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Former India captain Dilip Vengsarkar has claimed that he lost his job as chairman of selectors for picking Kohli over Tamil Nadu’s domestic heavyweight S. Badrinath in 2008, courtesy the then BCCI secretary N. Srinivasan.

“There was an Emerging Players tournament in Australia (for) youngsters — four A-teams were there — India, Australia, South Africa and New Zealand,” Vengsarkar recalled at a programme organised by the Mumbai Marathi Patrakar Sangh.

“Me and my colleagues decided that we will take the U-23 boys and at that time we had won the U-19 World Cup, Virat Kohli was the U-19 captain and I selected him in the team,” he added.

Vengsarkar claimed that Dhoni and coach Gary Kirsten were sceptical about the selection. The straight-talking former batsman said he eventually fell out of favour with Srinivasan, something that cost him his job.

“He (Kohli) was technically sound and I thought he should be played. We were going to Sri Lanka and I felt that this is the ideal situation that he should be in the team. My four colleagues said ‘As you say Dilip Bhai’,” he said, referring to the other members of the selection panel.

“However, Gary and Dhoni were saying ‘No, we haven’t seen him and we will continue with the same team’. I told them ‘You haven’t seen him but I have seen and we have to take this boy’,” Vengsarkar said.

Even Kohli, in the past, has spoken publicly about how Vengsarkar landed in Australia during an A-team tournament and told the current India captain to open the innings. Kohli took up the challenge to score a hundred and was selected in the Indian team for the tour of Sri Lanka.

‘Colonel’, as he is fondly called, alleged that he sensed a general uneasiness with Kohli’s selection as Badrinath played IPL for Chennai Super Kings, which was then owned by erstwhile secretary Srinivasan.

“I knew there was South’s Badrinath, who was playing for N. Srinivasan’s CSK. When Kohli was preferred over Badrinath, Srinivasan was not happy. He got fed up as his player was kept out and he questioned me as to how I didn’t pick Badri? I replied that I had gone to watch the Emerging Tour in Australia and found this boy Kohli exceptional.

“So I have picked him in the team and Srinivasan reasoned that Badrinath had scored 800 runs for Tamil Nadu. I told him he will get a chance and an angry Srinivasan asked “when he will get a chance, he is 29-years-old? I replied: ‘Whenever the time comes’.”

Vengsarkar said soon after, he was replaced by Kris Srikkanth as chairman of selectors. “Srinivasan then made Srikkanth the chairman and I was sent home. That was the end of my career as a selector.”

 
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3 hours ago, diga said:

Srini Mama ended many careers for sure... including his own son in laws too

Didn't he also get rid of Jimmy Amarnath from selector post for recommending Dhoni's ouster as captain after the disasters in Eng and Aus?

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21 minutes ago, nevada said:

Didn't he also get rid of Jimmy Amarnath from selector post for recommending Dhoni's ouster as captain after the disasters in Eng and Aus?

Amarnath was no nice guy as well. He recommended Gambhir to replace Dhoni as captain even though GG was going through a bad patch throughout that year. He is also a regionalistic ahole who prefers delhi players.

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Still Badri barely got any backing during that time despite Srikanth and Srini at the helm.. got to play less than 10 international games.. 

he did waste a couple of opportunities though.

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1 hour ago, bowl_out said:

Still Badri barely got any backing during that time despite Srikanth and Srini at the helm.. got to play less than 10 international games.. 

he did waste a couple of opportunities though.

Badri was put in grade b despite not doing anything special. Srikant kept on praising him over other players in every interview he gave. If this is not backing, then I don't know what is.

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On 4/5/2020 at 11:16 AM, Real McCoy said:

Amarnath was no nice guy as well. He recommended Gambhir to replace Dhoni as captain even though GG was going through a bad patch throughout that year. He is also a regionalistic ahole who prefers delhi players.

At least he wanted to change the status quo. They could have tried other options if Gambhir didn't work out. 

 

The only good thing that came out of Lodha commission was that it ended the stranglehold of CSK on the Indian team.

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Vengsarkar and TN players don’t go well together. When their paths cross, something happens. Back when he was a player, I remember when TA Sekhar got a game against Pakistan. Sekhar bowled really well but Vengsarkar dropped catches in the slips. Sekhar didn’t last too long. Also during the time Vengsarkar played there was a player by the name of TE Srinivasan. Decent player who didn’t get many chances. Vengsarkar, on the other hand,took several years before his career got going. Now, this episode, where Vengsarkar’s career as a selector supposedly ends because he backs Badrinath- another TN player.

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6 hours ago, retired_hurt said:

Badri was put in grade b despite not doing anything special. Srikant kept on praising him over other players in every interview he gave. If this is not backing, then I don't know what is.

I don't care much for grades.. he played 2 Tests.. and that's atrocious for someone that averaged 60+ for most of his domestic career, particularly when he gets accused of getting favoritism

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4 hours ago, bowl_out said:

I don't care much for grades.. he played 2 Tests.. and that's atrocious for someone that averaged 60+ for most of his domestic career, particularly when he gets accused of getting favoritism

And who would he have replaced? His prime years coincided with fab 4, so it was natural he wasn't going to get many chances. Doesn't hide the fact that whatever chances he got were because of CSK lobby.

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On 4/3/2020 at 5:34 PM, Khota said:

https://www.thehindu.com/sport/cricket/picking-kohli-ended-my-career-vengsarkar/article22986677.ece

 

Former India captain Dilip Vengsarkar has claimed that he lost his job as chairman of selectors for picking Kohli over Tamil Nadu’s domestic heavyweight S. Badrinath in 2008, courtesy the then BCCI secretary N. Srinivasan.

“There was an Emerging Players tournament in Australia (for) youngsters — four A-teams were there — India, Australia, South Africa and New Zealand,” Vengsarkar recalled at a programme organised by the Mumbai Marathi Patrakar Sangh.

“Me and my colleagues decided that we will take the U-23 boys and at that time we had won the U-19 World Cup, Virat Kohli was the U-19 captain and I selected him in the team,” he added.

Vengsarkar claimed that Dhoni and coach Gary Kirsten were sceptical about the selection. The straight-talking former batsman said he eventually fell out of favour with Srinivasan, something that cost him his job.

“He (Kohli) was technically sound and I thought he should be played. We were going to Sri Lanka and I felt that this is the ideal situation that he should be in the team. My four colleagues said ‘As you say Dilip Bhai’,” he said, referring to the other members of the selection panel.

“However, Gary and Dhoni were saying ‘No, we haven’t seen him and we will continue with the same team’. I told them ‘You haven’t seen him but I have seen and we have to take this boy’,” Vengsarkar said.

Even Kohli, in the past, has spoken publicly about how Vengsarkar landed in Australia during an A-team tournament and told the current India captain to open the innings. Kohli took up the challenge to score a hundred and was selected in the Indian team for the tour of Sri Lanka.

‘Colonel’, as he is fondly called, alleged that he sensed a general uneasiness with Kohli’s selection as Badrinath played IPL for Chennai Super Kings, which was then owned by erstwhile secretary Srinivasan.

“I knew there was South’s Badrinath, who was playing for N. Srinivasan’s CSK. When Kohli was preferred over Badrinath, Srinivasan was not happy. He got fed up as his player was kept out and he questioned me as to how I didn’t pick Badri? I replied that I had gone to watch the Emerging Tour in Australia and found this boy Kohli exceptional.

“So I have picked him in the team and Srinivasan reasoned that Badrinath had scored 800 runs for Tamil Nadu. I told him he will get a chance and an angry Srinivasan asked “when he will get a chance, he is 29-years-old? I replied: ‘Whenever the time comes’.”

Vengsarkar said soon after, he was replaced by Kris Srikkanth as chairman of selectors. “Srinivasan then made Srikkanth the chairman and I was sent home. That was the end of my career as a selector.”

 
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12 hours ago, retired_hurt said:

At least he wanted to change the status quo. They could have tried other options if Gambhir didn't work out. 

 

The only good thing that came out of Lodha commission was that it ended the stranglehold of CSK on the Indian team.

He is not changing the status quo. He wants another state/city to dominate. Things are not that simple that we could change captains at will. If it was so, we would resemble pak cricket team. Lodha committee is a sham. BCCI is a private body. How come SC can form a committee on this. SC must do its main job rather than interfering in trivial issues like cricket and state customs like jallikattu and sabarimala issue. SC is a fail :facepalm:

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1 hour ago, Real McCoy said:

He is not changing the status quo. He wants another state/city to dominate. Things are not that simple that we could change captains at will. If it was so, we would resemble pak cricket team. Lodha committee is a sham. BCCI is a private body. How come SC can form a committee on this. SC must do its main job rather than interfering in trivial issues like cricket and state customs like jallikattu and sabarimala issue. SC is a fail :facepalm:

He is simply dropping a non performing captain. But Bcci president who has a vested interest in that captain instead sacked the chief selector and brought in a selector who maintained the status quo and our team continued to suffer.

 

I am not defending the legality of Lodha committee here but I am happy it helped get rid of Srini and Dhoni nexus.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Real McCoy said:

All I see is vengsarkar grabbing attention and media time. He was just as regional as every selector in India.

He had an eye for talent. Backed Kohli, Uthappa, Rohit unlike Srikant who was busy promoting useless players.

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2 hours ago, retired_hurt said:

He is simply dropping a non performing captain. But Bcci president who has a vested interest in that captain instead sacked the chief selector and brought in a selector who maintained the status quo and our team continued to suffer.

 

I am not defending the legality of Lodha committee here but I am happy it helped get rid of Srini and Dhoni nexus.

 

 

Just under a year ago, he won the world cup and drew a tough series in SA. He failed in his first two away series. That doesn't merit a drop. You will fit well in PCB. So youre not defending lodha but defend dropping the two who was done in by lodha. You will like edulji and shahsank manohar

2 hours ago, retired_hurt said:

He had an eye for talent. Backed Kohli, Uthappa, Rohit unlike Srikant who was busy promoting useless players.

Kohli and Rohit would have come through the ranks despite vengsarkar. You are giving him too much credit. Uthappa was a talent alright, a front foot plonking talent  :lol: Badri was a better player than him. How he got very little chances is beyond me that too with Srini supposedly pulling the strings. CSK lobby you said :facepalm: Southies are less aggressive than the rest of India and follow rules too much. If Badri played for Mumbai or Delhi, he would be a superstar in the making. He has a domestic average of above 60s. That alone should have given him a few more chances. These vengsarker types accuse others of being regionalistic while they are the worst offenders. Good that srini ended his career. Its fun to see him whine to the media :laugh:

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2 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

Southies are less aggressive than the rest of India and follow rules too much. If Badri played for Mumbai or Delhi, he would be a superstar in the making

Badri was a southern Amol Mazumdar - there are plenty of names in Indian cricket history that probably deserved a better shot at int'l cricket, but did not get it, due to a combination of factors.  

 

Gotta love the stereotyping though - its hilarious.

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1 hour ago, sandeep said:

 

Badri was a southern Amol Mazumdar - there are plenty of names in Indian cricket history that probably deserved a better shot at int'l cricket, but did not get it, due to a combination of factors.  

 

Gotta love the stereotyping though - its hilarious.

Both Badri and Amol played in a time when the fab 4 played. Badri was a little younger so he had a chance when the big 4 retired. But to dismiss this as CSK lobby is rubbish. When shastri gets to play, why not Badri. Don't tell me tracer bullet got in because of his talent. He was a chamcha for Sunnyji and he was included because of mumbai lobby.

Stereotypes are there for a reason. A lot of northies blame Mumbai lobby, Karnataka lobby and CSK lobby when they always preferred their own. Case in point Amarnath preferred Gambhir to replace Dhoni as captain when he was out of form. Ishant was bowling tripe in that dismal tour and blamed Dhoni is not picking him. So Dhoni had to pick him and the result is there to see. He was the worst bowler to have played 50+ tests :facepalm: Did Amarnath complain about Ishant.

These are the people who fault southies with playing the regional card. They should look at themselves first. They never look and start blaming others. They are probably the most socially aggressive people in India. That's why they get a look in. Only the crying baby gets milk in the dog eats dog kinda competition. Southies in general are stoics (not saying we are saints) when compared with the rest of India.

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19 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

Both Badri and Amol played in a time when the fab 4 played. Badri was a little younger so he had a chance when the big 4 retired. But to dismiss this as CSK lobby is rubbish. When shastri gets to play, why not Badri. Don't tell me tracer bullet got in because of his talent. He was a chamcha for Sunnyji and he was included because of mumbai lobby.

Stereotypes are there for a reason. A lot of northies blame Mumbai lobby, Karnataka lobby and CSK lobby when they always preferred their own. Case in point Amarnath preferred Gambhir to replace Dhoni as captain when he was out of form. Ishant was bowling tripe in that dismal tour and blamed Dhoni is not picking him. So Dhoni had to pick him and the result is there to see. He was the worst bowler to have played 50+ tests :facepalm: Did Amarnath complain about Ishant.

These are the people who fault southies with playing the regional card. They should look at themselves first. They never look and start blaming others. They are probably the most socially aggressive people in India. That's why they get a look in. Only the crying baby gets milk in the dog eats dog kinda competition. Southies in general are stoics (not saying we are saints) when compared with the rest of India.

Shastri should have never played for India but Badri was not the best either.

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19 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

Both Badri and Amol played in a time when the fab 4 played. Badri was a little younger so he had a chance when the big 4 retired. But to dismiss this as CSK lobby is rubbish. When shastri gets to play, why not Badri. Don't tell me tracer bullet got in because of his talent. He was a chamcha for Sunnyji and he was included because of mumbai lobby.

Stereotypes are there for a reason. A lot of northies blame Mumbai lobby, Karnataka lobby and CSK lobby when they always preferred their own. Case in point Amarnath preferred Gambhir to replace Dhoni as captain when he was out of form. Ishant was bowling tripe in that dismal tour and blamed Dhoni is not picking him. So Dhoni had to pick him and the result is there to see. He was the worst bowler to have played 50+ tests :facepalm: Did Amarnath complain about Ishant.

These are the people who fault southies with playing the regional card. They should look at themselves first. They never look and start blaming others. They are probably the most socially aggressive people in India. That's why they get a look in. Only the crying baby gets milk in the dog eats dog kinda competition. Southies in general are stoics (not saying we are saints) when compared with the rest of India.

Say something negative about Average Ashwin and you fill quickly find out how stoic they are.

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53 minutes ago, Khota said:

Shastri should have never played for India but Badri was not the best either.

He deserved a shot and he was among the best in domestics

51 minutes ago, Khota said:

Say something negative about Average Ashwin and you fill quickly find out how stoic they are.

I said comparatively. Go find a northie stoic and I will change my name.

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23 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

He deserved a shot and he was among the best in domestics

 

There were plenty better than him. He was from Mumbai and they had the best lobby. He could not even make up his mind wether he was a bowler or a bat. Parasite.

23 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

 

I said comparatively. Go find a northie stoic and I will change my name.

Once again stereotyping people. I am pretty stoic but I like your name so don't change it.

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11 hours ago, Vilander said:

Regionalism in india is a disgusting outcome of reduced resources.

That is true. IPL has made it possible for players from lesser know places can make an impact.

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On 4/7/2020 at 8:57 PM, Real McCoy said:

Both Badri and Amol played in a time when the fab 4 played. Badri was a little younger so he had a chance when the big 4 retired. But to dismiss this as CSK lobby is rubbish. When shastri gets to play, why not Badri. Don't tell me tracer bullet got in because of his talent. He was a chamcha for Sunnyji and he was included because of mumbai lobby.

Stereotypes are there for a reason. A lot of northies blame Mumbai lobby, Karnataka lobby and CSK lobby when they always preferred their own. Case in point Amarnath preferred Gambhir to replace Dhoni as captain when he was out of form. Ishant was bowling tripe in that dismal tour and blamed Dhoni is not picking him. So Dhoni had to pick him and the result is there to see. He was the worst bowler to have played 50+ tests :facepalm: Did Amarnath complain about Ishant.

These are the people who fault southies with playing the regional card. They should look at themselves first. They never look and start blaming others. They are probably the most socially aggressive people in India. That's why they get a look in. Only the crying baby gets milk in the dog eats dog kinda competition. Southies in general are stoics (not saying we are saints) when compared with the rest of India.

The Fab 4 were definitely a reason why many prolific Ranjit batsmen did not get chances. There was no vacancy at all and when Ganguly also settled in team the chances for others were totally none except for injuries.

 

Iirc Badri played his first test against SA in India and was brutally destroyed by Steyn and other bowlers? He scored less than runs what Bhuvi or Ashwin scores in test series.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Straight Drive said:

The Fab 4 were definitely a reason why many prolific Ranjit batsmen did not get chances. There was no vacancy at all and when Ganguly also settled in team the chances for others were totally none except for injuries.

 

Iirc Badri played his first test against SA in India and was brutally destroyed by Steyn and other bowlers? He scored less than runs what Bhuvi or Ashwin scores in test series.

 

 

Badri scored a 57 in that test.

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On 4/7/2020 at 1:28 PM, Real McCoy said:

All I see is vengsarkar grabbing attention and media time. He was just as regional as every selector in India.

Amarnath once said in an interview that he will always prefer fast bowlers from North because, well because they are from North. By the way, I always find it funny how some people from North claim people from other regions are biased towards their province/region as though they are saints and treat all people from India equally.  They are in fact the most racist people in India. :rofl: Try asking anyone from North who has lived in South for a few years to speak a whole sentence in local language and I will run naked on the street even in complete lockdown at the risk of getting my ass lathi charged by cops.

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45 minutes ago, kubrickian said:

Amarnath once said in an interview that he will always prefer fast bowlers from North because, well because they are from North. By the way, I always find it funny how some people from North claim people from other regions are biased towards their province/region as though they are saints and treat all people from India equally.  They are in fact the most racist people in India. :rofl: Try asking anyone from North who has lived in South for a few years to speak a whole sentence in local language and I will run naked on the street even in complete lockdown at the risk of getting my ass lathi charged by cops.

Its because of colonial hangover. The brits created further division based on martial races theory saying northies are much more martial and southies are less so. Amarnath is probably educated by the old system which relied on british view of history. Your point about northies acting like saints is right on. They are the most biased people in India and have the nerve to accuse others of regionalism. There are northies living in Maharashatra and Karnataka who don't know the respective state languages even after being there for a decade. In TN, you are sort of forced to learn Tamil because nobody speaks Hindi here and those who do are not fluent. By northies I mean hindi belt people not Punjabis and Gujaratis as they have a language of their own. I don't know how these states tolerate the hindi crowd.

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