Is USA the new epicenter of Corona Virus

[flamy]

4 hours ago, rising said:

Well US is country best equipped to deal with situation( even with their stupid President) they  have more number of ventilators than anyone and more papered considering the Pandemic they had in 2009, so hopefully they can give some information which can hopefully help other countries which are under prepared 

 

I would also look at Brazil as their president is refusing close down it would probably give us Idea what may happen in India if opens for business

 

Which world are you living in?

The exemplars on how to deal with this are South Korea, Taiwan, Mongolia, Czech Republic. Certainly not the uneducated backwaters of USA, UK, Western Europe.

[MechEng]

140k cases now. I don't think it's a good idea now to open the country by mid April.

[sandeep]

35 minutes ago, flamy said:

Which world are you living in?

The exemplars on how to deal with this are South Korea, Taiwan, Mongolia, Czech Republic. Certainly not the uneducated backwaters of USA, UK, Western Europe.

Wear. Masks.  

[sarcastic]

14 minutes ago, MechEng said:

140k cases now. I don't think it's a good idea now to open the country by mid April.

You seem surprised! It will easily reach half million by Easter Monday. 

[rising]

5 hours ago, flamy said:

Which world are you living in?

The exemplars on how to deal with this are South Korea, Taiwan, Mongolia, Czech Republic. Certainly not the uneducated backwaters of USA, UK, Western Europe.

South Korea, Taiwan etc have tested lot and had aggressively traced to contaminate not sure of Czech or Mongolia . India has not done lot of testing so if things get worse we may need look into America for best practice

 

I am not saying America is doing great job I am saying even with this they have best faculties to deal with  Pandemic and if temperatures and locked down don't help we  need look at US ,Italy etc for best practice  on how deal with so many cases 

[Sachinism]

20 hours ago, randomGuy said:

 

If that don't work. maybe try this next

 

 

[Manny_Pacquiao]

Help has finally arrived.

 

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The first plane full of medical supplies from China has landed in New York City to bolster its battle against the coronavirus.

According to White House adviser Jared Kushner, the first shipment of gloves, gowns, and masks, landed at John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York on Sunday to be distributed in the tri-state area, which has been battling the largest COVID-19 virus outbreak in the United States. The shipment is one of 20 planeloads paid for by the Federal Emergency Management Agency and scheduled to land in the city over the next month to address shortages of personal protective equipment.

https://news.yahoo.com/white-house-led-airlift-urgently-133622624.html

 

Mainstream American media calling this 'white house led' is really funny. the truth is, this is facilitated by nothing less than aid. discounted supplies sold as goodwill by the chinese as part of a larger diplomatic effort, something we're seeing all across the world.

 

If india (or china) were to ship supplies from america, i can guarantee it would be termed as "aid" or a "rescue effort", but that's for another day...

 

Putting this development into context:

 

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Lashing Out at China Over Coronavirus Does Nothing for America's Health, Security or Economy

While the pandemic is unfolding, the reality of our medical supply lines means ongoing trade and diplomacy with China is literally vital. Beijing threatened through an article in state-run media to impose restrictions on pharmaceutical exports to the United States, a move that could have drastic consequences while our health-care system is already under strain. Even free trade skeptics who hope to see a greater degree of economic self-reliance in the U.S. must recognize that such a transition can't be made overnight. Hasty upsets of global trade—especially in pursuit of petty rhetorical victories—will do far more harm than good. Successfully grappling with this pandemic requires cooperation, not antagonism.

Worse yet than ill-considered economic reactions would be any move toward military confrontation. The U.S. and China are hardly on the brink of war, but pre-emptive de-escalation is the prudent response to rising tensions. Some level of great power rivalry is inevitable as each side adjusts to its place in an increasingly multipolar dynamic, but a military clash between the world's two most powerful militaries—not peer competitors, but both nuclear-armed—must be avoided.

https://www.newsweek.com/lashing-out-china-over-coronavirus-does-nothing-americas-health-security-economy-opinion-1494554

 

Americans - on both sides of the political spectrum - are gradually beginning to accept that their "unipolar moment" is now over.

Edited March 30, 2020 by Manny_Pacquiao

[mishra]

1 hour ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

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Americans - on both sides of the political spectrum - are gradually beginning to accept that their "unipolar moment" is now over.

In the times of crisis, West gets United.  I feel that Bojo, Merkel, Macron and Trump has allready got an understading what to do in coming years. As soon as casualities start coming in Russia, I am certain that they will also jump to same side.

Going by history, I would be surprised that they all dont come t a common understanding. These people arent Chewts like us Indians

[Manny_Pacquiao]

25 minutes ago, mishra said:

In the times of crisis, West gets United.  I feel that Bojo, Merkel, Macron and Trump has allready got an understading what to do in coming years. As soon as casualities start coming in Russia, I am certain that they will also jump to same side.

Going by history, I would be surprised that they all dont come t a common understanding. These people arent Chewts like us Indians

all the parties involved - not just the west - with come to a common understanding, much like they did when america led the rules-based international order...or during the cold war era after ww2. Once there is clarity, everyone falls in line.

 

Right now, there is no clarity. What this common understanding might be, and who will benefit more/less from this arrangement, is what remains to be seen.

 

[sandeep]

22 hours ago, randomGuy said:

The doc. is putting in his reasoning, his protocol and his outcomes of his treatment...I guess the interviewer matters less.

Coronavirus: Rudy Giuliani has Twitter account temporarily blocked for spreading 'COVID-19 misinformation'

 

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/03/coronavirus-rudy-giuliani-has-twitter-account-temporarily-blocked-for-spreading-covid-19-misinformation.html

[sandeep]

2 hours ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

Americans - on both sides of the political spectrum - are gradually beginning to accept that their "unipolar moment" is now over.

Keep the comedy coming!

[mishra]

13 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Coronavirus: Rudy Giuliani has Twitter account temporarily blocked for spreading 'COVID-19 misinformation'

 

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/03/coronavirus-rudy-giuliani-has-twitter-account-temporarily-blocked-for-spreading-covid-19-misinformation.html

Bhai, US people are not coming together even in time of crisis. Whole world is using Chloroquinn, But twitter knows better solution.

Trump had to invoke DPA to get some ventilators. Any other country and owner of the manufacturing unit have been mass lynched for his attitude. But leftist media of US convinently decided to hide it.

 

 

Now a days, Your media does more politics than average politicians of major political parties in developing nations

[randomGuy]

36 minutes ago, mishra said:

Bhai, US people are not coming together even in time of crisis. Whole world is using Chloroquinn, But twitter knows better solution.

Trump had to invoke DPA to get some ventilators. Any other country and owner of the manufacturing unit have been mass lynched for his attitude. But leftist media of US convinently decided to hide it.

 

 

Now a days, Your media does more politics than average politicians of major political parties in developing nations

Hydroxychloroquine is an age old drug.. tolerated very well by the body with very minimal to zero side effects especially  in small dosages for short amount of time...

 

The French doctor Didier raoult who put forth Azithromycin + hydroxychloroquine treatment protocol, was baffled on how this drug suddenly became poisonous through the media...

 

Many Americans hate Trump too much such that even if he suggested a legitimate treatment, they would try to sabotage... I was the earliest on this board to share this treatment to spread the word... Much before even Trump shared it

 

[FischerTal]

Most of the new generation embrace socialism in the US. With an outbreak like this, i think those in their 40s and 50s will also embrace it as an alternative to the current political ideology in the US, which is market-oriented for republicans and moderate dems. 

[FischerTal]

16 hours ago, flamy said:

Which world are you living in?

The exemplars on how to deal with this are South Korea, Taiwan, Mongolia, Czech Republic. Certainly not the uneducated backwaters of USA, UK, Western Europe.

The manner in which China deals with SoKo and Vietnam will give the world a clue of how to deal with China in the future. Both countries have deep distrust of the CCP, which is why they were so proactive in taking this threat seriously from the beginning. China knows they screwed up, so they will be forced to take a new diplomatic approach with their allies and even their enemies. this virus will cause many countries to re-evaluate their working relationship with China, as there will be demands internally to project a strongman attitude towards anything related to the Chinese state. In response, China will have to showcase their soft power to mend these relationships, which is quite unnatural to Han culture. 

Edited March 30, 2020 by FischerTal

[mishra]

43 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

Hydroxychloroquine is an age old drug.. tolerated very well by the body with very minimal to zero side effects especially  in small dosages for short amount of time...

 

The French doctor Didier raoult who put forth Azithromycin + hydroxychloroquine treatment protocol, was baffled on how this drug suddenly became poisonous through the media...

 

Many Americans hate Trump too much such that even if he suggested a legitimate treatment, they would try to sabotage... I was the earliest on this board to share this treatment to spread the word... Much before even Trump shared it

 

Indian Doctors on tele urged people not to self medicate (Rightly as its dangerous as Chloroquinn is no treatment for failing lung or Kidney), but they did said, if you are healthy and taking care of a Covid patient in hoime, You can have a Chloroquinn.

 

Also, Indian Government do not plans to extend lockdown, which clearly means, They must have observed the impact of medicines and might be close to some medicine/ vaccine. OR spread in India may not be that high in India.

Edited March 30, 2020 by mishra

[Manny_Pacquiao]

2 hours ago, sandeep said:

Keep the comedy coming!

You are delusional, my friend.

[Manny_Pacquiao]

2 hours ago, randomGuy said:

 

The French doctor Didier raoult who put forth Azithromycin + hydroxychloroquine treatment protocol, was baffled on how this drug suddenly became poisonous through the media...

 

Media has to protect big pharmaceutical companies. Don't want people hoarding drugs at cheap prices at short notice...

[sandeep]

1 hour ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

You are delusional, my friend.

What is the reserve currency for the entire planet?  What are the rich people all over the world doing in terms of asset protection?  Which currency is appreciating relative to entire planet?  After gold, the most sought after asset holder is the US Dollar.  

 

Money and guns make the world go around - This pandemic has definitely set back Chinese attempts at 'superpower' status, maybe indefinitely - not saying they aren't strong, or won't get stronger potentially.  But the supply-chain dependency on China is going to get reviewed and changed.  No question on that.  Which country on this planet has a large enough independent manufacturing base and a self-sufficient economy to pull off a 'go-it-alone' strategy along with geopolitical clout to use alliances and partnerships to its benefit?  Hint - its a country that's a f*king continental island with access to both Pacific and Atlantic oceans.  

 

TL:DR - the unipolarity of the US not only isn't in question, but this pivot in history  is likely to serve as one that extends it.  Temporary shortages of plastic knick-knacks may look bad in media reports, but don't change the "unipolar world".  As much as some whats-app Unkils (of any age) like to pipe-dream.  

 

But carry on with your delusions my friend, and keep trumpeting them.  It makes for a good chuckle.

Edited March 30, 2020 by sandeep

[Manny_Pacquiao]

2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

What is the reserve currency for the entire planet?  What are the rich people all over the world doing in terms of asset protection?  Which currency is appreciating relative to entire planet?  After gold, the most sought after asset holder is the US Dollar.  

 

Money and guns make the world go around - This pandemic has definitely set back Chinese attempts at 'superpower' status, maybe indefinitely - not saying they aren't strong, or won't get stronger potentially.  But the supply-chain dependency on China is going to get reviewed and changed.  No question on that.  Which country on this planet has a large enough independent manufacturing base and a self-sufficient economy to pull off a 'go-it-alone' strategy along with geopolitical clout to use alliances and partnerships to its benefit?  Hint - its a country that's a f*king continental island with access to both Pacific and Atlantic oceans.  

 

TL:DR - the unipolarity of the US not only isn't in question, but this pivot in history  is likely to serve as one that extends it.  Temporary shortages of plastic knick-knacks may look bad in media reports, but don't change the "unipolar world".  As much as some whats-app Unkils (of any age) like to pipe-dream.  

 

But carry on with your delusions my friend, and keep trumpeting them.  It makes for a good chuckle.

 

Nothing you talk about is permanent. it is temporary. and there's no such thing as "going it alone". we are discussing what could happen in the future, not the present.

 

this is why leading diplomats and government officials are beginning to ask themselves what lies ahead in a world where the west is weaker: https://securityconference.org/en/news/full/is-westlessness-inevitable-msc-kick-off-2020-in-berlin/

 

I'm not sure what to tell you anymore, especially when you're blind...or maybe just unaware of leading intellectuals from the west itself, forecasting a world that will look very different 20 years now:

https://www.economist.com/open-future/2019/06/28/globalisation-is-dead-and-we-need-to-invent-a-new-world-order

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/america-ready-multipolar-world-14964

 

 

luckily, most americans aren't delusional, flag waving IT coolies - the original whatsapp uncles - and they're already attempting to define america's role in a multi-polar world. Makes me feel better as an american, because i know smart people are in charge.