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16 hours ago, Autonomous said:

Pata nahi ye khud kab "shaheed" hoga

He is destined to go the Michael Jackson route.  Mark my words, whether its in 12 months or 12 years.  

 

He's going to be 'accidentally' overdosed and its going to be hushed up in typical Pakistani fashion - i.e. leaked to enough IK supporters so that they know that a lot worse will be leaked if they kick up a fuss.  And those who grant him his 'shahaadat' will lead the funeral arrangements.  

 

 

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13 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

I dont know why pakistanis are so fond of him.

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oh come on, there's a lot to root for - he's earnest, has honest good intentions, presents an attractive face as the country's leader, 

 

To be honest, I have a degree of sympathy for him.  He started his entry into politics with a dose of megalomania and 'savior' syndrome.  But he's simply not smart enough, and delusional enough not to realize it.  And has made so many compromises in his pursuit of victory in 'siyasat' that even his good intentions now carry a lot of tainted baggage.  He started off trying to lead his country and 'save' it, and has ended up being a tool, a puppet in the hands of the very forces that doom his countrymen to their cycle of chaos and poverty.  

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3 hours ago, Autonomous said:

Only overseas or those with overseas connection. 

 

Even lahoris who voted now hate him

 

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

He is destined to go the Michael Jackson route.  Mark my words, whether its in 12 months or 12 years.  

 

He's going to be 'accidentally' overdosed and its going to be hushed up in typical Pakistani fashion - i.e. leaked to enough IK supporters so that they know that a lot worse will be leaked if they kick up a fuss.  And those who grant him his 'shahaadat' will lead the funeral arrangements.  

 

 

Chala jaye bus yeh

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10 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

I think they have finished off nawaz with corruption charges.

Next pm is bilawal bhai.

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He's being trained by the PakMil mafia right now.  There's a reason why the PPP is content for now to consolidate in Sindh, and not make a big fuss at a national level.  If they do, Billie's dad is going to jail, and the Bhutto brand destroyed along with the party's prospects.  

 

Its simple - political parties are allowed to 'play' leader leader, politics etc, as long as they don't get too cocky and challenge the mafia's actual control.  That's the rule of the game.  Sham democracy with Pakistani characteristics.  The PakMil has realized that actually being in charge with a coup etc has too much cost - not only does the world start getting antsy with loan$$$, but they are also stuck with the responsibility when shiyt inevitably hits the fan.  Its far better for them to have useful idiots out front, while they call the shots.  

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18 minutes ago, sandeep said:

He's being trained by the PakMil mafia right now.  There's a reason why the PPP is content for now to consolidate in Sindh, and not make a big fuss at a national level.  If they do, Billie's dad is going to jail, and the Bhutto brand destroyed along with the party's prospects.  

 

Its simple - political parties are allowed to 'play' leader leader, politics etc, as long as they don't get too cocky and challenge the mafia's actual control.  That's the rule of the game.  Sham democracy with Pakistani characteristics.  The PakMil has realized that actually being in charge with a coup etc has too much cost - not only does the world start getting antsy with loan$$$, but they are also stuck with the responsibility when shiyt inevitably hits the fan.  Its far better for them to have useful idiots out front, while they call the shots.  

They wont put zardari in jail, he is far too ill tbh. 

 

Shahbaz Shariff is the next PM, ofcourse with blessings of the "elites".

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34 minutes ago, Malcolm Merlyn said:

I think they have finished off nawaz with corruption charges.

Next pm is bilawal bhai.

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Not possible. 

 

Punjab main government nahin banti PPP ki. 

 

Punjab ne genuinely vote diya tha IK ko.

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4 minutes ago, Autonomous said:

They wont put zardari in jail, he is far too ill tbh. 

 

Shahbaz Shariff is the next PM, ofcourse with blessings of the "elites".

Its not just about Zardari - its about the future viability of the PPP.  Everybody knows that Billie aint exactly running the show for PPP.  And the folks who are actually running it, have their own set of vulnerabilities to 'corruption' charges.  The signalling has been consistent and clear.  Stay within Sindh for now.  Don't try to make inroads into Punjab.  It suits the PakMil just fine if PPP controls Sindh, while PML controls Punjab.  This way, there is no single national political player that can generate enough political clout to even consider challenging the status quo.  

 

If you control the game board, it doesn't matter which pawn controls which set of properties in Monopoly.  The 'house' always wins.

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25 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Its not just about Zardari - its about the future viability of the PPP.  Everybody knows that Billie aint exactly running the show for PPP.  And the folks who are actually running it, have their own set of vulnerabilities to 'corruption' charges.  The signalling has been consistent and clear.  Stay within Sindh for now.  Don't try to make inroads into Punjab.  It suits the PakMil just fine if PPP controls Sindh, while PML controls Punjab.  This way, there is no single national political player that can generate enough political clout to even consider challenging the status quo.  

 

If you control the game board, it doesn't matter which pawn controls which set of properties in Monopoly.  The 'house' always wins.

Bus bhai iss IK se jaan churade koi. 

 

Petrol 25% increase today after 1 month shortage, only country in the world jahan puri duniya me excess tha idar short hogya.

 

Intehai koi chootiya hain

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53 minutes ago, Autonomous said:

Bus bhai iss IK se jaan churade koi. 

 

Petrol 25% increase today after 1 month shortage, only country in the world jahan puri duniya me excess tha idar short hogya.

 

Intehai koi chootiya hain

You do realize that getting rid of IK isn't really going to change much of anything? 

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27 minutes ago, sandeep said:

You do realize that getting rid of IK isn't really going to change much of anything? 

Oh bhai. Atleast it will improve operational governance. 

 

Abhi to humara woh haal hai ke cheeni ki domestic demand dekhi nai aur export kardi. 

 

IK has abandoned local governments jo thora bohat kaam karti thi logon ke liye like road repairs, local management, local opeeations under govt etc. 

 

2 saal se bas chaos. 

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2 minutes ago, Autonomous said:

Oh bhai. Atleast it will improve operational governance. 

 

Abhi to humara woh haal hai ke cheeni ki domestic demand dekhi nai aur export kardi. 

 

IK has abandoned local governments jo thora bohat kaam karti thi logon ke liye like road repairs, local management, local opeeations under govt etc. 

 

2 saal se bas chaos. 

This is Exhibit A of why PakMil is able to get away with looting Pakistanis for so many decades.  They are too easy to distract with 'siyasat', and PPP vs PML, etc.  

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12 minutes ago, sandeep said:

This is Exhibit A of why PakMil is able to get away with looting Pakistanis for so many decades.  They are too easy to distract with 'siyasat', and PPP vs PML, etc.  

Bhai jaan thing is, this govt is disaster, you don't have to endure Imran Khan and his myopia-laden absurd policies which is why you believe it this way.

 

Even "selectors" are not happy with him, they too have connections with the business or supreme class.

 

Kabhi aao naa khushbu laga kar. 

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3 hours ago, jf1gp_1 said:

i read the title couldn't believe it, went back to watch what he actually said and have to admit he is not good for pak. I do not know how Pak has managed to control covid 19 with such a clueless leader. Look at he logic he gave after calling him shaheed.

Bus mat poocho. 

 

Rul gaye hain

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Pak is basically going to be a client state of china. Process which cannot be reversed. They dont really care what Usa thinks.

 

The upper crust of Pakistani military used to be trained in sandhurst etc in the uk and they were pro west in thinking. That link has broken.

 

The F16s Usa gifted Pak are probably the last piece if major hardware to be transferred. 

 

Remittances from middle east to drive economy and military hardware from china against india.

 

 

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56 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

Pak is basically going to be a client state of china. Process which cannot be reversed. They dont really care what Usa thinks.

 

The upper crust of Pakistani military used to be trained in sandhurst etc in the uk and they were pro west in thinking. That link has broken.

 

The F16s Usa gifted Pak are probably the last piece if major hardware to be transferred. 

 

Remittances from middle east to drive economy and military hardware from china against india.

 

 

Remittances can not drive economy. 

 

LSM and SMEs if continue to decline, will be bad for establishment. 

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2 hours ago, Autonomous said:

Remittances can not drive economy. 

 

LSM and SMEs if continue to decline, will be bad for establishment. 

Zamindars won't care - blame will be given to "corrupt politicians" - CPEC dooms Pakistanis to be a client market and economic exploitation.  There is a reason why the PakMil Mafia marked the CPEC agreements as "classified" for national security.  They meant it.  If made public, their shameless selling out of Pakistani economic interests for a few cents and "strategic" support from China, will be exposed.  

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2 hours ago, sandeep said:

Zamindars won't care - blame will be given to "corrupt politicians" - CPEC dooms Pakistanis to be a client market and economic exploitation.  There is a reason why the PakMil Mafia marked the CPEC agreements as "classified" for national security.  They meant it.  If made public, their shameless selling out of Pakistani economic interests for a few cents and "strategic" support from China, will be exposed.  

I think projects like hazara motorway were much needed and credit goes to MNS. 

 

Anyways, aise nahin chalega. Yeh model sustainable nahin hai, its not even in the interests of military.

 

Kaunsa mulk chalta hai with 15% inflation alongside mass unemployment? You are going overboard with it tbh, military will bring back N-League most probably and give them a go ahead to govern except for the foreign policy and certainly the defence share.

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2 hours ago, Autonomous said:

military will bring back N-League most probably and give them a go ahead to govern except for the foreign policy and certainly the defence share.

And that's the problem. "Kaunsa Mulk chalega" if it keeps spending 150% of what it can afford on its military? No party can make it work.  All they will be, are patsies to be blamed when the **** keeps hitting the fan, as regularly as the clock strikes 12.  Your claim, that the N-league will somehow be less incompetent than Dimmy, may be true, but it still leaves Pakistan in the shithole condition it finds itself in. 

 

My point, and you can keep dodging it as a 'patriot', is that unless Pakistanis break the feudal exploitation and loot of the Military, they are doomed to be forever circling the drain, hoping for some Uncle to save them.  

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16 minutes ago, sandeep said:

And that's the problem. "Kaunsa Mulk chalega" if it keeps spending 150% of what it can afford on its military? No party can make it work.  All they will be, are patsies to be blamed when the **** keeps hitting the fan, as regularly as the clock strikes 12.  Your claim, that the N-league will somehow be less incompetent than Dimmy, may be true, but it still leaves Pakistan in the shithole condition it finds itself in. 

 

My point, and you can keep dodging it as a 'patriot', is that unless Pakistanis break the feudal exploitation and loot of the Military, they are doomed to be forever circling the drain, hoping for some Uncle to save them.  

We have to accept that military are the key stakeholder here. 

 

Do we really have a choice? Is there a messiah who can curtail power of the military or any other organization/institution in the country for us? I don't think so. Why do you think Nawaz was "disqualified"?

 

A) Pacifist policies wrt to India

 

B) Wanted full control over CPEC/contracts & financial matters

 

You can't do much here.

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2 hours ago, Autonomous said:

We have to accept that military are the key stakeholder here. 

 

Do we really have a choice? Is there a messiah who can curtail power of the military or any other organization/institution in the country for us? I don't think so. Why do you think Nawaz was "disqualified"?

 

A) Pacifist policies wrt to India

 

B) Wanted full control over CPEC/contracts & financial matters

 

You can't do much here.

That is a very defeated attitude to have. You are basically resigning yourself to not being free.  

 

You would be surprised what is possible if the Pakistani people understand the facts and demand change as a block.  Why do you think PakMil spends so much money and resources on propaganda and fake news?  Because they know that even they would have to submit eventually to public demand.  They need to justify their loot in the name of patriotism, and "Pakistan/Islam is in danger" - the minute the propaganda stops, their loot becomes unsustainable.  

 

Change is not easy, but it can and does happen.  Needs sustained effort though.

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18 minutes ago, sandeep said:

That is a very defeated attitude to have. You are basically resigning yourself to not being free.  

 

You would be surprised what is possible if the Pakistani people understand the facts and demand change as a block.  Why do you think PakMil spends so much money and resources on propaganda and fake news?  Because they know that even they would have to submit eventually to public demand.  They need to justify their loot in the name of patriotism, and "Pakistan/Islam is in danger" - the minute the propaganda stops, their loot becomes unsustainable.  

 

Change is not easy, but it can and does happen.  Needs sustained effort though.

 

 

It doesn't work like this. Awaam kiya kare? Sarak par ajaye? Aise nahin chalta bhai until and unless you have "foreign-funded-dharnas"

 

Imagine life of an individual like myself. We wake up at 9am and sleep at 3, work ass off the whole day. Do you know the challenges?

 

-15% + Inflation

-5M+ Unemployed since PTI

-Large scale manufacturing in decline since PTI

 

And much more that is to be bothered about. 

 

Aur ab pandemic bhi agya. Much like those *ers overseas pakistanis, its easy to sit out for you and talk but very difficult to face the music yourseld. 

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15 hours ago, Autonomous said:

 

 

It doesn't work like this. Awaam kiya kare? Sarak par ajaye? Aise nahin chalta bhai until and unless you have "foreign-funded-dharnas"

 

Imagine life of an individual like myself. We wake up at 9am and sleep at 3, work ass off the whole day. Do you know the challenges?

 

-15% + Inflation

-5M+ Unemployed since PTI

-Large scale manufacturing in decline since PTI

 

And much more that is to be bothered about. 

 

Aur ab pandemic bhi agya. Much like those *ers overseas pakistanis, its easy to sit out for you and talk but very difficult to face the music yourseld. 

This is such a cop-out. Pakistanis allowed their society and media to "mainstream" jihadis over decades.  Even today, you have a market to lap up pro-military lies and propaganda.  Pakistanis vote with their money, with their choice of media channels, with their public rhetoric, what political positions they support and make popular.  If a big chunk - not even the majority, just 10 to 20% urban educated elites - started being publicly vocal and honest about the disaster that has been unleashed on their country and society by their inept war-losing coup-running corrupt military, you would be surprised how quickly things can change. 

 

But no.  Your country's "youthias" are choosing to apply their energies in other things - cheering and fighting internal tribal PTI vs noon league siyasat conflicts, trying to 'troll' Endia on social media etc.  Even you, a relatively educated, financially comfortable person, has accepted the slave mindset of "we have to just accept being under the jackboots of a looting zamindar mafia, because thats just the way it is".  That is the problem.  

 

Jab tak kuch badlogey nahi, kuch nahi badlega.

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58 minutes ago, sandeep said:

This is such a cop-out. Pakistanis allowed their society and media to "mainstream" jihadis over decades.  Even today, you have a market to lap up pro-military lies and propaganda.  Pakistanis vote with their money, with their choice of media channels, with their public rhetoric, what political positions they support and make popular.  If a big chunk - not even the majority, just 10 to 20% urban educated elites - started being publicly vocal and honest about the disaster that has been unleashed on their country and society by their inept war-losing coup-running corrupt military, you would be surprised how quickly things can change. 

 

But no.  Your country's "youthias" are choosing to apply their energies in other things - cheering and fighting internal tribal PTI vs noon league siyasat conflicts, trying to 'troll' Endia on social media etc.  Even you, a relatively educated, financially comfortable person, has accepted the slave mindset of "we have to just accept being under the jackboots of a looting zamindar mafia, because thats just the way it is".  That is the problem.  

 

Jab tak kuch badlogey nahi, kuch nahi badlega.

India is no innocent by the way, it has supported elements like BLA, look at KSE attack today. 

 

On the west we have lunatic afghans, bastards who came as migrants and now rob pakistanis at ATMs. 

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7 minutes ago, Autonomous said:

India is no innocent by the way, it has supported elements like BLA, look at KSE attack today. 

 

On the west we have lunatic afghans, bastards who came as migrants and now rob pakistanis at ATMs. 

India’s support To Baloch or Afghanistan is strategic, don’t compare it with Pakistanis supporting Kashmir for ideological reasons

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12 minutes ago, Autonomous said:

India is no innocent by the way, it has supported elements like BLA, look at KSE attack today. 

It has been 12 years since 26/11 killers murdered hundreds of innocent Indians, including muslims in my home city.  Pakistani 'govt' still can't "find" evidence to convict the responsible ones.  And it has not been 26 hours since the Karachi attack, but everybody and their uncle in Pakistan is busy shouting "India India".  

 

This is the extent of the propaganda that has infected Pakistani society.  It is a very tempting thing to believe that "India is also guilty of same terrible things that Pakistani govt does".  Does not mean that its true.

 

I do not claim to know who is responsible for the Karachi attack.  I hope that Indian govt or anybody Indian was not involved.  But for you to use this attack, and claim that India is "not innocent" without any incident, is sad proof of how and why the Pakistani military is so successful in enslaving the mindset of Pakistanis. 

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2 hours ago, sandeep said:

It has been 12 years since 26/11 killers murdered hundreds of innocent Indians, including muslims in my home city.  Pakistani 'govt' still can't "find" evidence to convict the responsible ones.  And it has not been 26 hours since the Karachi attack, but everybody and their uncle in Pakistan is busy shouting "India India".  

 

This is the extent of the propaganda that has infected Pakistani society.  It is a very tempting thing to believe that "India is also guilty of same terrible things that Pakistani govt does".  Does not mean that its true.

 

I do not claim to know who is responsible for the Karachi attack.  I hope that Indian govt or anybody Indian was not involved.  But for you to use this attack, and claim that India is "not innocent" without any incident, is sad proof of how and why the Pakistani military is so successful in enslaving the mindset of Pakistanis. 

Its naive to think that there is no indian involvement.

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