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What do you expect to be the total cases from USA  

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  1. 1. What do you expect to be the total cases of Corona in USA at the end of Pandemic

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4 hours ago, rising said:

Well US is country best equipped to deal with situation( even with their stupid President) they  have more number of ventilators than anyone and more papered considering the Pandemic they had in 2009, so hopefully they can give some information which can hopefully help other countries which are under prepared 

 

I would also look at Brazil as their president is refusing close down it would probably give us Idea what may happen in India if opens for business

 

Which world are you living in?

The exemplars on how to deal with this are South Korea, Taiwan, Mongolia, Czech Republic. Certainly not the uneducated backwaters of USA, UK, Western Europe.

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5 hours ago, flamy said:

Which world are you living in?

The exemplars on how to deal with this are South Korea, Taiwan, Mongolia, Czech Republic. Certainly not the uneducated backwaters of USA, UK, Western Europe.

South Korea, Taiwan etc have tested lot and had aggressively traced to contaminate not sure of Czech or Mongolia . India has not done lot of testing so if things get worse we may need look into America for best practice

 

I am not saying America is doing great job I am saying even with this they have best faculties to deal with  Pandemic and if temperatures and locked down don't help we  need look at US ,Italy etc for best practice  on how deal with so many cases 

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Help has finally arrived.

 

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The first plane full of medical supplies from China has landed in New York City to bolster its battle against the coronavirus.

According to White House adviser Jared Kushner, the first shipment of gloves, gowns, and masks, landed at John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York on Sunday to be distributed in the tri-state area, which has been battling the largest COVID-19 virus outbreak in the United States. The shipment is one of 20 planeloads paid for by the Federal Emergency Management Agency and scheduled to land in the city over the next month to address shortages of personal protective equipment.

https://news.yahoo.com/white-house-led-airlift-urgently-133622624.html

 

Mainstream American media calling this 'white house led' is really funny. the truth is, this is facilitated by nothing less than aid. discounted supplies sold as goodwill by the chinese as part of a larger diplomatic effort, something we're seeing all across the world.

 

If india (or china) were to ship supplies from america, i can guarantee it would be termed as "aid" or a "rescue effort", but that's for another day...

 

Putting this development into context:

 

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Lashing Out at China Over Coronavirus Does Nothing for America's Health, Security or Economy

While the pandemic is unfolding, the reality of our medical supply lines means ongoing trade and diplomacy with China is literally vital. Beijing threatened through an article in state-run media to impose restrictions on pharmaceutical exports to the United States, a move that could have drastic consequences while our health-care system is already under strain. Even free trade skeptics who hope to see a greater degree of economic self-reliance in the U.S. must recognize that such a transition can't be made overnight. Hasty upsets of global trade—especially in pursuit of petty rhetorical victories—will do far more harm than good. Successfully grappling with this pandemic requires cooperation, not antagonism.

Worse yet than ill-considered economic reactions would be any move toward military confrontation. The U.S. and China are hardly on the brink of war, but pre-emptive de-escalation is the prudent response to rising tensions. Some level of great power rivalry is inevitable as each side adjusts to its place in an increasingly multipolar dynamic, but a military clash between the world's two most powerful militaries—not peer competitors, but both nuclear-armed—must be avoided.

https://www.newsweek.com/lashing-out-china-over-coronavirus-does-nothing-americas-health-security-economy-opinion-1494554

 

Americans - on both sides of the political spectrum - are gradually beginning to accept that their "unipolar moment" is now over.

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1 hour ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

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Americans - on both sides of the political spectrum - are gradually beginning to accept that their "unipolar moment" is now over.

In the times of crisis, West gets United.  I feel that Bojo, Merkel, Macron and Trump has allready got an understading what to do in coming years. As soon as casualities start coming in Russia, I am certain that they will also jump to same side.

Going by history, I would be surprised that they all dont come t a common understanding. These people arent Chewts like us Indians

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25 minutes ago, mishra said:

In the times of crisis, West gets United.  I feel that Bojo, Merkel, Macron and Trump has allready got an understading what to do in coming years. As soon as casualities start coming in Russia, I am certain that they will also jump to same side.

Going by history, I would be surprised that they all dont come t a common understanding. These people arent Chewts like us Indians

all the parties involved - not just the west - with come to a common understanding, much like they did when america led the rules-based international order...or during the cold war era after ww2. Once there is clarity, everyone falls in line.

 

Right now, there is no clarity. What this common understanding might be, and who will benefit more/less from this arrangement, is what remains to be seen.

 

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22 hours ago, randomGuy said:

The doc. is putting in his reasoning, his protocol and his outcomes of his treatment...I guess the interviewer matters less.

Coronavirus: Rudy Giuliani has Twitter account temporarily blocked for spreading 'COVID-19 misinformation'

 

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/03/coronavirus-rudy-giuliani-has-twitter-account-temporarily-blocked-for-spreading-covid-19-misinformation.html

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13 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Coronavirus: Rudy Giuliani has Twitter account temporarily blocked for spreading 'COVID-19 misinformation'

 

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/03/coronavirus-rudy-giuliani-has-twitter-account-temporarily-blocked-for-spreading-covid-19-misinformation.html

Bhai, US people are not coming together even in time of crisis. Whole world is using Chloroquinn, But twitter knows better solution.

Trump had to invoke DPA to get some ventilators. Any other country and owner of the manufacturing unit have been mass lynched for his attitude. But leftist media of US convinently decided to hide it.

 

 

Now a days, Your media does more politics than average politicians of major political parties in developing nations

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36 minutes ago, mishra said:

Bhai, US people are not coming together even in time of crisis. Whole world is using Chloroquinn, But twitter knows better solution.

Trump had to invoke DPA to get some ventilators. Any other country and owner of the manufacturing unit have been mass lynched for his attitude. But leftist media of US convinently decided to hide it.

 

 

Now a days, Your media does more politics than average politicians of major political parties in developing nations

Hydroxychloroquine is an age old drug.. tolerated very well by the body with very minimal to zero side effects especially  in small dosages for short amount of time...

 

The French doctor Didier raoult who put forth Azithromycin + hydroxychloroquine treatment protocol, was baffled on how this drug suddenly became poisonous through the media...

 

Many Americans hate Trump too much such that even if he suggested a legitimate treatment, they would try to sabotage... I was the earliest on this board to share this treatment to spread the word... Much before even Trump shared it

 

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16 hours ago, flamy said:

Which world are you living in?

The exemplars on how to deal with this are South Korea, Taiwan, Mongolia, Czech Republic. Certainly not the uneducated backwaters of USA, UK, Western Europe.

The manner in which China deals with SoKo and Vietnam will give the world a clue of how to deal with China in the future. Both countries have deep distrust of the CCP, which is why they were so proactive in taking this threat seriously from the beginning. China knows they screwed up, so they will be forced to take a new diplomatic approach with their allies and even their enemies. this virus will cause many countries to re-evaluate their working relationship with China, as there will be demands internally to project a strongman attitude towards anything related to the Chinese state. In response, China will have to showcase their soft power to mend these relationships, which is quite unnatural to Han culture. 

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43 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

Hydroxychloroquine is an age old drug.. tolerated very well by the body with very minimal to zero side effects especially  in small dosages for short amount of time...

 

The French doctor Didier raoult who put forth Azithromycin + hydroxychloroquine treatment protocol, was baffled on how this drug suddenly became poisonous through the media...

 

Many Americans hate Trump too much such that even if he suggested a legitimate treatment, they would try to sabotage... I was the earliest on this board to share this treatment to spread the word... Much before even Trump shared it

 

Indian Doctors on tele urged people not to self medicate (Rightly as its dangerous as Chloroquinn is no treatment for failing lung or Kidney), but they did said, if you are healthy and taking care of a Covid patient in hoime, You can have a Chloroquinn.

 

Also, Indian Government do not plans to extend lockdown, which clearly means, They must have observed the impact of medicines and might be close to some medicine/ vaccine. OR spread in India may not be that high in India.

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2 hours ago, randomGuy said:

 

The French doctor Didier raoult who put forth Azithromycin + hydroxychloroquine treatment protocol, was baffled on how this drug suddenly became poisonous through the media...

 

Media has to protect big pharmaceutical companies. Don't want people hoarding drugs at cheap prices at short notice...

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1 hour ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

You are delusional, my friend.

What is the reserve currency for the entire planet?  What are the rich people all over the world doing in terms of asset protection?  Which currency is appreciating relative to entire planet?  After gold, the most sought after asset holder is the US Dollar.  

 

Money and guns make the world go around - This pandemic has definitely set back Chinese attempts at 'superpower' status, maybe indefinitely - not saying they aren't strong, or won't get stronger potentially.  But the supply-chain dependency on China is going to get reviewed and changed.  No question on that.  Which country on this planet has a large enough independent manufacturing base and a self-sufficient economy to pull off a 'go-it-alone' strategy along with geopolitical clout to use alliances and partnerships to its benefit?  Hint - its a country that's a f*king continental island with access to both Pacific and Atlantic oceans.  

 

TL:DR - the unipolarity of the US not only isn't in question, but this pivot in history  is likely to serve as one that extends it.  Temporary shortages of plastic knick-knacks may look bad in media reports, but don't change the "unipolar world".  As much as some whats-app Unkils (of any age) like to pipe-dream.  

 

But carry on with your delusions my friend, and keep trumpeting them.  It makes for a good chuckle.

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2 minutes ago, sandeep said:

What is the reserve currency for the entire planet?  What are the rich people all over the world doing in terms of asset protection?  Which currency is appreciating relative to entire planet?  After gold, the most sought after asset holder is the US Dollar.  

 

Money and guns make the world go around - This pandemic has definitely set back Chinese attempts at 'superpower' status, maybe indefinitely - not saying they aren't strong, or won't get stronger potentially.  But the supply-chain dependency on China is going to get reviewed and changed.  No question on that.  Which country on this planet has a large enough independent manufacturing base and a self-sufficient economy to pull off a 'go-it-alone' strategy along with geopolitical clout to use alliances and partnerships to its benefit?  Hint - its a country that's a f*king continental island with access to both Pacific and Atlantic oceans.  

 

TL:DR - the unipolarity of the US not only isn't in question, but this pivot in history  is likely to serve as one that extends it.  Temporary shortages of plastic knick-knacks may look bad in media reports, but don't change the "unipolar world".  As much as some whats-app Unkils (of any age) like to pipe-dream.  

 

But carry on with your delusions my friend, and keep trumpeting them.  It makes for a good chuckle.

 

Nothing you talk about is permanent. it is temporary. and there's no such thing as "going it alone". we are discussing what could happen in the future, not the present.

 

this is why leading diplomats and government officials are beginning to ask themselves what lies ahead in a world where the west is weaker: https://securityconference.org/en/news/full/is-westlessness-inevitable-msc-kick-off-2020-in-berlin/

 

I'm not sure what to tell you anymore, especially when you're blind...or maybe just unaware of leading intellectuals from the west itself, forecasting a world that will look very different 20 years now:

https://www.economist.com/open-future/2019/06/28/globalisation-is-dead-and-we-need-to-invent-a-new-world-order

https://nationalinterest.org/feature/america-ready-multipolar-world-14964

 

 

luckily, most americans aren't delusional, flag waving IT coolies - the original whatsapp uncles - and they're already attempting to define america's role in a multi-polar world. Makes me feel better as an american, because i know smart people are in charge.

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3 hours ago, FischerTal said:

Most of the new generation embrace socialism in the US. With an outbreak like this, i think those in their 40s and 50s will also embrace it as an alternative to the current political ideology in the US, which is market-oriented for republicans and moderate dems. 

Socialist spain royally bungled their response.

Not saying reforms not needed, but i doubt politiciwl system determines actions

 

In nyc the virus gained traction due to a feminist rally

 

 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

Nothing you talk about is permanent. it is temporary. and there's no such thing as "going it alone". we are discussing what could happen in the future, not the present.

In the future we'll all be dead.  Let's stick to our life-spans.  The world is staying Unipolar - without any question - for the next 20-30 years.  Covid Pandemic has made that outcome more certain, not less.  Do you disagree?

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18 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

Socialist spain royally bungled their response.

Not saying reforms not needed, but i doubt politiciwl system determines actions

 

In nyc the virus gained traction due to a feminist rally

 

 

 

 

I think no healthcare system in the world was prepared for an outbreak like this, socialist or not. What I’m talking about is people looking for government to play a bigger role in their lives . For example, UBI is gaining traction among many of the youth. Crisis like this one make people wary about not just their health, but financial security as well.

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4 minutes ago, sandeep said:

In the future we'll all be dead.  Let's stick to our life-spans.  The world is staying Unipolar - without any question - for the next 20-30 years.  Covid Pandemic has made that outcome more certain, not less.  Do you disagree?

Why are you MAKING THIS ABOUT ME....IT IS NOT ME that is disagreeing, it is leading western intellectuals that define western foreign policy that are saying this. I am following what they are saying. Read the links i gave you in my previous post.

 

If not, read this prediction from the NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE COUNCIL: https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/Newsroom/Reports and Pubs/2025_Global_Trends_Final_Report.pdf

 

They wrote this in 2008. and the FIRST line on page 10 predicts a multipolar world order by 2025. i think they're off by about 5-10 years, but their scenarios look very realistic. A multipolar world doesn't forecast doom and gloom for america, just a weakened america. that is what i mentioned earlier. i'm not sure why you find this so sensitive.

 

the national intelligence council aren't whatsapp uncles, they are seasoned diplomats and intelligence officers that get paid to forecast geopolitical trends. Are THEY wrong?

 

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by the way, here is the updated version of that National intelligence council report. fascinating to read, if you have the time:

 

https://www.dni.gov/index.php/global-trends/trends-transforming-the-global-landscape

 

if you don't, here's the takeaway, which they title "The bottomline":

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The Bottomline

Between states, the post-Cold War, unipolar moment has passed and the post-1945 rules based international order may be fading too. Some major powers and regional aggressors will seek to assert interests through force but will find results fleeting as they discover traditional, material forms of power less able to secure and sustain outcomes in a context of proliferating veto players.

 

btw, these guys are forecasting a war between india and pakistan sometime around 2028. that should be fun.

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8 hours ago, randomGuy said:

Hydroxychloroquine is an age old drug.. tolerated very well by the body with very minimal to zero side effects especially  in small dosages for short amount of time...

 

The French doctor Didier raoult who put forth Azithromycin + hydroxychloroquine treatment protocol, was baffled on how this drug suddenly became poisonous through the media...

 

Many Americans hate Trump too much such that even if he suggested a legitimate treatment, they would try to sabotage... I was the earliest on this board to share this treatment to spread the word... Much before even Trump shared it

 

 

Chloroquine has negative cardiac side effects

And, even HCQ is not completely free, but that is the best we have.

 

But, from what I understand, these are both zinc ionophores (zinc is what blocks virus replication), and so may not have much of an effect on people with zinc-deficiency (like obese people etc.)

 

Anyways, Quercetin is also a zinc-ionophore, and can be used in place of HCQ. I'm supplementing right now as a prophylactic.

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2 hours ago, flamy said:

 

Chloroquine has negative cardiac side effects

And, even HCQ is not completely free, but that is the best we have.

 

But, from what I understand, these are both zinc ionophores (zinc is what blocks virus replication), and so may not have much of an effect on people with zinc-deficiency (like obese people etc.)

 

Anyways, Quercetin is also a zinc-ionophore, and can be used in place of HCQ. I'm supplementing right now as a prophylactic.

Dr. Vladimir zelenko frm new york has been giving zinc in addition to hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin that would work for obese people, maybe normal people do not require zinc supplement.. so for them hydroxychloroquine and Azithromycin is sufficient

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23 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

USA has tested ore than a mil with 160000 positive, 16% spread, India is still showing 7% spread, but more testing will extend the lockdown, mortality rates are lesser than malaria and TB, so we can’t afford to raise it

I don't know how correct this calculated mortality rate is.  

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8 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Next two weeks gone be tough for us, hitting very close to home. Stay safe, ICF Americans.

 

 

Once death count reaches 25, It reaches to 2500 in less than 20 days.

 

once it reaches 2500, within a week , you realise you are loosing battle. Everyone gets scared.

 

So, watch out for India death counts. EU and US are done

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2 hours ago, chewy said:

The US seems so effed up, the death rates are accelerating day by day

 

Trump seems completely out of his depth, his press conferences have been so disjointed 

Eventual death rate will be higher than 3%. We have to see how many are recovering.  In US, 7000 odd recovered and 4000 odd dead. In India, 133 recovered, 38 dead. See the deads and recovery ratio.

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3 hours ago, sandeep said:

I'm holding them at a loss for years.  Remdesivir's efficacy is not proven.  

I suspect  same medicine is already being used in China. Wuhan Institute of Virology and Gilead were fighting patent battle till a week back.

 

It will be mass produced with massive amounts.Consider the volume and fame they will recieve.

 

US , UK have also started using it ( in name of testing). Wait for One more week Before they all say its working.

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10 minutes ago, mishra said:

I suspect  same medicine is already being used in China. Wuhan Institute of Virology and Gilead were fighting patent battle till a week back.

 

It will be mass produced with massive amounts.Consider the volume and fame they will recieve.

 

US , UK have also started using it ( in name of testing). Wait for One more week Before they all say its working.

Remdesivir is being used for serious patients, and in handful of cases, its showing some results.  But its no silver bullet.  

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Not much is expected from Trump who is a bumbling idiot. He has reacted late. To him the loss of Americans is no big deal as long as the stock market stays up. He started paying attention only when the stock market started tanking. Even then, false bravado about in 15 days there will be no one sick, etc etc. What a colossal idiot. Thrusting himself in press conferences every day, contradicting experts with information he pulls out his auss, arguing with reporters. I have stopped watching. Chewtiya president, no ifs and buts about it.

 

BTW, blood of half of the dead is on his hands. Like he gives a phuck. Phucker has got good genes, eats shyt and still kicking. Got exposed to Corona, still did not get sick. Karma does not apply to this chewyt.

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15 minutes ago, Norman said:

Dont get it. :confused:

 

Did he go there and interact with infected ones? Did he kiss them ? 

Handshakes. 

 

Trump is pissed off due to china though. 

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17 minutes ago, Norman said:

Dont get it. :confused:

 

Did he go there and interact with infected ones? Did he kiss them ? 

A Brazilian official who meet trump in Florida tested positive, but Trump didn't get infected I think he means that it was like somewhere in Mid March I think   

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