Autonomous Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 22 minutes ago, sandeep said: There is simply no way for outsiders to know. CCP is definitely hiding data - that's what they do. Always. Note that the entire planet's stock markets are crashing due to the economic losses from lockdowns, but the Chinese stock market, is flat, or slightly up. Why? Not because China isn't affected. But because that stock market is rigged by the Chinese Govt. And they decided early in the game to prevent their stock market from crashing to preserve the appearance of "China is doing fine". Just like they pressured UN and World Health Org to push outright false claims of denying human to human transmission of this virus, well into late January. The Chinese cannot be trusted. Not because they are chinese, but because they operate under a political and governance philosophy where control, propaganda, and "stability" always takes precedence over facts and the lives of average folks. Since you refer to the claim of 8m deaths as conspiracy. What is your guess over actual numbers? Consider factors such as the extra facilities they developed, the troubles, spread in other countries etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autonomous Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 22 minutes ago, sandeep said: In theory, yes. Virus cannot survive more than a couple of days outside human body. BUT, how do you guarantee that nobody carrying the virus re-infected it more recently? Since the bus was not touched by anyone in last one week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
someone Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Are there any live cams for our cities? Any link to see live roads and traffic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 33 minutes ago, someone said: Are there any live cams for our cities? Any link to see live roads and traffic? They have all been re-deployed to track "anti-nashnull folks". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 55 minutes ago, Autonomous said: Since you refer to the claim of 8m deaths as conspiracy. What is your guess over actual numbers? Consider factors such as the extra facilities they developed, the troubles, spread in other countries etc. Haven't applied much thought or research to it. But their numbers are definitely cooked, ie. understated. By what factor, its hard to say. By the way, CCP regime is claiming ZERO new infections in China, and even Chinese doctors in Hubei province are contradicting that. China has rolled out nationwide lockdown and detailed monitoring with temperature checks everywhere, etc. So I think they have reduced R0 quite a bit. Goal for rest of the world is to get there asap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autonomous Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 25 minutes ago, sandeep said: Haven't applied much thought or research to it. But their numbers are definitely cooked, ie. understated. By what factor, its hard to say. By the way, CCP regime is claiming ZERO new infections in China, and even Chinese doctors in Hubei province are contradicting that. China has rolled out nationwide lockdown and detailed monitoring with temperature checks everywhere, etc. So I think they have reduced R0 quite a bit. Goal for rest of the world is to get there asap. Some say atleast around 30M were infected. But if this was to be the case, other nations would have reported massive cases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, Autonomous said: Some say atleast around 30M were infected. But if this was to be the case, other nations would have reported massive cases? Because not all infected become sick. Fatality rate is around 1% or thereabouts. Academics are trying to project/estimate number of infected people based on fatalities - these models have assumption-based errors built in. I think its tangential to focus too much on overall numbers, apart from the indicative R0 etc, for a public health policy perspective. Rest is too noisy to really say conclusively, at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Autonomous Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 37 minutes ago, sandeep said: Because not all infected become sick. Fatality rate is around 1% or thereabouts. Academics are trying to project/estimate number of infected people based on fatalities - these models have assumption-based errors built in. I think its tangential to focus too much on overall numbers, apart from the indicative R0 etc, for a public health policy perspective. Rest is too noisy to really say conclusively, at this point. For Italy, Fatility rate is 10%. It is varying from country to country probably due to veracity of data. If we were to take 4k deaths at fatility rate of 1%, it translates into total # of cases being 400k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MechEng Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Coronavirus is going change the global world order big time. This is the biggest watershed moment since World War 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Autonomous said: For Italy, Fatility rate is 10%. That's not a reliable number, because denominator could be wrong. i.e. lot more people who were infected, but not detected. Also, Italy has a disproportionate % of older population, higher % smokers etc. There's a LOT of data points that can skew things - especially since we are so early in this. But given the fact that its a coronavirus, and the data from smaller clusters - South Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, etc where testing has been done to a higher depth, I'd expect a fatality rate of around 1% in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 CMBT right now Jimmy Cliff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vilander Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 4 hours ago, Gollum said: CMBT right now Dafq God save India.. I pray everyday 35 deg c + should kill or invalidate the virus..please God this one else India is ao screwed..and nothing can be done..so scary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 ‘Tis is open season to mock Modi, Indians, Hindus, Damn you fellow Kannadiga, Satish Acharya. Laaloo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dark Horse Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Migrant workers from other states struggling in Tamilnadu not part of any associations will get 15kg of rice, 1 kg oil and 1 litre oil each for free. coffee_rules and velu 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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coffee_rules Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Why are Americans so worried about the stock market economy? This RW nut bag says he’d rather die working and save the country.. what a loony! If we all survive this, won’t the stock market come back? @Param Mastishk Pheeka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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