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the number of games being wasted on dhawan is ridiculous , yes he has been a bloody good ODI player but high chance he wont be a part of 2023 wc. This was the time either mayank cud have been continuity or gill cud have been given a chance . If kohli wud have rested all 3 cud have been played

 

Shaw

Mayank

Gill

 

this wud have given those guys continuity which is what this team needs.

 

 

Small goals have been biggest issue under kohli, safe conservative approach of playing big players in such series have costed us in past and will in future also. Even if a young side looses to Sa it ill give them experience. Sa nyways isnt that same team anymore so why this safe approach 

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Dhawan :wall:

Shaw

Brat :whack:

Rahul

Iyer

Pandya

Jadeja

Bhuvanesh :hysterical:

Kuldeep :bootyshake:

Bumrah

Saini

 

I don’t see the point. A very average side which has failed multiple times under pressure. A mere hogwash. This side may actually lose to South Africa who look in fine form (I hope that’s the case)

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2 minutes ago, Sandeep99 said:

Dhawan :wall:

Shaw

Brat :whack:

Rahul

Iyer

Pandya

Jadeja

Bhuvanesh :hysterical:

Kuldeep :bootyshake:

Bumrah

Saini

 

I don’t see the point. A very average side which has failed multiple times under pressure. A mere hogwash. This side may actually lose to South Africa who look in fine form (I hope that’s the case)

Nah !! Pandya will smash those spinners

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Only way I see Gill making a debut is if India r 2-0 up.  Pant should not be given a game as I think he is part of Asia XI so he should get 2 games there.  Dhawan selection is absurd but that also tells u about seniority culture in India. BK over a guy like Prasidh is mind boggling.  

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2 hours ago, ssurenn said:

 

Shikhar Dhawan
Prithvi Shaw
Virat Kohli (C)
KL Rahul
Manish Pandey
Shreyas Iyer
Rishabh Pant
Hardik Pandya
Ravindra Jadeja
Bhuvneshwar Kumar
Yuzvendra Chahal
Jasprit Bumrah
Navdeep Saini
Kuldeep Yadav
Shubman Gill

Shameless Kohli LL play everything and then complain about workload. Y him and bumrah even playing this.

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I am so furious at this Bhuvi guy. I mean why now? You have only one utility in your god forsaken career that is to be fit for tours where we encounter swinging condition and he has been unfit for the last two of them.

 

And then Virat hogging on his spot. Sigh.

 

I don't care about this tean anymore. 

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43 minutes ago, Scar said:

I am so furious at this Bhuvi guy. I mean why now? You have only one utility in your god forsaken career that is to be fit for tours where we encounter swinging condition and he has been unfit for the last two of them.

 

And then Virat hogging on his spot. Sigh.

 

I don't care about this tean anymore. 

Which swing r u talking about??  He lost it quite a while ago.  There was enough swing in WC SF still he wasn't able to pick early wicket in PP.  How meany 5fers he has in so many games??  Career avg of 35. Barely picks up wickets.  He should not be anywhere near this side. Prasidh Krishna Porel r much better. 

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15 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Which swing r u talking about??  He lost it quite a while ago.  There was enough swing in WC SF still he wasn't able to pick early wicket in PP.  How meany 5fers he has in so many games??  Career avg of 35. Barely picks up wickets.  He should not be anywhere near this side. Prasidh Krishna Porel r much better. 

He is talking about tests where he averages 26

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9 minutes ago, New guy said:

He is talking about tests where he averages 26

If they want to pick a swing bowler for next year's Eng tour D Chahar is much much better option.  He is a genuine swing bowler.  Bhuvi should be kept away. 

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Why are players not encouraged to hone secondary skills ? In previous teams, Ganguly, Sachin, Yuvi, Sehwag all used to bowl. Dravid used to keep wickets. This used to give extra options when bowlers had an off day. In this team, when main bowlers go for runs, they are allowed to bowl their entire quota because of lack of options.

 

Rohit Sharma, Kohli used to bowl in the early part of their careers. Now they no longer do. Rest of the new team members either bat or bowl. Even the tail lacks ability to contribute which most teams in the world are capable of. What the heck is management doing regarding this ? 

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2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Which swing r u talking about??  He lost it quite a while ago.  There was enough swing in WC SF still he wasn't able to pick early wicket in PP.  How meany 5fers he has in so many games??  Career avg of 35. Barely picks up wickets.  He should not be anywhere near this side. Prasidh Krishna Porel r much better. 

He's still much better than umesh and bumrah in those conditions.

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1 hour ago, kubrickian said:

Why are players not encouraged to hone secondary skills ? In previous teams, Ganguly, Sachin, Yuvi, Sehwag all used to bowl. Dravid used to keep wickets. This used to give extra options when bowlers had an off day. In this team, when main bowlers go for runs, they are allowed to bowl their entire quota because of lack of options.

 

Rohit Sharma, Kohli used to bowl in the early part of their careers. Now they no longer do. Rest of the new team members either bat or bowl. Even the tail lacks ability to contribute which most teams in the world are capable of. What the heck is management doing regarding this ? 

Iyer can bowl handy leggies but mostly lacks control.  If we had a spin bowling coach he might have improved to be a bit like Marnus labuschagne. 

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even our spinners specially kuldeep yadav may have some turn in these ODI 's and then africans will find it tough to score 260 to 270 runs and our batsman will look like beasts...i wont be surprised if prithvi who just cant handle a good bouncer and a little bit of swing hits a super fluent century as he is a good stroke player......

lets see if he sorts his issue's but prithvi has serious issue against fast bouncers and genuine swing...

on our tracks our batsman are too confident...

shammi and bumrah are genuinely good pacers - only bumrah is selected and if bhuvi does not come in at full pace and genuine swing , he will find the going tough , hardik could also get some thrashing if the pitches dont support. but it seems his batting form is back.

 

good to know and make shivam dube and shardul know that they need to seriously bring their game Up if they want to play for INDIA.

kedar wiithout his spin should not have been selected as his fielding is average and as a batsman , he messed up in some critical innings.

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6 hours ago, bowl_out said:

Piss poor selection.  Nothing has really changed with the new selection committee.

 

Why Kohli, Bumrah, Dhawan, Jadeja, Bhuvi for this tour

If bhuvi, bumrah wud have been dropped and shami rested what 3-4 fast bowlers wud u have picked??? 

Whats wrong with bhuvi selection ??

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3 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

If bhuvi, bumrah wud have been dropped and shami rested what 3-4 fast bowlers wud u have picked??? 

Whats wrong with bhuvi selection ??

Was looking forward to the new gen of quicks - two of Prasidh, Mavi, Warrier, Siraj.

 

Bhuvi is still fine, but was hoping they use this series to blood the next gen of pacers... Bumrah's selection for this useless ODI tour was unnecessary. 

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3 hours ago, bowl_out said:

Was looking forward to the new gen of quicks - two of Prasidh, Mavi, Warrier, Siraj.

 

Bhuvi is still fine, but was hoping they use this series to blood the next gen of pacers... Bumrah's selection for this useless ODI tour was unnecessary. 

Mavi isnt even fit 

siraj not that great in LOI now to earn a spot 

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14 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

If they want to pick a swing bowler for next year's Eng tour D Chahar is much much better option.  He is a genuine swing bowler.  Bhuvi should be kept away. 

His actual test stats prove you wrong. He has been a great red ball bowler, averaging 20 in the last 2 years he played, he averages 26 both home and away. You can have a bone with him and hate him but facts dont lie 

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25 minutes ago, New guy said:

His actual test stats prove you wrong. He has been a great red ball bowler, averaging 20 in the last 2 years he played

 

He has played only 2 tests in helpful conditions so obviously he will average 20 in last 2 years imo.

 

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he averages 26 both home and away. You can have a bone with him and hate him but facts dont lie 

Fact is he only plays in helpful conditions. You will say how his home average is good then? the matches in which he has got alot wickets were helpful (6 Wickets 2016 NZ Eden garden, 8 Wickets at 2017 Srilanka Eden Garden).

 

Bhuvi has himself to blame for missing many tests in last couple of years. He had chance to play each test match in ENG & NZ conditions but he didn't take care of his fitness and kept playing IPL when he was clearly injured. Now don't tell me he is good for all conditions if he was he wouldn't have played just 20 odd test matches in last 8+ years.

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23 minutes ago, New guy said:

His actual test stats prove you wrong. He has been a great red ball bowler, averaging 20 in the last 2 years he played, he averages 26 both home and away. You can have a bone with him and hate him but facts dont lie 

I don't hate him. I think he last played a test match in SA that was 2 years ago.  His white ball form has been awful in terms of wicket taking ability recently. D Chahar even swings with the white ball reasonably & he could be deadly on overcast conditions in England with the red ball.  Bumrah Shami won't win u a test series in England coz they r not genuine swing bowlers.  Reason why Pakistan does so well in Eng is their bowlers ability to move the ball. Southee might be terrible white ball bowler but his ability to swing the ball will always make him more deadlier than Bumrah & Shami in helpful conditions.

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45 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

I don't hate him. I think he last played a test match in SA that was 2 years ago.  His white ball form has been awful in terms of wicket taking ability recently. D Chahar even swings with the white ball reasonably & he could be deadly on overcast conditions in England with the red ball.  Bumrah Shami won't win u a test series in England coz they r not genuine swing bowlers.  Reason why Pakistan does so well in Eng is their bowlers ability to move the ball. Southee might be terrible white ball bowler but his ability to swing the ball will always make him more deadlier than Bumrah & Shami in helpful conditions.

Have you seen bhuvis stats in England? Red ball and white ball bowling are different. Many swing and seam bowlers who do great in tests struggle in LOIs

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1 hour ago, Nikola said:

He has played only 2 tests in helpful conditions so obviously he will average 20 in last 2 years imo.

 

Fact is he only plays in helpful conditions. You will say how his home average is good then? the matches in which he has got alot wickets were helpful (6 Wickets 2016 NZ Eden garden, 8 Wickets at 2017 Srilanka Eden Garden).

 

Bhuvi has himself to blame for missing many tests in last couple of years. He had chance to play each test match in ENG & NZ conditions but he didn't take care of his fitness and kept playing IPL when he was clearly injured. Now don't tell me he is good for all conditions if he was he wouldn't have played just 20 odd test matches in last 8+ years.

And how many wickets did bumrah, shami and yadav take in recent helpful conditions? He was kept our of team intentionally by kohli who was focusing on pace and you know it. He should have played every test and you know it.

 

But both kohli and Indians fans became speed gun obsessed and paid the price in New Zealand. Speed gun doesnt give you wickets no matter how much we pretend and how much shami bullies aghankstan and west indies  batsmen 

 

As for his injury although it was his fault too, the NCA did not diagnose his hernia for 2 years. This was posted in the pace thread but all the pace ka pujaris ignored it. If this was any other bowler, rkt, Express, you would have been all over it and abusing NCA. That day I knew how much each one of these just go by speed gun and have a blind hate for bhuvi. The NZ series was a good lesson for some of you about how movement, swing and other skills matters too

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1 minute ago, New guy said:

And how many wickets did bumrah, shami and yadav take in recent helpful conditions? He was kept our of team intentionally by kohli who was focusing on pace and you know it. He should have played every test and you know it.

 

But both kohli and Indians fans became speed gun obsessed and paid the price in New Zealand. Speed gun doesnt give you wickets no matter how much we pretend and how much shami bullies aghankstan and west indies  batsmen 

 

As for his injury although it was his fault too, the NCA did not diagnose his hernia for 2 years. This was posted in the pace thread but all the pace ka pujaris ignored it. If this was any other bowler, rkt, Express, you would have been all over it and abusing NCA. That day I knew how much each one of these just go by speed gun and have a blind hate for bhuvi. The NZ series was a good lesson for some of you about how movement, swing and other skills matters too

In helpful conditions is probably our best bowler along with ishant but he is pretty avg on other pitches and everyone knows this. Maybe he could have been utility player in test cricket cause of his batting but his fitness is concern as well. He could have done better than pandya as all rounder but his biggest issue is fitness atm.

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23 minutes ago, New guy said:

Have you seen bhuvis stats in England? Red ball and white ball bowling are different. Many swing and seam bowlers who do great in tests struggle in LOIs

I know Bhuvi was phenomenal in 2014 test series matching Anderson almost everytime despite having little support from Shami.  But that series was long time ago.  Bhuvi used to swing the ball a lot those days even with white ball.  His desire to become T20 specialist ruined his swing ability.  He increased his pace & started losing swing from his arsenal.  That 2014 Bhuvi would've won us this NZ series easily.  But that Bhuvi is long gone. Best swing bowling exponent in India is currently D Chahar &  that is a fact.  Had he played in the NZ test series we could've won at least one game despite batting failure. We allowed Latham & Blundell to score runs in both inns of 2nd test & that was the difference in 2nd test. A swing bowler would've got them much earlier  & 60-70 run partnership in the Ist inn surely would not have happened. 

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On 3/9/2020 at 11:27 AM, New guy said:

His actual test stats prove you wrong. He has been a great red ball bowler, averaging 20 in the last 2 years he played, he averages 26 both home and away. You can have a bone with him and hate him but facts dont lie 

tm suddenly deciding bhuvi will never play tests and only lois is one of life's mysteries. until that 2018 england tour - which he again missed because of playing stupid jamodis - he was our premier swing bowler in conditions like england and new zealand and had even proved it in the 2014 tour but since then has been completely overlooked. We could have used him in this previosu series too imo.

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26 minutes ago, rollingstoned said:

tm suddenly deciding bhuvi will never play tests and only lois is one of life's mysteries. until that 2018 england tour - which he again missed because of playing stupid jamodis - he was our premier swing bowler in conditions like england and new zealand and had even proved it in the 2014 tour but since then has been completely overlooked. We could have used him in this previosu series too imo.

He hasnt been ignored he has been facing injuries 

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