8 UP Policemen Shot Dead when they went to arrest gangster Vikas Dubey

[Trichromatic]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jf1gp_1]

It was pretty clear someone had tipped him off so not exactly a sensational news. Anyhow Vikas Dubey is a dead man. No one is getting aware with what his gang has done while Yogi is CM. 

[velu]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@Trichromatic   @Gollum  looks like Yogi is my preferred kind of CM/PM material  

[Stradlater]

Dubey should pray for a quick death since there's no way Yogi's gonna let him get away with this. 

[Trichromatic]

37 minutes ago, velu said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

@Trichromatic   @Gollum  looks like Yogi is my preferred kind of CM/PM material  

+1 
 

He is less talk more action, exactly opposite of current PM.

[Clarke]

Sympathy for the policemen, but they just walked into the trap. The gang blocks the approach road with a JCB, that's an open announcement of being locked & loaded. How do they just walk into the trap ?

[Clarke]

1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

+1 
 

He is less talk more action, exactly opposite of current PM.

Lmao, Modi administration was a bigger badass in Gujarat. They took on the gangsters/terrorists like Sohrabuddin inspite of the Congress mafia targetting him through all available machinery at the center. 

 

Governing India is a different ball game than governing a state in India. Let this Yogi win a couple of UP elections by himself and then the comparisons can come in. 

[diga]

30 minutes ago, Clarke said:

Lmao, Modi administration was a bigger badass in Gujarat. They took on the gangsters/terrorists like Sohrabuddin inspite of the Congress mafia targetting him through all available machinery at the center. 

 

Governing India is a different ball game than governing a state in India. Let this Yogi win a couple of UP elections by himself and then the comparisons can come in. 

Exactly.. Modi has managed a relatively corruption free govt. That in itself is a big achievement. And looking back at the last 6+ years of Modi,  he has managed to stir up quite a few issues considered taboo to be discussed openly. (liberals may feel that it has vitiated the atmosphere). But this discourse is very much required to find the right path for the nation. 

 

Covid-19 may undo lot of economic things and even worsen things.. but if things return to normalcy by next year, we should see some bold reforms.  (Cant hope much in the last 2 years of election anyway. ). Only thing I dont like is that we are being used as a pawn against China in the great super power game

 

 

[Singh bling]

7 hours ago, Clarke said:

Governing India is a different ball game than governing a state in India. Let this Yogi win a couple of UP elections by himself and then the comparisons can come in. 

UP and  Gujarat are different game. UP has four parties and centre of attraction as power to Delhi goes through UP Gujarat on the other hand was easy for BJP . Winning a Single UP election on its own is equal to winning 4-5 Gujarat elections.

[Clarke]

1 hour ago, Singh bling said:

UP and  Gujarat are different game. UP has four parties and centre of attraction as power to Delhi goes through UP Gujarat on the other hand was easy for BJP . Winning a Single UP election on its own is equal to winning 4-5 Gujarat elections.

Guj was primarily Cong state and was also ruled by Janta party in 90s. Modi term was transformational in building BJP as the de facto choice. You don't get close to two thirds majority just like that, long time cong loyalist voters switched sides. 

 

There needs to be some merit in the comparisons and suggestions for promotion, a track record is needed. With support from center, 2 terms of basic majority is expected to justify the comparisons and future roadmap. Even Rahul Gandhi managed twenty odd I think in 2009, is that the benchmark for Yogi now ?

[Vilander]

11 hours ago, Stradlater said:

Dubey should pray for a quick death since there's no way Yogi's gonna let him get away with this. 

The way per reports the dsp was hacked toes and beheaded seems like maoist style ambush and extreme violence. Don't think there is any great will required here. 

[Singh bling]

53 minutes ago, Clarke said:

Guj was primarily Cong state and was also ruled by Janta party in 90s. Modi term was transformational in building BJP as the de facto choice. You don't get close to two thirds majority just like that, long time cong loyalist voters switched sides. 

 

There needs to be some merit in the comparisons and suggestions for promotion, a track record is needed. With support from center, 2 terms of basic majority is expected to justify the comparisons and future roadmap. Even Rahul Gandhi managed twenty odd I think in 2009, is that the benchmark for Yogi now ?

Most Indian states were Congress States and BJP mostly defeated Congress to build such a large empire. On the other hand BJP still has difficulty with regional parties. Even a rag tag regional party like AAP snatched Delhi thrice from BJP.

 

Anyway UP has close to 20% muslims . These Muslims are deadliest in entire South Asia and we're mastermind of Pakistan

 

UP also is  hotbed of Dalit and OBC politics.

 

All these things make UP extremely difficult state to win again and again extremely difficult.

[Clarke]

12 hours ago, Singh bling said:

Most Indian states were Congress States and BJP mostly defeated Congress to build such a large empire. On the other hand BJP still has difficulty with regional parties. Even a rag tag regional party like AAP snatched Delhi thrice from BJP.

 

Anyway UP has close to 20% muslims . These Muslims are deadliest in entire South Asia and we're mastermind of Pakistan

 

UP also is  hotbed of Dalit and OBC politics.

 

All these things make UP extremely difficult state to win again and again extremely difficult.

We're digressing from the topic, but 2014 & 2019 wins in UP weren't exactly a walk in the park for team Modi. Yogi got the CM chair from team Modi/Shah's performances nationally & at state level. Let him hold on to that at least once. 

 

I see a lot of cheerleading for team Yogi on this forum and don't mind reminding time & again the credentials of team Modi and how they got to where they are. The idea of meritocracy needs to be maintained rather than have anointed ones, else you're basically Congress + Cow. 

 

Over & out. 

[G_B_]

Out of 28 states,  18 are cong v bjp. Where bjp and cong are ruling and main opposition.

 

Of the remaining only ap and tamil nadu are realistically the only state in which neither cong not bjp are ruling or main opposition. If we micro analyse states like Odisha are very likely to become cong v bjp after Naveen patnaik.

 

Regionals have declined in relation to the power they weilded in the 90s. There are a lot of regional sartaps on their last legs age wise. (For eg sharad pawar)

 

It must also be noted that voting preferance changes as per type of election. Take Delhi, despite a thumping win in 2015 Aap came a poor third in the municipal and lok sabha elections.  It does highlight that personalities drive wins. Aap would collapse without Kejriwal.  

 

The same Aap has collapsed in Punjab due to lack of face.

 

 

 

 

[G_B_]

19 minutes ago, Clarke said:

We're digressing from the topic, but 2014 & 2019 wins in UP weren't exactly a walk in the park for team Modi. Yogi got the CM chair from team Modi/Shah's performances nationally & at state level. Let him hold on to that at least once. 

 

I see a lot of cheerleading for team Yogi on this forum and don't mind reminding time & again the credentials of team Modi and how they got to where they are. The idea of meritocracy needs to be maintained rather than have anointed ones, else you're basically Congress + Cow. 

 

Over & out. 

 

The equation is out of Yogis hand.

 

If bsp and sp combine then it will be much harder even if he has governed well.

 

If its a 4 way fight then it becomes that much easy. In a 4 way fight bjp can retain power even with 32 to 33%.

 

As things stand its

 

Bjp plus apna dal and nishad party 

 

Sp with smaller outfits (rld) and peace with shivpal 

 

Bsp looking to ally with smaller muslim outfits

 

Congress vadra backed and looking to ally with smaller caste outfits 

 

This is fluid and prone to change. But if this status quo remains yogi will sail through.

[FischerTal]

10 hours ago, G_B_ said:

 

The equation is out of Yogis hand.

 

If bsp and sp combine then it will be much harder even if he has governed well.

 

If its a 4 way fight then it becomes that much easy. In a 4 way fight bjp can retain power even with 32 to 33%.

 

As things stand its

 

Bjp plus apna dal and nishad party 

 

Sp with smaller outfits (rld) and peace with shivpal 

 

Bsp looking to ally with smaller muslim outfits

 

Congress vadra backed and looking to ally with smaller caste outfits 

 

This is fluid and prone to change. But if this status quo remains yogi will sail through.

Bsp and SP combine would never work given their history although you never know after looking at Shiv sena tying up with Congress and NCP

[G_B_]

3 hours ago, FischerTal said:

Bsp and SP combine would never work given their history although you never know after looking at Shiv sena tying up with Congress and NCP

Was post poll tie up. Cannot be compared.

 

Truth is that in the ls bsp and sp combined to get more % than if they would have contested alone. So despite winning more vote share bjp lost seats. 

 

If the entire argument is how well will yogi perform then alliances need to be accounted for.

 

I think mayawati mostly fears marginalisation than forming alliance in which she can win more seats. With sp the question of cm would always come up.

[vayuu1]

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[Gollum]

 

[G_B_]

His biggest victims were brahmins in the neighbourhood he controlled