zen Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 (edited) A thread from the collection of "no cricket timepass" season - Swashbucklers 11 vs. Circumspects 11 Swashbucklers include relatively high strike rate batsmen and flamboyant bowlers/cricketers. Basically cricketers who could pull crowds to the stadium Circumspects include cricketers who grind it out. Many would even classify them as those playing boring cricket. While they may play a bland brand of cricket, their value to the team is not diminished by that. In fact, many of them are played to add that quality and sense of solidity to the team Selection rules Tests Batsmen with 2k or more runs Bowlers with 100 or more wkts Considered (or at least their name discussed) for a place in ATG11 of their respective countries (so these are all quality players) Retired or retiring players Post WW2 era Swashbucklers * Sehwag - caution thrown to the wind * Hayden - relatively a swashbuckling opener vs. some of the others * Viv Richards - the king * Lara - how many times have we seen him score 15-20 runs in an over? * Sobers - 6 6s, a quick 365* as we may have to go the races * S Waugh - technically difficult to classify him as a swashbuckler but has that mindset. Can pull the crowds in for his fighting spirit and battles w/ bowlers * Gilly - attack attack attack * Warne - people can switch on the tv to watch him bowl * Lillee - people came to the stadiums to watch him run in, appeal, and celebrate .... at times, you would be lucky to see some personal battles involving Lillee playing out on the field as well * Ambrose - nothing like watching the legs of batsmen shaking as Ambrose ran in * Donald - the scary proposition of watching him run in all fired up Circumspects * Boycott - there are circumspect batsmen, and there is Geoffrey Boycott * Hanif - a player who can even put Boycott to sleep. Hanif has quite a few slow batting numbers including a SR of 18 as opener iirc. played a marathon inning in WI * Dravid - a tortoise * Kallis - needs to take more initiatives like some of the other top batsmen. as a bowler, tends to bowl the 2 ball over, i.e. w/ 4 balls bowled wide outside the off stump * Miandad - C'Paul and Misbah may not be considered for their respective team's AT11 so Miandad is like the next best option * Border - a gusty player but can put you to sleep. at times had to play such knocks as rescue acts * A Flower - like Border, a gusty batsman. And also like Border, the key batsman of his side so had to be extra circumspect at times * Imran - known as a big hitter but can block a lot (even in ODIs as we saw in the 92 WC). Bowls mainly incoming deliveries so can get boring at times. overall, a useful cricketer * Kumble - nothing much happens unless the pitch has something. De Silva played him more like a trundler than a spinner. but will run through a side in certain conditions * Walsh - like Imran, mainly bowls the incoming deliveries so may not generate enough interest. but can be a workhorse like bowler * McGrath - accurate but needs those cracks on the pitch to appear interesting. can force batsmen to make unforced errors Edited April 7, 2020 by zen Link to comment
Gollum Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Waugh and Ambrose weren't swashbucklers IMO, I would replace them with KP and Steyn/Akram. Vilander, Nikola and Ankit_sharma03 3 Link to comment
velu Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 @zen you missed FaF .. known for 400/500 ball 60s Link to comment
Real McCoy Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 2 hours ago, velu said: @zen you missed FaF .. known for 400/500 ball 60s He also missed gavaskar and shastri Vilander 1 Link to comment
zen Posted April 7, 2020 Author Share Posted April 7, 2020 4 hours ago, velu said: @zen you missed FaF .. known for 400/500 ball 60s Only those who can be considered in an ATG11 of a team .... FAF will not get into SA’s 2 hours ago, Real McCoy said: He also missed gavaskar and shastri Shastri not an ATG11 player for Ind .... Gavaskar got beaten by Boycott and Hanif Link to comment
Real McCoy Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 1 hour ago, zen said: Gavaskar got beaten by Boycott and Hanif I hope it turned physical sunnyji deserved a proper beatdown batting selfishly and advising next gen to follow suit. saik 1 Link to comment
Sooda Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Circumspects XI candidates Trevor Bailey- called "barnacle" because of adhesive nature as a batsman, accurate medium pacer Bapu Nadkarni- bowled long spells with nagging accuracy, bowled a record number of maidens in a spell Hugh Tayfield - South African offie, again bowled long accurate spells Ken Barrington- another super defensive bat, in for Miandad IMO Swashbucklers Candidates- Roy Fredricks- 71 ball hundred vs Thomson and Lillee at the WACA Though of these only, Tayfield and Barrngton are ATG candidates for their countries Link to comment
Vilander Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Games between these two teams will be always dramatic in scorecard bang bust to snoozefest in play lol. Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Maindad was a stroke player , especially against spinners. Chanderpaul should be in grinders list. Dennis Amiss to should be in the list. Link to comment
zen Posted April 23, 2020 Author Share Posted April 23, 2020 Ian Chappell's Thrill 11 1. Virender Sehwag The most destructive batsman in world cricket. Admirably simple approach to batting. 2. Roy Fredericks A century off 71 balls against Lillee and Thomson at the WACA. West Indies reached 200 in the 20th (eight-ball) over. 3. Viv Richards The fastest Test century, in balls (56). An intimidating presence. When an umpire once told a fast bowler three bouncers in a row was enough, Viv said, "Don't stop him." 4. Brian Lara Features in two of the top four entries for most runs off an over in Tests. Exceptional against spinners. 5. Doug Walters Three times he scored a century in a session in Test cricket. Also kept the dressing room as loose as a size-eight cap. 6. Sir Garfield Sobers (capt) The greatest cricketer of all time. As captain he claimed the final two wickets - caught at second slip and then caught at leg-slip - in the last over of a one-day match when the opposition needed six to win. 7. Adam Gilchrist (wk) One of the cleanest strikers I've seen. Hit the second-fastest Test century (57 balls). 8. Shane Warne Champion bowler who made every ball an event worth watching. Would have loved bowling under Sobers' captaincy. 9. Dennis Lillee Great fast bowler who thought only of taking wickets, never of saving runs. Also bowled a "soap on a rope" in a festival match to an astonished batsman. 10. Wes Hall Extremely fast bowler with a wonderfully, rhythmic, long run to the wicket. Great entertainer either with bat or ball and perfect man to respond to the toast at the official function. 11. Bill O'Reilly Bradman said he was the best bowler he ever saw. Aggressive legspinner, who once responded when asked if he'd ever performed a Mankad: "I never found a batsman that keen to get to the other end." Link Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Circumspects Cook Steve smith Should be there Swashbucklers ponting for steve waugh Akram or akthar for ambrose Link to comment
zen Posted August 11, 2020 Author Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) Swashbucklers Indian 11 Sehwag Srikant Sidhu Tendulkar CK Naidu (c) Mankad Engineer Kapil Srinath Shami Chandra Edited August 12, 2020 by zen Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 On 4/7/2020 at 5:40 AM, zen said: A thread from the collection of "no cricket timepass" season - Swashbucklers 11 vs. Circumspects 11 Swashbucklers include relatively high strike rate batsmen and flamboyant bowlers/cricketers. Basically cricketers who could pull crowds to the stadium Circumspects include cricketers who grind it out. Many would even classify them as those playing boring cricket. While they may play a bland brand of cricket, their value to the team is not diminished by that. In fact, many of them are played to add that quality and sense of solidity to the team Selection rules Tests Batsmen with 2k or more runs Bowlers with 100 or more wkts Considered (or at least their name discussed) for a place in ATG11 of their respective countries (so these are all quality players) Retired or retiring players Post WW2 era Swashbucklers * Sehwag - caution thrown to the wind * Hayden - relatively a swashbuckling opener vs. some of the others * Viv Richards - the king * Lara - how many times have we seen him score 15-20 runs in an over? * Sobers - 6 6s, a quick 365* as we may have to go the races * S Waugh - technically difficult to classify him as a swashbuckler but has that mindset. Can pull the crowds in for his fighting spirit and battles w/ bowlers * Gilly - attack attack attack * Warne - people can switch on the tv to watch him bowl * Lillee - people came to the stadiums to watch him run in, appeal, and celebrate .... at times, you would be lucky to see some personal battles involving Lillee playing out on the field as well * Ambrose - nothing like watching the legs of batsmen shaking as Ambrose ran in * Donald - the scary proposition of watching him run in all fired up Circumspects * Boycott - there are circumspect batsmen, and there is Geoffrey Boycott * Hanif - a player who can even put Boycott to sleep. Hanif has quite a few slow batting numbers including a SR of 18 as opener iirc. played a marathon inning in WI * Dravid - a tortoise * Kallis - needs to take more initiatives like some of the other top batsmen. as a bowler, tends to bowl the 2 ball over, i.e. w/ 4 balls bowled wide outside the off stump * Miandad - C'Paul and Misbah may not be considered for their respective team's AT11 so Miandad is like the next best option * Border - a gusty player but can put you to sleep. at times had to play such knocks as rescue acts * A Flower - like Border, a gusty batsman. And also like Border, the key batsman of his side so had to be extra circumspect at times * Imran - known as a big hitter but can block a lot (even in ODIs as we saw in the 92 WC). Bowls mainly incoming deliveries so can get boring at times. overall, a useful cricketer * Kumble - nothing much happens unless the pitch has something. De Silva played him more like a trundler than a spinner. but will run through a side in certain conditions * Walsh - like Imran, mainly bowls the incoming deliveries so may not generate enough interest. but can be a workhorse like bowler * McGrath - accurate but needs those cracks on the pitch to appear interesting. can force batsmen to make unforced errors One thing is common among them - none of them have great record in NZ Lara: 41 Waugh: 35 Hayden: 28 Richards: 19 Sehwag: 20 Link to comment
maniac Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 On 8/11/2020 at 2:12 PM, zen said: Swashbucklers Indian 11 Sehwag Srikant Sidhu Tendulkar CK Naidu (c) Mankad Engineer Kapil Srinath Shami Chandra Siddhu wasn’t a swash buckler. Sure he could hit big 6’s against spinners but was a stroke less wonder and a very dry and boring batsmen playing every other bowler. Murdered off spinners though. Treated Warne and Murali like club level bowlers but in the other hand would block all day against anything over 130 clicks. Probably a prev genteration Kedar Jadhav Link to comment
zen Posted August 12, 2020 Author Share Posted August 12, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, maniac said: Siddhu wasn’t a swash buckler. Sure he could hit big 6’s against spinners but was a stroke less wonder and a very dry and boring batsmen playing every other bowler. Murdered off spinners though. Treated Warne and Murali like club level bowlers but in the other hand would block all day against anything over 130 clicks. Probably a prev genteration Kedar Jadhav Yeah. He had a game where he would go into a shell and then explode. I picked him for being a swashbuckler against spinners in particular. Sidhu against spinners = fun! Edited August 13, 2020 by zen Link to comment
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