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Speaking in the latest episode of Star Sports’ Cricket Connected, former India batsman Gautam Gambhir said that Kohli still has a lot to achieve in his career. On being asked if there are still a few milestones left for the 31-year-old, Gambhir replied: “Lots, in a team sport.”

He added: “You can keep scoring your own runs. There are people like Brian Lara who’s got so many runs. People like Jacques Kallis who have won nothing, Virat Kohli, at the moment, has won nothing to be honest, as a leader.”

“He has a lot to achieve. He can keep scoring his own runs. But for me, in a team sport, till the time you don’t win those big trophies, you will never be considered... probably you will never fulfill your entire career,” Gambhir further said.

The 38-year-old further went on to add that Kohli needs to realise that all his players are different individuals and he needs to figure out what best use could he make of each of them.

“He’s different from the rest. Probably a lot of other people might not have the same ability that Virat Kohli has. As a leader, the most important quality which he needs to have is start taking players as they are. Don’t compare them, or don’t compare their intensity to his intensity. Because every individual is different,” Gambhir said.

“Every individual has its pros and cons, his own strength and weaknesses. That is what makes a team sport really, really fascinating. You got to gel everyone together and try to bring the best out of everyone else.

“Mohammed Shami can never be Jasprit Bumrah. Or Ishant Sharma can never be Jasprit Bumrah. Or KL Rahul can never be Virat Kohli. For that matter, Shreyas Iyer, Manish Pandey, all these guys probably can never match to Virat Kohli’s intensity, and talent as well,” he added.

“But how to get the best out of them, and figuring out those situations will help him, and prepare him the best for the world titles, and that is only when they can actually win it,” the former India batsman further said.

 

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1 minute ago, Rasgulla said:

True he hasn't won anything in white ball cricket. Other than series win against AUS without Smith and Warner nothing noticeable.  

After his first 5 years as skipper MSD's achievements

- ODI WC

- WT20

- CT

- Epic drawn series in RSA against their full strength ATG side

- Series win in NZ

- Young blood, ruthless elimination of oldies

 

He gets flak for the 0-8, some WT20 failures, Eng 2012 but at least we had big accomplishments.....

 

Even in IPL he made CSK a war machine while Kohli has reduced his franchise to a stale joke. 

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Sachin was a pathetic leader but at least had some shame, no delusions or lust for power either....admirable traits. Kohli is an insecure, petty brat, he will burn Indian cricket to the ground if he is removed from captaincy. 

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1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Sachin was a pathetic leader but at least had some shame, no delusions or lust for power either....admirable traits. Kohli is an insecure, petty brat, he will burn Indian cricket to the ground if he is removed from captaincy. 

Disagree. Sachin was a mediocre captain. He was a great leader till his last match. Small distinction.  The glue that held it all together.

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6 minutes ago, maniac said:

Disagree. Sachin was a mediocre captain. He was a great leader till his last match. Small distinction.  The glue that held it all together.

Agree, should have written skipper but you understand what I was trying to say....just following the thread title and went with the flow. 

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10 minutes ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

He somehow converted ishant sharma into a useful test match bowler, which was unthinkable.

he didnt, jason gillespie did 

Link - https://www.outlookindia.com/website/story/sports-news-ishant-sharma-credits-jason-gillespie-for-providing-him-with-solutions/344800

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7 hours ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

I get the feeling kohli doesn't value winning the world cup anywhere near as much as other indian captains did. Ganguly, Tendulkar and dravid would have given their left testicle for a world cup,

I wonder how much of that is down to Kohli winning a WC (and a CT for that matter) so early on in his career. Maybe the core of this team is "content" already with winning these trophies (Rohit and Dhoni have won the T20 WC too) and have pretty much decided that the rest of their stint with the national side will be spent on "career management". The ICC trophies will be merely a bonus. Just thinking out loud.

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7 hours ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

Kohli deliberately lost the champions trophy final to get rid of anil kumble.

Absolutely not, one thing u have to give it to the guy is his passion to win which seems to be more then many i have seen. 

No captain will do such thing , they all are smart enough to knw that they are ruining their own reputation as well with loosing. 

7 hours ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

I get the feeling kohli doesn't value winning the world cup anywhere near as much as other indian captains did. Ganguly, Tendulkar and dravid would have given their left testicle for a world cup,

Cant disagree more 

Finals are about keeping nerves which is where kohli fails and so did ganguly. U need calm head like dhoni or even rohit. Kohli wants it bad and with every loss the desire grows more. The desperation leads to nerves and players overtry, as every cricketer will always tell u keep it simple and its all about pressure. Ganguly lost some 13 finals that didnt mean he didnt care, just that he didnt knew how to. Same is the case with south africa with every defeat it becomes a mental block. Nerves is the single reason why pakistan has a horrible record against in India in world tournaments, coz they try extra and in that process they end up messing it. 

 

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Gollum said:

After his first 5 years as skipper MSD's achievements

- ODI WC

- WT20

- CT

- Epic drawn series in RSA against their full strength ATG side

- Series win in NZ

- Young blood, ruthless elimination of oldies

 

He gets flak for the 0-8, some WT20 failures, Eng 2012 but at least we had big accomplishments.....

 

Even in IPL he made CSK a war machine while Kohli has reduced his franchise to a stale joke. 

He doesn't have that captaincy brain. Its not his fault. Sadly we don't have anyone as consistent as him as a player. Rohit is doing very well for last few years but torch should have passed on to him when MS retired from captaincy back in 2017. 

 

Rohit 

- Had success with MI in IPL

 - Many players came out and spoke about how helpful he was (KL Recently)

 

Kohli 

- Other than 2016 where he was untouchable for the whole year. RCB has been a failure under his captaincy. He is the main reason. 

- Constant chopping and changing 

- He had 2 years for that #4 #5 spots still couldn't manage to find proper players to fill those spots. For me that's a failure on his behalf which         eventually led to our exit in 2019WC

 

 

This Video explains everything about him. Pant was rightfully dropped from white ball cricket but some of the decisions he makes are very questionable about other players.

 

 

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10 hours ago, Gollum said:

Gambo is so honest, no BS or ass-kissing, a rare trait among our ex-cricketers. 

He doesn't have any interest in posts for BCCI while rest of them do. I don't blame them tbh. If Rest of them spoke out their mind they ll be in trouble.

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10 hours ago, Jimmy Cliff said:

I wonder how much of that is down to Kohli winning a WC (and a CT for that matter) so early on in his career. Maybe the core of this team is "content" already with winning these trophies (Rohit and Dhoni have won the T20 WC too) and have pretty much decided that the rest of their stint with the national side will be spent on "career management". The ICC trophies will be merely a bonus. Just thinking out loud.

I agree. They don't have any desperation to win it. I get the feeling there is zero planning for a world cup.

 

Compare it with the way India prepared themselves to play the world cup in 2011...players were picking and choosing games, and squad selection for every series was specifically planned with the world cup in mind. The whole team was looking to 'peak' at the world cup, and they did (more or less).

 

Competition is weaker nowadays, india can win most matches without really trying, even with an 'incomplete' team. And fans/media don't really complain if the team is out at the semi-final stage, as long as they play good cricket to get there (which they usually do).

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10 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Absolutely not, one thing u have to give it to the guy is his passion to win which seems to be more then many i have seen. 

No captain will do such thing , they all are smart enough to knw that they are ruining their own reputation as well with loosing. 

Cant disagree more 

Finals are about keeping nerves which is where kohli fails and so did ganguly. U need calm head like dhoni or even rohit. Kohli wants it bad and with every loss the desire grows more. The desperation leads to nerves and players overtry, as every cricketer will always tell u keep it simple and its all about pressure. Ganguly lost some 13 finals that didnt mean he didnt care, just that he didnt knew how to. Same is the case with south africa with every defeat it becomes a mental block. Nerves is the single reason why pakistan has a horrible record against in India in world tournaments, coz they try extra and in that process they end up messing it. 

 

 

 

 

 

He had a 'passion to win' when he was fighting to reach the top. But after he became captain, he has reached the top and has nothing left to achieve. He can do whatever he likes. So if he has a coach like kumble questioning him, he removes the coach. BCCI had no leadership at the time, so there was nobody who could discipline Kohli.

 

There's never any backlash against kohli's failures in big tournaments because he scores meaningless 100s against SL/WI a few weeks later. He also feeds many interviews to the media and keeps them happy.

 

 

You are confusing kohli's motivation to score runs as a batsman, with his motivation to win trophies as a captain. Kohli is not a natural leader, he doesn't care about anything but himself. He'll work hard to score runs, but he doesn't really care if others do well or not.

 

Indian players always say that kohli is never angry with us after a loss, he doesn't speak to players about their performances, doesn't tell us what to do, etc. That's because kohli has no interest in seeing others improve. He's very different from ganguly, dravid, sachin or even dhoni - who would force players around them to improve, tell them what to do, and question their decision-making.

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9 minutes ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

He had a 'passion to win' when he was fighting to reach the top. But after he became captain, he has reached the top and has nothing left to achieve. He can do whatever he likes.

every captain every player wants to win tournament, everyone

9 minutes ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

There's never any backlash against kohli's failures in big tournaments because he scores meaningless 100s against SL/WI a few weeks later. He also feeds many interviews to the media and keeps them happy.

 

coz his pwn performance is superlative, a captain place mostly comes under doubt when his runs or wkts dry up or team keeps loosing. We win a lot of games useless ones though but we do.

N virat gets called out for those tournament 

10 minutes ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

You are confusing kohli's motivation to score runs as a batsman, with his motivation to win trophies as a captain. Kohli is not a natural leader, he doesn't care about anything but himself. He'll work hard to score runs, but he doesn't really care if others do well or not.

no ur confusion desire with nerves, he just cant keep nerves

Same example is of SA they wanna badly but they cant - its not a desire problem but mental issue 

Same with pakistan against india in Wc

11 minutes ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

Indian players always say that kohli is never angry with us after a loss, he doesn't speak to players about their performances, doesn't tell us what to do, etc.

i never read that, infact i have kohli talking to them way to much. It was dhoni who left players alone n gave them their space

 

12 minutes ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

That's because kohli has no interest in seeing others improve.

nonsense, if u captain a side u knw u need 11 players performing so u can win

On one side u say he helped improve fitness, why did  he do so ?? Fitness can raise performance only right

13 minutes ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

He's very different from ganguly, dravid, sachin or even dhoni - who would force players around them to improve, tell them what to do, and question their decision-making.

he just has poor man mngmt like greg chappell thats it

Cant doubt that guys hunger and commitment , every player knws he cant win team a game alone its a team game

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27 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

every captain every player wants to win tournament, everyone

coz his pwn performance is superlative, a captain place mostly comes under doubt when his runs or wkts dry up or team keeps loosing. We win a lot of games useless ones though but we do.

N virat gets called out for those tournament 

no ur confusion desire with nerves, he just cant keep nerves

Same example is of SA they wanna badly but they cant - its not a desire problem but mental issue 

Same with pakistan against india in Wc

i never read that, infact i have kohli talking to them way to much. It was dhoni who left players alone n gave them their space

 

nonsense, if u captain a side u knw u need 11 players performing so u can win

On one side u say he helped improve fitness, why did  he do so ?? Fitness can raise performance only right

he just has poor man mngmt like greg chappell thats it

Cant doubt that guys hunger and commitment , every player knws he cant win team a game alone its a team game

Well, at least you agree with me on the man management thing. He's s*** at managing others.

 

And he never advised others to work on their fitness. He changed his approach to fitness because he thought it would help him score runs. He is self-obsessed. Other players simply followed him.

 

I don't think he has nerves at all. He's actually very good under pressure. Look at how he batted in the 2011 world cup final, 2013 champions trophy final, world T20 in 2014, 2016. His problem is captaincy, he's a terrible captain and panics very easily.

 

I don't think his motivation is as strong as it was before he became captain. He doesn't want to win as badly as he used to, but he's still highly motivated to score runs and maintain his reputation as a great batman.

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3 hours ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

And he never advised others to work on their fitness. He changed his approach to fitness because he thought it would help him score runs. He is self-obsessed. Other players simply followed him.

He chaged his approach and saw result 

But he asks everyone to follow it- there is an interview of his where he pointed out why lack of fitness in our players use to loose them intensity in last stages of game hence he asked them to improve fitness n diet specially bowlers. 

3 hours ago, Manny_Pacquiao said:

 

I don't think he has nerves at all. He's actually very good under pressure. Look at how he batted in the 2011 world cup final, 2013 champions trophy final, world T20 in 2014, 2016. His problem is captaincy, he's a terrible captain and panics very easily.

 

All under diff captain, a captain nerves affects team which is why same players have diff reaction under diff captains. Kohli as captain is diff as player coz as player u can control urself but as captain u need to worry about xi of whom u cant control much. That is why captaincy is the toughest job.

 

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Definitely think Rohit would be better as captain..he's a little less hard on his players and a little more aware tactically. Thats what players want. The high level approach,not micro managing.

The intensity and pressure Kohli puts on the players can prove to be a problem in high pressure situations. Its probably why we have faltered in those exact situations.

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43 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

He chaged his approach and saw result 

But he asks everyone to follow it- there is an interview of his where he pointed out why lack of fitness in our players use to loose them intensity in last stages of game hence he asked them to improve fitness n diet specially bowlers. 

All under diff captain, a captain nerves affects team which is why same players have diff reaction under diff captains. Kohli as captain is diff as player coz as player u can control urself but as captain u need to worry about xi of whom u cant control much. That is why captaincy is the toughest job.

 

You can't ask people to do anything. They'll do something if and only IF they're convinced that it will help them improve their results. Players followed kohli's approach to fitness because they saw that it WORKED for him. Even if kohli didn't make fitness a criteria for selection, you would have seen players following the trend.

 

The last comment is exactly what i'm saying...kohli's strengths as a batsman don't translate to his captaincy. He is not a natural leader, but an exceptionally strong individual who can handle responsibility. That's why his averages improved as captain but his captaincy is mediocre

 

 

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Yep exactly. Choker par excellence and a complete failure as a captain.

For all the records Virat has accumulated in bilaterals, Rohit overtook him as an ODI performer last world cup, when it mattered. It was not a surprise that Virat was man of the series in bilateral in WI immediately after the world cup:hatsoff:

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গতি, নিয়ন্ত্রণ, সুইং, কাটার, বাউন্স, আগ্রাসন, সব মিলিয়ে বিধ্বংসী বোলিং। অভিষেক ওয়ানডের স্মরণীয় সেই পারফরম্যান্সের ভিডিও বুধবার নিজের অফিসিয়াল ফেইসবুক পাতায় পোস্ট করেছেন তাসকিন আহমেদ। ৬ বছর পূর্তিতে অভিষেকের দিনটিতে একটু ফিরে তাকানো! তাসকিনের সেই বোলিং যেমন দোলা দেয় রোমাঞ্চের, তেমনি এখন জাগায় হাহাকার। ক্রিকেট অনুসারীদের মনে যেমন, স্বয়ং তাসকিনের মনেও!  (লিংক)

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India has not been good enough to win any ICC tourney post 2013: 

 

2014 WT20: Yuvi played the spoilsport. Should not have been selected but for Dhoni’s belief that India can not win w/o Yuvi. Lucky to play SA in SF. This was the best chance to win post 2013

2015 WC: Smashed by Aus in SF. Lucky to play and get past BD in QF

2016: Only made it to SF because of BD’s brain fart and Kohli’s knock vs. Aus

2017 CT: Pak was destined to win. Lucky to play BD in the SF

2019 WC: In SF, the flat track bullies got exposed and the luck, including that of meeting BD or SA in KOs, finally ran out. Dhawan got injured. Could have lost to AFG, SA, and so on 

 

Fans can blame the captain, coach or whoever but the team hasn’t been good enough. Could have lost the last Asia Cup and Nidhas too if not for BD, which, + perennial KO under-performers SA, is the only team that India manages to do well against in KOs post 2013 

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5 hours ago, Rasgulla said:

what a joke this is...  Would Virat Kohli the player at start survived Virat "The Captain" I wonder. Way too much chopping!

No way would he have survived. Too bad he is immovable as a captain. His only competitor Rohit is already 33 and doesn't look capable of lasting until 2023. So it is 3 more years of Kohli and his painful captaincy at a minimum. Shreyas is somewhat of a dark horse candidate of Kohli has a terrible form slump coupled with poor results. So l expect him to be dumped as soon as he has a few poor scores.

 

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9 hours ago, Gollum said:

And we left Shreyas from WC squad :hysterical:, Clown captain, clown TM, clown selection panel. 

Not just Shreyas. Ambati Rayudu who played most matches at #4 was dropped from the squad at the last minute. I wasn't really convinced on Rayudu in the first place but if you groom a player for a spot you have to back him up and give chances.

 

Also this is the kind of analysis that is not done by mainstream cricket analysts in India. Somebody needs to show this to Kohli and the management about the kind of damage that is done to the middle order.

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2 hours ago, Stan AF said:

Not just Shreyas. Ambati Rayudu who played most matches at #4 was dropped from the squad at the last minute. I wasn't really convinced on Rayudu in the first place but if you groom a player for a spot you have to back him up and give chances.

yup it was the biggest joke they gave games to ttfs and didnt take them when it was Wc, had DK n dhoni in lineup and yet when it was pressure they threw someone like pant at 4 who to be fair batted decently but after that has not been shown confidence .

Matalb kuch bhi ho raha hai 

 

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