diga Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 23 minutes ago, Gollum said: Mullah lobby should have its wings clipped after this, hope ordinary Muslims understand the level of damage these opportunist, stupid, greedy beings have done to their qaum. Also a massive intel failure, becoming a habit under Shah. Yogi govt arrested a mullah for hiding a illegal foreigner in one of the UP mosque.. Atleast somebody has some b.a.lls Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Gollum said: This tweet, ladies and gentlemen, is exactly how people fall prey to half baked stories and rumour mongering. First of all, there is no mention elsewhere of points 4 and 5. That is some creative writing right there. Before I address this particular issue, I'd like to ask some basic questions. Why do we not think critically when we see tweets like this? Why is it in our inherent nature to assume the worst from the other and those whom we vilify (for reasons right or perceived) so much? Some facts: In some other parts of the world where Coronavirus have caused a lot of fatalities and burying of the dead is the primary method of laying the cadaver to rest; the USA, Spain, Italy, Belgium, Iran; the respective governments have *not* called for the cremating of those their Covid dead. Most of these people believe that the cadaver poses very less risk of contagion. However, all of the nations (including India) agree that the cadaver mustn't be touched by the relatives. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/infection-unlikely-to-spread-from-dead-body-only-lungs-of-covid-19-patients-pose-some-risk-govt-1656682-2020-03-18 In other parts of India also, there is no call to cremate all covid bodies? Why only Mumbai? Why did *only* the BMC come up with this idea? Are these not legit questions that one must pose? The answers to this question is really simple. Even aside of covid pandemic, there is a dearth of burial land in Mumbai. Most of the times, people have to wait for hours before the Qabarastan workers dig up a place in the congested graveyards and their deceased get the burial slot. We had to wait for hours to get a burial spot for my grandfather. And he was a man of considerable means and repute within the business community. He also had tremendous outreach in his community. We had 'booked' the spot a week in advance. And yet we had to wait for hours. You can only imagine what happens to the common person. In Islam the body has to be buried within 24 hours of death. In regular times this is barely possible. In such times, when many of the Qabarastan workers are called for other logistics related duties it becomes difficult. Hence the representatives of the body that handles the Qabarstans across Mumbai approached the BMC, asking for a solution. The BMC is also short staffed in these times. The only solution that it came up with was to decree the cremation of all covid dead. Some people objected to it, and said that they would double up as qabarastan workers in the interim. That is when the politician stepped in and got the order rescinded from the BMC. Is this a really case of Muslim veto power? It saddens me deeply to see and people falling smart people falling for these wildly accusatory tweets. Remember, these are the same set of qabarastan representatives who refused the 26/11 terrorists any space in their graveyards. If a friend were to show me such a tweet, in real life, I'd laugh it off. I wouldn't take the trouble to explain anything. It *is* that frivolous. Over here, I consider many of you guys as friends. We've trolled and their crybaby fans for years now. But tragically, a good chunk of you tend to believe every such half rumour. Edited March 31, 2020 by Mariyam Stradlater, sandeep and Gollum 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Gollum said: Mullah lobby should have its wings clipped after this, hope ordinary Muslims understand the level of damage these opportunist, stupid, greedy beings have done to their qaum. Also a massive intel failure, becoming a habit under Shah. The police should press all types of charges against these guys. Breaking section 144 Overstaying visas Disobeying the lockdown Stopping a police officer from discharging his duty. Lying to a govt officer/breach of the Passport Act. I'm sure they'd find 10 more charges that stick. Edited March 31, 2020 by Mariyam Gollum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Mariyam said: This tweet, ladies and gentlemen, is exactly how people fall prey to half baked stories and rumour mongering. First of all, there is no mention elsewhere of points 4 and 5. That is some creative writing right there. Before I address this particular issue, I'd like to ask some basic questions. Why do we not think critically when we see tweets like this? Why is it in our inherent nature to assume the worst from the other and those whom we vilify (for reasons right or perceived) so much? Some facts: In some other parts of the world where Coronavirus have caused a lot of fatalities and burying of the dead is the primary method of laying the cadaver to rest; the USA, Spain, Italy, Belgium, Iran; the respective governments have *not* called for the cremating of those their Covid dead. Most of these people believe that the cadaver poses very less risk of contagion. However, all of the nations (including India) agree that the cadaver mustn't be touched by the relatives. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/infection-unlikely-to-spread-from-dead-body-only-lungs-of-covid-19-patients-pose-some-risk-govt-1656682-2020-03-18 In other parts of India also, there is no call to cremate all covid bodies? Why only Mumbai? Why did *only* the BMC come up with this idea? Are these not legit questions that one must pose? The answers to this question is really simple. Even aside of covid pandemic, there is a dearth of burial land in Mumbai. Most of the times, people have to wait a few hours before the Qabarastan workers dig up a place in the congested graveyards and their deceased get the burial slot. We had to wait for hours to get a burial spot for my grandfather. And he was a man of considerable means and repute within the business folk and had tremendous outreach in his community. We had 'booked' the spot a week in advance. And yet we had to wait. You can only imagine what happens to the common person. In Islam the body has to be buried within 24 hours of death. In regular times this is barely possible. In such times, when many of the Qabarastan workers are called for other logistics related duties it becomes difficult. Hence the representatives of the body that handles the Qabarstans across Mumbai approached the BMC, asking for a solution. The BMC is also short staffed in these times. The only solution that it came up with was to decree the cremation of all covid dead. Some people objected to it, and said that they would double up as qabarastan workers in the interim. That is when the politician stepped in and got the order rescinded from the BMC. Is this a really case of Muslim veto power? It saddens me deeply to see and people falling smart people falling for these wildly accusatory tweets. Remember, these are the same set of qabarastan representatives who refused the 26/11 terrorists any space in their graveyards. If a friend were to show me such a tweet, in real life, I'd laugh it off. I wouldn't take the trouble to explain anything. It *is* that frivolous. Over here, I consider many of you guys as friends. We've trolled and their crybaby fans for years now. But tragically, a good chunk of you tend to believe every such half rumour. Thanks for the explanation, saw some AAPis and Congressis retweet this, had only BJP folks done so I would have been more careful. Taking down that post (reason: fake news), and apologize. Your post was quite informative . Edited March 31, 2020 by Gollum sandeep and Mariyam 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) @Mariyam UK govt brought in an emergency bill for mandatory cremation for all those who died from this virus, there was some outcry, I didn't follow the updates. Even some regions of Italy are going the cremation way. Reg that previous post, Congress leaning Hindustan Times-> BMC makes U-turn on cremation order for coronavirus dead after minister intervenes Quote The BMC had earlier said all Covid-19 casualties in Mumbai will have to be cremated to minimise possibilities of spreading the virus. Even NDTV reported the same, citing public health safety. I haven't gone through articles to study efficiency of various disposal methods during times of virus outbreaks, so of course I assumed the reasoning to be true. I had no idea about the problem of burial land in Mumbai and the challenges the community faces, neither did I know about the Islamic rule of burying within 24 hours....or the existence of a Qabaristan body and its role in all of this. Edited March 31, 2020 by Gollum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 @Gollum I'm not an expert on science matters at all. I really wouldn't know. But if cremating is safer, it must be done. This BBC news article from 4 days ago doesn't mention cremations in Italy. Just says that burials will have limited people. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52031539 That headline that the BMC makes a U-turn after the minister interferes is right! What is missing is the context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradlater Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 50 minutes ago, Mariyam said: This tweet, ladies and gentlemen, is exactly how people fall prey to half baked stories and rumour mongering. First of all, there is no mention elsewhere of points 4 and 5. That is some creative writing right there. Before I address this particular issue, I'd like to ask some basic questions. Why do we not think critically when we see tweets like this? Why is it in our inherent nature to assume the worst from the other and those whom we vilify (for reasons right or perceived) so much? Some facts: In some other parts of the world where Coronavirus have caused a lot of fatalities and burying of the dead is the primary method of laying the cadaver to rest; the USA, Spain, Italy, Belgium, Iran; the respective governments have *not* called for the cremating of those their Covid dead. Most of these people believe that the cadaver poses very less risk of contagion. However, all of the nations (including India) agree that the cadaver mustn't be touched by the relatives. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/infection-unlikely-to-spread-from-dead-body-only-lungs-of-covid-19-patients-pose-some-risk-govt-1656682-2020-03-18 In other parts of India also, there is no call to cremate all covid bodies? Why only Mumbai? Why did *only* the BMC come up with this idea? Are these not legit questions that one must pose? The answers to this question is really simple. Even aside of covid pandemic, there is a dearth of burial land in Mumbai. Most of the times, people have to wait for hours before the Qabarastan workers dig up a place in the congested graveyards and their deceased get the burial slot. We had to wait for hours to get a burial spot for my grandfather. And he was a man of considerable means and repute within the business community. He also had tremendous outreach in his community. We had 'booked' the spot a week in advance. And yet we had to wait for hours. You can only imagine what happens to the common person. In Islam the body has to be buried within 24 hours of death. In regular times this is barely possible. In such times, when many of the Qabarastan workers are called for other logistics related duties it becomes difficult. Hence the representatives of the body that handles the Qabarstans across Mumbai approached the BMC, asking for a solution. The BMC is also short staffed in these times. The only solution that it came up with was to decree the cremation of all covid dead. Some people objected to it, and said that they would double up as qabarastan workers in the interim. That is when the politician stepped in and got the order rescinded from the BMC. Is this a really case of Muslim veto power? It saddens me deeply to see and people falling smart people falling for these wildly accusatory tweets. Remember, these are the same set of qabarastan representatives who refused the 26/11 terrorists any space in their graveyards. If a friend were to show me such a tweet, in real life, I'd laugh it off. I wouldn't take the trouble to explain anything. It *is* that frivolous. Over here, I consider many of you guys as friends. We've trolled and their crybaby fans for years now. But tragically, a good chunk of you tend to believe every such half rumour. It's Qabristan ffs. Don't go around butchering the words like those morons across the border often do. Gollum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mariyam said: @Gollum I'm not an expert on science matters at all. I really wouldn't know. But if cremating is safer, it must be done. This BBC news article from 4 days ago doesn't mention cremations in Italy. Just says that burials will have limited people. https://www.bbc.com/news/health-52031539 That headline that the BMC makes a U-turn after the minister interferes is right! What is missing is the context. Overwhelmed, Italians choose cremation over burial Quote With the Italian death toll from coronavirus passing 10,000, the country’s crematoria, especially in the northern region of Lombardy, are overwhelmed and are having to transport bodies to crematoria in other regions. More families of coronavirus victims are choosing cremation over burial, for fear of catching the virus from the dead. Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 minute ago, Stradlater said: It's Qabristan ffs. Don't go around butchering the words like those morons across the border often do. Of all the things to be pedantic about, you pick on the English transliteration of an Urdu word. Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada_Qabrastan_Mumbai Gollum and sandeep 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradlater Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Of all the things to be pedantic about, you pick on the English transliteration of an Urdu word. Here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bada_Qabrastan_Mumbai Fine you win. Khush Mariyam, sandeep and Gollum 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 @Gollum If I understand your link right, the bodies are being cremated *now* also because the graveyards are full etc. And it is a case of the families choosing to cremate the dead. From your article There is no ban on burials – but many families choose cremation instead, due to the slim but not impossible chance that the virus from the dead body could still infect the living. Even families who choose burial are faced with a difficult situation. Italy’s cemeteries are as overwhelmed as the cremation centers, with the backlog of bodies to be buried growing by the day. Like I said, if it is scientifically true that cremation is better in these circumstances, the cremation order should apply all over India. No questions asked. Health first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 4 minutes ago, Stradlater said: It's Qabristan ffs. Don't go around butchering the words like those morons across the border often do. I always used 'qabristan', then when I looked at her post I began having doubts and stared at her spelling for like 5 minutes, obviously my Urdu is novice level in front of hers. Between my natural inclination to use 'qabristan' and her 'qabarastan' I ended up with 'qabaristan' Stradlater 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McCoy Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 58 minutes ago, Mariyam said: We've trolled and their crybaby fans for years now fans here are cool like thala despite almost everyone is against them. All I see is if somebody trolls wittle master in this forum and everybody loses their minds. amirite @velu @Gollum This is how @velu , I, and a few of us react to ICFers meltdown when SRT is trolled Gollum 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Stradlater said: And this isn't just limited to India. These Jamaat chewts have been responsible for the surge in numbers in Pakistan as well. These Jamatis are the biggest chewts one would ever come across. Brainless zombies. Stradlater 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 हमारे सबके प्यारे भैया रेबीज़ कुमार कह रहे है के इस न्यूज़ से मुस्लिमों को बदनाम किया जा रहा है। न जाने ये आदमी कौन जात कौन जात करना कब छोड़ेगा। Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stradlater Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, randomGuy said: हमारे सबके प्यारे भैया रेबीज़ कुमार कह रहे है के इस न्यूज़ से मुस्लिमों को बदनाम किया जा रहा है। न जाने ये आदमी कौन जात कौन जात करना कब छोड़ेगा। डर का महौल है Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 31 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: fans here are cool like thala despite almost everyone is against them. All I see is if somebody trolls wittle master in this forum and everybody loses their minds. amirite @velu @Gollum This is how @velu , I, and a few of us react to ICFers meltdown when SRT is trolled @velu is not even a true fan. He is a Dhoni fan. @Gollum , as far as I know, has nothing nice to say about the IPL velu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 47 minutes ago, Gollum said: I always used 'qabristan', then when I looked at her post I began having doubts and stared at her spelling for like 5 minutes, obviously my Urdu is novice level in front of hers. Between my natural inclination to use 'qabristan' and her 'qabarastan' I ended up with 'qabaristan' It is not just transliteration, but the pronunciation as well. I have heard people in India and in movies , say “qabar-is-tan” with a stress on “is”. Nowadays, with Arabic wahabization, maybe, it has become “Qabar-as-tan” with “as” pronounced as “us”. Ramzan has become Ramadan, Bakrid is Eid-al-adha. Persian influences of Urdu is taken over by Arabic. Shariat is Sharia now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 59 minutes ago, Mariyam said: @Gollum If I understand your link right, the bodies are being cremated *now* also because the graveyards are full etc. And it is a case of the families choosing to cremate the dead. From your article Like I said, if it is scientifically true that cremation is better in these circumstances, the cremation order should apply all over India. No questions asked. Health first. First of all, There should no rule or ordinance as India has had personal family laws. If there are huge number of deaths, then whatever practical way the family or the state chooses to do, has to be followed without protests and stone throwings. IN USA, people initially chose burials. But, in some cases, all 3 or family had been tested positive and in various levels of isolation or treatment in hospitals. Authorities have turned to cremation as family is also isolated to make decision. As such, there is no rule enforced, or they should be. Many Hindus chose cremation mainly due to public health reasons, but there is nothing to prove that burial will cause more diseases, six feet under is difficult for the bacteria on the dead to rise above. A lot of castes among Hindus still chose to bury. Lastly, this issue may or may not be a case of Muslim veto power but, there is no denying of such a thing existing. They can disrupt traffic in the middle of any road for Fri prayers, they can protest, cause public property destruction with no repercussions, force Jana gana mana as national anthem over Vande mataram. In a lot of cases, it is wrong to blame the veto power, but ultra-sensitive liberal ethos towards Muslim sentiments is mainly the reason, they don’t mind the attention given. Ashok Chavhan has been caught on speech explaining why they joined hands with SS for power, to Muslim crowds, saying they went asked Muslim leaders and only when they agreed, Congress went ahead. So, it will not be surprising if a Minister has overturned a decision of BMC, albeit unwarranted , due to pressure from you know who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 (edited) In bandon ko dekh, wishing corona on Indians, as if an outbreak will spare Muslims. Edited March 31, 2020 by coffee_rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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