain its secular ideals. Countries where the population is very homogenous in terms of race or religion like Japan, it may be possible. But not India. There is too much diversity. Unity through diversity can only be exercised through secular means. Does that mean you coddle and pander to the Muslim minority like many political parties do? No, I do not agree with that either. Religion is between you and your god and that is how it should be. The laws of the country will come from secular principles as laid out in the consitution. This is not bookish knowledge. The founding Fathers of USA realized this more than two centuries back because they or their predecessors were fleeing from religious persecution in Europe.

I just gave you examples of when India was unofficially a Hindu country as all the inhabitants were Hindu, that time also parsi (Zoroastrian) and Jews found peace here...

 

I don't hate muslims. I think when such accusations (of hating Muslims) comes without proof, mostly the accusing person has a superiority complex and just using the accusation to take the debate to a different direction...but I won't tell you that you are doing any of that.

 

USA situation is different. If canada, Mexico were muslim countries and even Pacific ocean was a continent inhabited by just Muslims, you could have compared today's India's situation with that of USA-foundingfathers'.

 

Many things are unthinkable at first ...but when they happen they seem only natural and common-sense. I am not saying declare Hindu rashtra in haste...but think in that direction all aspects etc. as It's a very very big decision in terms of possible complications that I can't emphasize enough..

 

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1 hour ago, randomGuy said:

I just gave you examples of when India was unofficially a Hindu country as all the inhabitants were Hindu, that time also parsi (Zoroastrian) and Jews found peace here...

 

I don't hate muslims. I think when such accusations (of hating Muslims) comes without proof, mostly the accusing person has a superiority complex and just using the accusation to take the debate to a different direction...but I won't tell you that you are doing any of that.

 

USA situation is different. If canada, Mexico were muslim countries and even Pacific ocean was a continent inhabited by just Muslims, you could have compared today's India's situation with that of USA-foundingfathers'.

 

Many things are unthinkable at first ...but when they happen they seem only natural and common-sense. I am not saying declare Hindu rashtra in haste...but think in that direction all aspects etc. as It's a very very big decision in terms of possible complications that I can't emphasize enough..

 

Some good points have been made here which I was thinking not too long ago. 

 

Every Country has its own distinct  history , demographies and  neighbours  so there is no one set of rules which fits all. Offcourse Secularism is the best option for a Wealthy Homogeneous Nation like Finland with no external and internal threats to their way of living but why must the Jews who have been historically persecuted all around the World not establish Israel as a Jewish Protective State?  

 

The Hindu Civilization has been facing an Islamic Onslaught for over a 1000 years and has lost  huge chunks of Land which are now Islamic States while India  still remains home to one of the largest Muslim population in the World, and yet the leftists are following the Ostrich mentality and continue to pretend that all is well and India/Hindus face no threat from Islamists in the future . Infact,  the mythical Saffron Terror and Hindu Taliban are their biggest worries so its not difficult to conclude that their primary motive is to triviliaze and deny the existence of Islamic threat. 

 

Even Nepal was a Hindu Kingdom till 2008 and it was nothing like some Hindu Version of Taliban that the dishonest  leftists would like you to believe. Maybe its very late today but if India was declared a  Dharmic/Hindu Republic in 1947 , it might not have been a bad move. However there is no room for debate with leftists on this issue,  because they are the All Knowing and Most Wise who can do no wrong and only their opinions should matter.  If you dont follow them like herd, then you are going down the path of destruction and genocide. They just employ these shaming tactics to control and get others to do what they want and conform to their way of thinking.  These are the same people who spread paranoia against Modi like how Modi will conduct a Nationwide genocide against innocent angels ( Muslims)  after coming to power or how Trump will do the same to Non-White Minorities hence we must not vote them at any cost. Its no wonder why we are witnessing the rise of Right Wing populists all around the World.

 

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Lol, USA is Christian in it's character, no two ways about it and there's nothing wrong in that.It was founded in the principles of Quakerism and Puritinism after all.Church bells toll every hour , not any other bells or anything.As a resident, people respect the majoritarion nature.

 

Similarly India is built upon the Dharmic principles of tolerance and acceptance and needs to have Dharmic undertones.End of.

 

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9 hours ago, SecondSlip said:

Sickular @sandeep 

 

Can you please explain what is so funny about my OP and why you reacted with a laughing icon? 
 

The exact same people that didn’t want to live with us are now begging and crying for citizenship to our country! 
 

These idiots already got 2 countries. They should live and die there! 

Because your logic is quite Pakistani.  Partition was inflicted on India based on spurious reasons, the history of Pakistan and Bangladesh gives tons of evidence of the foolishness of religious secessionism and basing nationhood on religion.  And now you are attempting to use those mistakes to justify new ones.

 

India is not Pakistan.  And shouldn't try to become one. 

 

I have nothing against providing asylum, and fast-track asylum for minorities from Pak/BD.  But what the BJP has done, is politically weaponize that legislation, and market it by deploying dog-whistles of prejudice.  And now to pretend that their intent is innocent and that all they are doing is giving fair treatment to refugees is bullsh**.  It is quite clear to anybody with an objective view, that their goal isn't just to give refugees a path to citizenship - its to stir up social polarization.  And just like I have zero tolerance for those who commit violence, vandalism in the name of protest, I have zero tolerance for that kind of nonsense in the name of politics or social justice.  Whether its of the commie left-wing flavor, or the Bhakt right-wing flavor.  Both are stupid, both are expensive and harmful to the  country.  

 

Besides, there is just so much wrong with your topical post, so many dumb-ass inaccurate assumptions that I can only laugh at them.

 

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I think if it just mentioned religiously providing citizenship to religiously  persecuted people of Pakistan Bangladesh Afghanistan it would have been ok. 

The way it excludes Muslims in its present form it does not go with the secular constitution of India. 

That said the protests over it have reached quite an unexpected scale knowing the fact that it doesn't impact any Indian citizen. 

 

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13 hours ago, Audiophile said:

How can you prove religious persecution? What is the process? Has anything been outlined? Or if you belong to a religious minority and from these countries, you will handed an automatic citizenship? That does not seem fair when India already has too many people. And if persecution is the key, then why limit it to certain religions.

The CAA is for people who are already here, There are 31500 odd people who are registered as refugees and have migrated because of persecution. We read about forced conversions, abductions, blasphemy laws etc every day. There are NGOs in Rajasthan, MP that vet these people and government also verfies their stories. The process takes 11 years to become naturalized citizens, they are given a 5 year rihai by this CAA. Non-muslims couldn't migrate out of Pak, while Muslims (all sects) whole heartedly wanted Pakistan creation. Why include them to get back? If they want to come back, let them give us their piece of land as well.

13 hours ago, Audiophile said:

Here in US before Trump, you can claim official refugee status on grounds of persecution. Then your case will be heard in immigration courts and you have burden of proof lies on the applicant. You have to have credible story. Otherwise anyone can come and claim citizenship.

It is the same with every country for refugees. India is no different, USA has a preferrence for persecuted Christians and Jews. If India has the same UN HR is objecting, they don't have the balls to object to USA!

 

13 hours ago, Audiophile said:

Finally, I agree some liberals equate criticism of Islam to Islamophobia. But not all. I have criticized Islam. The problem is when start painting with a broad brush and stereotyping. I am not ignorant enough to think Muslim invaders did not come and pillage the country. I read that in history in secondary school. I distinctly remember reading how tyrant Allauddin Khilji and Aurangzeb were with forced conversions and tax on non-Muslims. But some of the invaders stayed back and whether you like it or not, are part of Indian history. India is Hindu majority, but is secular country on principle with division of church and state. Some want to make it a Hindu republic, and that is not  OK with me. That is what we accuse the padosis that they let religion rule their life. However, Muslims are not a monolith. You talk about organized religion winning, Hinduism the way it is preached now in India is not an organized religion? We would far less problems in this world if we did not have organized religion.

 

 

Nobody is making a Hindu Rashtra, it is the fear-mongering of INC and Left to darao Muslims and keep BJP out of power. Not going to happen, if non-Muslims unite and vote.

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4 hours ago, sandeep said:

Because your logic is quite Pakistani.  Partition was inflicted on India based on spurious reasons, the history of Pakistan and Bangladesh gives tons of evidence of the foolishness of religious secessionism and basing nationhood on religion.  And now you are attempting to use those mistakes to justify new ones.

Partition happened for only ONE reason, Muslims didn't want to live under majority Hindus. Ambedkar and others who later agreed for Partition, recommended population exchange. That would have had everlasting peace. Since, it started with that intention, when Muslims from UP/Bihar started outpouring to Sindh/Punjab, they got scared and stopped the trains. Nehru/Liaquat agreed to treat minorities with respect. But, they didn't keep their word. So, we are correcting a historical wrong imparted on non-Muslims and who are already taking refuge in India were given citizenship. India is not making a Hindu Pakistan as the fear mongering that is being carried out by INC and the Left to scare Muslims in India.

4 hours ago, sandeep said:

India is not Pakistan.  And shouldn't try to become one. 

With Hindu Majority, it will never be a Pakistan because Hinduism has always been plural and accepting all as equal. Minorities in India are the luckiest ones because of a Hindu majority. 

4 hours ago, sandeep said:

I have nothing against providing asylum, and fast-track asylum for minorities from Pak/BD.  But what the BJP has done, is politically weaponize that legislation, and market it by deploying dog-whistles of prejudice.  And now to pretend that their intent is innocent and that all they are doing is giving fair treatment to refugees is bullsh**.  It is quite clear to anybody with an objective view, that their goal isn't just to give refugees a path to citizenship - its to stir up social polarization.  And just like I have zero tolerance for those who commit violence, vandalism in the name of protest, I have zero tolerance for that kind of nonsense in the name of politics or social justice.  Whether its of the commie left-wing flavor, or the Bhakt right-wing flavor.  Both are stupid, both are expensive and harmful to the  country.  

You are contradicting yourself. You say, you have nothing against asylum seekers and fast-tracking them, but see ulterior motive of BJP when they did the very same thing you said formerly. How is this a dog-whistle of prejudice when they are not banning Muslims from taking refuge like Trump did. Read the CAA and it's purpose. It is exactly the same as "providing asylum, and fast-track asylum for minorities from Pak/BD."

4 hours ago, sandeep said:

Besides, there is just so much wrong with your topical post, so many dumb-ass inaccurate assumptions that I can only laugh at them.

 

 

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3 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

it is the fear-mongering of INC and Left to darao Muslims

The "fear-mongering" was done by Shri Amit Shah himself.  But bhakts do tend to prefer finger-pointing and blaming Congress and Left for anything and everything.  

 

And of course your political opponents are going to milk the advantage you hand to them on a platter - its the BJP's own stupidity and political choices that have made the CAA so political.  You can't play with fire, and then whine like a little baby when your pants start burning.  

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3 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

You are contradicting yourself. You say, you have nothing against asylum seekers and fast-tracking them, but see ulterior motive of BJP when they did the very same thing you said formerly. How is this a dog-whistle of prejudice when

When Amit Shah repeatedly gives campaign speeches, where he touts the one-two punch of CAA + NRC, and how he will first make sure that hindus, buddhists, sikhs, christians, parsis are all protected by CAA, and then use the NRC to get rid of termites and infiltrators - that is as naked a dog-whistle as it gets.  

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3 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

India is not making a Hindu Pakistan as the fear mongering that is being carried out by INC and the Left to scare Muslims in India.

Its a fool's errand when you start writing laws on citizenship that are driven by religion.  Yes, Pakistanis fabricated themselves a country for "muslims".  But India didn't do vice versa.  We are the motherland for all Indians. Pakistan's mistakes and religion based choices should not be used to selectively give preferential treatment to non-muslims, and definitely not used to hound and harass muslims.  Such a methodology goes against the founding ethos of our country.  That is what I mean when I say we should not turn into Pakistan.  

 

When folks trot out shitty logic like "muslims they voted for Pakistan, India is for Hindus", we should have a "dharmic rashtra" etc - all that is stupidity, and Pakistani logic.

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3 minutes ago, sandeep said:

When Amit Shah repeatedly gives campaign speeches, where he touts the one-two punch of CAA + NRC, and how he will first make sure that hindus, buddhists, sikhs, christians, parsis are all protected by CAA, and then use the NRC to get rid of termites and infiltrators - that is as naked a dog-whistle as it gets.  

Again, don't be a blind opposition. CAA will only fast-track existing refugees. He didn't say they will fast-track grant citizenship to all minroties who will come in the future.  CAA/NRC always have a cut-off date. It is not open season to enter a soverign country. Yes, the illegals are nothing but organisms that infest in the society and eat away the weak.

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3 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Again, don't be a blind opposition. CAA will only fast-track existing refugees. He didn't say they will fast-track grant citizenship to all minroties who will come in the future.  CAA/NRC always have a cut-off date. It is not open season to enter a soverign country. Yes, the illegals are nothing but organisms that infest in the society and eat away the weak.

See my thread that I started with the topic "CAA seems to be OK, but NRC is the problem".  I'm not "blind".  You are being intentionally disingenuous by talking about just CAA.  

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3 minutes ago, sandeep said:

@coffee_rules Riddle me this, let's say I am a Bangladeshi muslim who came to India before 2014.  What is to stop me from claiming asylum under CAA as a non-muslim, and then once I become an Indian citizen, to "convert" to Islam?  

 

 

If he is claiming to be a non-muslim, he will have to prove it. He can't have a name like Hanif Choudry and claim to be persecuted. The citizenship is for those who registrer for refuge. What we have is illegal migration with no registration, but they bribe their way to get aadhar card/voter ID etc. There are more than 20 million illegals as per the data released by INC (Shashi Tharoor himself).  IEven if Hanif gets caught, he can apply for regular asylum that takes 11 years.

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4 minutes ago, sandeep said:

See my thread that I started with the topic "CAA seems to be OK, but NRC is the problem".  I'm not "blind".  You are being intentionally disingenuous by talking about just CAA.  

There are no drafts of NRC released yet, all these protests are for CAA only. NRC (citizen registration cards) is there in most countries. I have said the same even in that thread. These protests are like unmarried women registering FIRs against their future wife-beating husbands! The silent majority is bearing the protests in muted restrain. Once they also start showing open support on the streets, we can see how these current protests will be subdued. It can't sustain for long. 

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19 hours ago, Yoda-esque said:

Yes that's why my car plate says " in God we trust"....

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US was founded on Judeo-Christian principles since most of the Founding Fathers were white and of Western Europe lineage, probably more Anglo-Saxon than anything else. Mention of God does not give preference to one religion over other. No one claims that they were not religious or spiritual. However, they knew better to create clear separation of church and state. Secularism does not imply atheism. It simply mean you do not make laws based on your religious preferences and that you have the freedom to follow your religion of choice. Now do all Americans take this to heart? Of course not, I have friends who would rather US be a Christian state. However, I think most reasonable people know to respect the Constitution.

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For those who hasnt got time or whose internet have been hijacked by Congress and anti CAA goons. Few thought provoking questions/statements/facts made. Not exact words, but with similar meaning.

1.On 7th July 1947, Gandhiji said, Not just citizenship, India has moral, ethical responsibility, duty of care, and may go to war with Pakistan on religious persecution of people living in newly created Pakistan.

2. As soon as Pakistan was declared Islamic republic, it automatically means, a declaration that ever non Muslim in that land as unequal and Jimmi. hence religiously persecuted.

3. He asks why is it allways young women who are charged with blasphemy laws? Why is it young non Muslim women who allways convert to Islam? Why not older women or others?

4. He says, Muslim league which was responsible fort partition, rebranded itself in Communism. i.e. they are people with Same set of divisive ideologies, just new name. In 1949, same communisties  in Aligarh station harrassed Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan.

 

5. Vande Matram is Sajada-e-Mohabbat and not Ibadat, Hence singing Vande Matram is not anti Islamic. Infact it was Ravindra Nath Tagore who was first to oppose Vande Matram. Muslim bodies came to know about it lot later. He makes revelation that even Jinnah used to sing it before idea of Pakistan was born.

6.. Sanatan Dharma clearly means everyone living between Himalaya and Indian Ocean, with whatever mode of worship is a Hindu. Ignorance leads to fear, Fear leads to hatred. CAA, NRC is nothing new, Its being proposed again and again since 1971 and 1985. he puts various names commisions reposrts and statement of Parliamentarian including Kapil Sibbal.

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20 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

i dont think anybody cares about hindus or muslim immigrants with this bill,they are worried the state will use this bill to make them stateless if they cant prove citizenship  and they have a good case with BJPs horrendous track record.

Any solutions?

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15 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

Any solutions?

obvious ones but none of which the BJP will implement.they could have done this properly,this was actually a Congress idea.BJP just had to bring religion into it and they messed up like everything they do,they are incapable of doing anything properly from GST  to 370 to this.

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28 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

obvious ones but none of which the BJP will implement.they could have done this properly,this was actually a Congress idea.BJP just had to bring religion into it and they messed up like everything they do,they are incapable of doing anything properly from GST  to 370 to this.

How? To be sure, We are talking about giving citizenship to religious minorities of neighbors who came to India due to persecution. If it was a Congress idea, why wasn't it being implemented, 

1. Migrants Minorities living like s hit in India without citizenship.

2. No accountability of Pakistan like country who treat minorities like so. Now it's getting more focus. Rather than hidden under the carpet even by earlier Indian govt.

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40 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

obvious ones but none of which the BJP will implement.they could have done this properly,this was actually a Congress idea.BJP just had to bring religion into it and they messed up like everything they do,they are incapable of doing anything properly from GST  to 370 to this.

How would you have done 370 differently?

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17 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

How would you have done 370 differently?

for one thing i would not make the locals hate us more,indefinite curfews and lack of internet and phones is not the answer.i fail to see and endgame which is going to get a positive result for us with the present course of action.

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14 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

for one thing i would not make the locals hate us more,indefinite curfews and lack of internet and phones is not the answer.i fail to see and endgame which is going to get a positive result for us with the present course of action.

Well they have already hate us. What difference would it have made? These are the same locals who have shielded and created a safe passage for terrorists to escape.

 

lack of internet and phones for some time is not a big deal. You already see what fake outrage and fake propaganda against CAA, NRC has done in the rest of the country.

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1 hour ago, cowboysfan said:

for one thing i would not make the locals hate us more,indefinite curfews and lack of internet and phones is not the answer.i fail to see and endgame which is going to get a positive result for us with the present course of action.

How come we hear hardly any terror attacks or stone throwing incidents or school burning. People are going to work, students to schools. Lock up the so-called leaders who were coordinating these events using whatsapp, internet and now we see peace in the region since Aug 5. This is still better than how China is controlling the Ughirs! Get used to the new normalcy. The old normalcy where Dalits were persecuted, women had no rights because of A370 is gone.

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