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9 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

Policy of Obama against Iran was very successful. He was able to make a "united front" against Iran, and thus able to achieve the desired results. 

 

On the other hand, Trump is a fool. Iran wanted to stay neutral and never wanted to join Chinese block. But Trump was not able to make a united front against Iran, but he only pushed Iran in the Chinese block. 

 

And human rights situation in Saudia is much worse than Iran. And whole Wahabi Islam was supported by Saudi Arabia.  Actually, Iran and US are natural ally in the region,  but Mullahs of Iran made many mistakes.  

 

US will loose due to the fanaticism and foolishness of Trump. 

Let me come from a neutral pov. Say US had brilliant relations with Irans enemy Saudis and country stood by thick and thin throughout history. Now Saudi enemy(Iran) was allways beaten by hired gun (US) . Suddenly a new president Obama walks in and decides that US needs to talk to Iran and Iran starts getting access to European and US markets.

So how is Obama not a pro Iran and how did he not screw age old US Saudi relationship.

 

Infact, Saudi prince MBS became a social pariah and  came close to a arrest warrant in Kasshoggi’s case. All down to Obama

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3 hours ago, someone said:

Obama is deeply unpopular, and strong resentment against his policies particular in battleground states. No wonder, he is so irrelevant today, and Biden doesn't bring his past record. He only can attack Trump, and meet lobby groups.

See, Obama saw things more correctly when it comes to Middle East, ie Iran is not bad compared to Saudis. But Iran has a baggage of 1979. In global relationships, you do not forgive and forget and specially don't eff your allies overnight. For example India has good relations with Iran, despite Trump pushing India to limit and all the carrots (carrots from US and Israel to India),  while Chinese showing carrots to Iranian, both India and Iran are not going to screw up their age old relationship as it has a lot of goodwill.

Even in current Indo China crisis, despite its prudent that India do not involve Russia, Indian defence Ministeter visited Russia and our soldiers marched side by side to Chinese one in Morscow parade while whole of India was dealing with anguish of murder of 20 soldier at hand of Chinese.

 

Diplomacy is not easy. Russia knows India is drifting towards US, It also knows, China is needed for it to contain US, but it also tactically decides that further S-400 delivery to China is postponed and its due now to India by 2021.

 

So when China did Galwan+Corona-2020, what it forgot that there is a young population living in India, which is watching it and it will be making/influencing India's strategic decisions for next 50 years. Things and nations and their future, who knows where India will be vis a vis China in next 50 years. Few months back Modi was offerning help to China and China was offering help to India (Covid). All that 70 years goodwill got washed away and we are back to 1962.

Also, its an opportunity to Pakistan as well. Suddenly this young Indian population sees China as their enemy number one. Pakistan just needs to NOT do anything and things will improve between India Pakistan. But I am certain, to undo China animosity, Pakistan will be ordered by China to go to war with India, and take enemy number 1 position.

 

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12 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

Have you told us what solution has been presented by BJP about the NRC in Assam, despite being asked for millions of times? 

Asam NRC is as per Assam Accord 1955. What it has to do with Nation wide NRC. Nation wide NRC draft has yet not been release. Bjp implemented NRC in ASAM  as per 1955 NRC law, not sure why you are holding bjp responsible for it, as it was not created by them. After finding that some of legal citizens are also came as illegal in ASAM bjp is preparing a new draft for NRC which is not yet implemented and under asam NRC lot of hindus, and other minorities also came as illegal citizen and not only muslims. So I am not sure where did you get this idea of muslim discriminatory bill. On top of that as said earlier asam NRC was not created by bjp. So either justify that bjp nrc bill which is not yet implemented is discrimnaring on muslims or stop spreading lies like madarsa chaap goons 

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5 hours ago, raki05 said:

Asam NRC is as per Assam Accord 1955. What it has to do with Nation wide NRC. Nation wide NRC draft has yet not been release. Bjp implemented NRC in ASAM  as per 1955 NRC law, not sure why you are holding bjp responsible for it, as it was not created by them. After finding that some of legal citizens are also came as illegal in ASAM bjp is preparing a new draft for NRC which is not yet implemented and under asam NRC lot of hindus, and other minorities also came as illegal citizen and not only muslims. So I am not sure where did you get this idea of muslim discriminatory bill. On top of that as said earlier asam NRC was not created by bjp. So either justify that bjp nrc bill which is not yet implemented is discrimnaring on muslims or stop spreading lies like madarsa chaap goons 

Assam Accord or NO Accord, but simple question for you is this if BJP is going to solve this issue of millions of people loosing their citizenship and in state of doubtfulness and fears about their future?

Why  BJP is not answering it despite being asked for millions of times?

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16 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Assam Accord or NO Accord, but simple question for you is this if BJP is going to solve this issue of millions of people loosing their citizenship and in state of doubtfulness and fears about their future?

Why  BJP is not answering it despite being asked for millions of times?

India is not Pakistan or China or even West, When during partition, Hindus did not seek to clean India fon basis of religion when partition itself was on basis of religion do you think Hindus will do it now. You only know about India and Hindus from wikipaedia. and jump up and down. What you see in  forums is frustration o Hindus.

 

No one , absolutely no one will loose citizenship. Learn the meaning of Vasudev Kutumbkam and then talk about Hindus and Hindu philosophy. Now rush off to your Madarasa

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3 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

Assam Accord or NO Accord, but simple question for you is this if BJP is going to solve this issue of millions of people loosing their citizenship and in state of doubtfulness and fears about their future?

Why  BJP is not answering it despite being asked for millions of times?

Yaar tu Indian visa apply kar aur mil jae to lecture deta firna har gaon aur sheher mein. Khoob chappal ande tamatar milenge ekdum muft. 

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On 7/25/2020 at 2:03 PM, Alam_dar said:

I am full for giving immediate refuge to the poor Hindus and others from Islamic countries, even without CAA. 

CAA is about fasttracking. You are filled with lies, reading propaganda material.

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But it is the combination of NRC+CAA by the right wing, which is making it evil.

Through this conspiracy, right wing is trying to take away the citizenship from the already very poor people, who are born in Muslim families by the so called Bhagwan/Allah. This hatred will only end up on genocide, like what we saw in case of Rohingiya. 

 

I fully understand the fears of the normal Hindus from Muslims. 

This is the classic libtard logic of CAA+NRC. This has been thwarted earlier as well, you keep coming back with the same old sh1t.

For one last time,

 

CAA - is a Fasttracking of Citizenship applications who faced religious discrimination in 3 Islamic countries.

 

NPR - Head count for census

 

NRC - National Registry of Citizens, similar to your - NADRA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Database_and_Registration_Authority)

 

NPR has been there all along before the Census data is released. This will give data to Census on head count and how many people are in India. If there are any doubtful citizens. They ask if your parents were born in India? This is because the 1951 Citizenship act cutoff date is 1951.

 

CAA would fast track citizenship to applicats who are languishing in slums in Delhi/Rajasthan where they can't even take jobs because they have to go sign in a police station to show status they have lived for 12 years in India. So, they were given a 5 year leeway. All they had to do was to show proof that they were from Pakistan/BD or Afghans. Based on the Pop decrease in these countries, it can safely assumed that they faced religious discrimination in these retarded socities and they ran away and came to India.  There is no automatic citizenship to Hindus who don't have any Birth certificates, but they have to show proof they came from outside India. This is the first lie that Islamista and Libtards are spreading that CAA will give automatic citizenry to Hindus and drive out all Muslims away and make a Hindu Rashtra. 

 

Now NRC, there is no countrywide Draft. We only have Assam NRC. It was poorly implemented and first draft in Assam got 31 lakh doubtful citizens. In the second round it is 19 lakhs, out of which 70% are Bengali Hindus. This means that a machinery in Assam has covered and given records to most Bengali Muslims who are infiltrating into Assaam from BD. Read about the incomplete action of Greater  Bangladesh where official Islamic accounts have gone and published how they are pushing Muslims en-masse to Assam and WB, it is a National Security issue. Demography is destiny. There is no punitive actions announced for doubtful citizens, at the maximum their citizenship benefits will be taken away, no voting etc. At least, it gives other parties a fair chance to win elections without the help of illegal BD muslim votes.

 

Illegal Migration from BD has always been a election mudda and NRC will need to have clear drafts showing how they will filter out illegals and how it will safeguard Indian citizens. WIthout a clear communication, all is left to Islamists and secularists to stoke fear in poor Muslims, saying they will be sent to detention camps and thrown out of their homes. I blame Amit Shah also to utter some inane stuff about chronology. But the rules for CAA are not published by MHA yet, there is no automatic citizenship given to Hindus as they have to show proof of Non-Indian origin and there is NO F ACKING NRC DRAFT for fearmongering done by Islamists. All this is very dangerous, speculative and causing harm to the national fabric.

 

There is no F acking Hindu Rashtra agenda propogated by BJP. They are COngress with Cows, there is no respite tfor Hindus from this government in 6 years.

 

 

 

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But NRC is against very poor people, who are posing no immediate threat to normal Hindus.  Here clearly Human Rights are more important than any fear of danger of Muslim fanaticism.  We could not completely  kill the Human Rights in name of future danger.  A fine balance is necessary. 

 

 

Read about demography and how it is detrimental to National Security. It is not poor people, but poor people from BD. There is a big difference. Illegal immigration has been in every country's interest, EU libtards opened the borders for Syrian refugees and are now closing them. It has been an big issue in EU where these refugees want Sharia law implemented in EU. 

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23 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

Unfortunately it is. 

This is the main objection by the opposition.

The rules for CAA has yet to be approved. For CAA, they have to show proof for non-Indian origin. It is not a backdoor entry for NRC. Read the citizenship act fully. NRC exercise is a monumental one and can easily be f acked up as it it did in Assam. But this logic of CAA+NRC is a retarded one used as propaganda by Breaking India forces.

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On 7/24/2020 at 4:53 AM, Alam_dar said:

Although congress started it, but congress has to oppose it itself, while the shape it took later, it was inhumane. 

It is the very same rule. They were asking for BD HIndus to be given citizenship who are running away from BD facing religious discrimination. It was needed to fight Mamta then. Now, it became inhumane.

On 7/24/2020 at 4:53 AM, Alam_dar said:

These are not only Muslims, but United Nations and all the Human Rights Groups and all Liberals will always oppose such move like CAA.  

Big Fat Lie! It is not UN. It is UNHRC which has countries like Russia, CHina, Saudi, Pakistan :hehe:

It is a big F'in joke, a toothless propaganda machine to fight the West, Israel and now India too.

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1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

East Bengali Hindus can’t go back to WB, Muslims happily rehabilitated in WB. Other states have to involved in rehabilitation of these people Status quo maintained for now

Is this the official Policy of BJP?

Have they announced it?
If not, then why not?

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9 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Is this the official Policy of BJP?

Have they announced it?
If not, then why not?

No, practical situation of Doubtful citizens. Do you know D-voter was already a reality since a long time in Assam?  Now that the Bengali Hindus are citizens because of CAA, while there are many BD muslims in Assam who are D-voters as per the NRC Draft, BJP is doing damage control by asking or expecting other states to rehabilitate the Hindus. The Assam accord mandated by the indigenous Assamese that all Bengalis be thrown out - Muslimes and Hindus. But a lot of Muslims have managed to get fake identity cards through an official machinery that was used to win elections in Assam for a llong time. BJP thought the NRC will catch these BD Muslim illegals. The Assam NRC was a SC forced action on the government. Seeing the logistics, I don't think BJP will attempt to do, until or unless there are clear policies laid out by SC and/or formulated by Law. NRC is not  legislation, but a Govt order, like the Article370.  BJP is keeping mum now until dust settles or it is staying away from the flawed NRC exercise in Assam.

 

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/assams-flawed-nrc-exercise-has-the-stamp-of-the-congress-all-over-it

 

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6 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

Assam Accord or NO Accord, but simple question for you is this if BJP is going to solve this issue of millions of people loosing their citizenship and in state of doubtfulness and fears about their future?

Why  BJP is not answering it despite being asked for millions of times?

Who asked millions of times...first you answer me how it is muslims discriminatory which you kept blaberring about and government is not answerable to you also all the people who are identified as illegal wrongly has not been snatched their rights. How do you know government is not working on this. Show me a single person who has been sent in detention camp after their name wrongly appear in the list. So stop spreading your fake agenda like an iletrate saheen bagh protester and answer me how this law is discriminating on muslims which you cry in each and every thread .

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26 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Who asked millions of times...first you answer me how it is muslims discriminatory which you kept blaberring about and government is not answerable to you also all the people who are identified as illegal wrongly has not been snatched their rights. How do you know government is not working on this. Show me a single person who has been sent in detention camp after their name wrongly appear in the list. So stop spreading your fake agenda like an iletrate saheen bagh protester and answer me how this law is discriminating on muslims which you cry in each and every thread .

The Bakistani Phauj propaganda about India and Hindus is so pervasive, that even well-intentioned sincere liberals in that 'country' have bought into it.  

 

And in case you didn't know it, this cartoon isn't even one of those.

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6 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

No, practical situation of Doubtful citizens. Do you know D-voter was already a reality since a long time in Assam?  Now that the Bengali Hindus are citizens because of CAA, while there are many BD muslims in Assam who are D-voters as per the NRC Draft, BJP is doing damage control by asking or expecting other states to rehabilitate the Hindus. The Assam accord mandated by the indigenous Assamese that all Bengalis be thrown out - Muslimes and Hindus. But a lot of Muslims have managed to get fake identity cards through an official machinery that was used to win elections in Assam for a llong time. BJP thought the NRC will catch these BD Muslim illegals. The Assam NRC was a SC forced action on the government. Seeing the logistics, I don't think BJP will attempt to do, until or unless there are clear policies laid out by SC and/or formulated by Law. NRC is not  legislation, but a Govt order, like the Article370.  BJP is keeping mum now until dust settles or it is staying away from the flawed NRC exercise in Assam.

 

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/assams-flawed-nrc-exercise-has-the-stamp-of-the-congress-all-over-it

 

So, there is no announced policy by BJP, and all that you stated above are your own made stories?

 

You ask me to not to comment while national NRC bill is not presented by BJP, but here you are making your own stories regarding Assam.

 

Are you able to see your double standards?

 

I don't even feel the need to comment upon the solution that you presented in your stories, while they are so shameful, that even BJP is not daring to announce them at it's official policy. 

 

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6 hours ago, raki05 said:

first you answer me how it is muslims discriminatory which you kept blaberring

Brother, the discriminatory intentions of right wing Hindutva is evident everywhere. Just look what @coffee_rules wrote above:

 

6 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Now that the Bengali Hindus are citizens because of CAA .... 

I believe that  right wing of every country goes towards fanaticism in name of nationalism and religion, and they are the masters of false propaganda and brainwashing, but still it is impossible of Right Wing Hindutva to hide their evil intention in case of combination of CAA+NRC. 

 

 

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29 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

Brother, the discriminatory intentions of right wing Hindutva is evident everywhere. Just look what @coffee_rules wrote above:

 

I believe that  right wing of every country goes towards fanaticism in name of nationalism and religion, and they are the masters of false propaganda and brainwashing, but still it is impossible of Right Wing Hindutva to hide their evil intention in case of combination of CAA+NRC. 

 

 

Are you so ignorant? Where is Assam? Why would WB Hindus Or Hindus from anywhere go to Assam? They are all BD Hindus running away from Islamists like you, facing genocide, conversion and discrimination. CAA protects such minorities coming from BD, Pak . Why would BD Muslims go to Assam? Are they facing discrimination in BD? They are all pushed there with an agenda. This is Assam NRC we are talking about , not India wide NRC which is not even drafted.

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54 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

So, there is no announced policy by BJP, and all that you stated above are your own made stories?

 

You ask me to not to comment while national NRC bill is not presented by BJP, but here you are making your own stories regarding Assam.

 

Are you able to see your double standards?

 

I don't even feel the need to comment upon the solution that you presented in your stories, while they are so shameful, that even BJP is not daring to announce them at it's official policy. 

 

I am talking to somebody who can’t differentiate between Assam NRC and India NRC. Assam NRC is a logistical nightmare and a failure, which even BJP is disassociating. INC has protected all Bengali Muslims with fake IDs while bD Hindus are left to fend for themselves.

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1 hour ago, Alam_dar said:

 

Brother, the discriminatory intentions of right wing Hindutva is evident everywhere. Just look what @coffee_rules wrote above:

 

I believe that  right wing of every country goes towards fanaticism in name of nationalism and religion, and they are the masters of false propaganda and brainwashing, but still it is impossible of Right Wing Hindutva to hide their evil intention in case of combination of CAA+NRC. 

 

 

did he talk about Indian Hindu ?he is talking about bdshi hindu whom your peaceful has brutalized and thrown out of their contry. Also you keep talking CAA+NRC show me which government official or document refer both together. Looks like you are just a troll or else completely brainwashed by madarsa as you are talking the same lanuage of those jahil protester s who don't even know what is CAA and NRC and there is nothing called CAA+NRC.

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2 hours ago, raki05 said:

did he talk about Indian Hindu ?he is talking about bdshi hindu 

What?
ٰIf he is not talking about Indian Hindus in Assam who became prey of NRC along with Muslims, then why is he not talking about them, while my question was about the Hindus+Muslims who became prey of NRC in Assam?

Why then neither BJP, nor you are talking about the solution of this problem? 

 

Please, it is enough. You are only angry and this discussion will not take us anywhere. 

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Oh Man, Just because @vvvslaxman concerns and @velu rebuttal, I did watched AG Bill Bars hearing for about an hour before he took a break. Anyone who would have heard with even bollywood/hollywood type knowledge of what happens in hearing, would be laughing at Democrats. Anyone who would be a democrat should be angry at democrats. They all had come with a sermon to read which was more than time allocated to them. Effectively, all Bar had to do was sit there and smoke a Cigar as the hearing/questioning turned into a speech of democrats, whom occasionally Barr responded with one liners. Below is what NOT Democrats saw (I have no clue about local US issues but still I could watch it as court room joke drama and enjoy) .

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/michael-goodwin-barr-eats-nadlers-lunch-during-testimony

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5 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

What?
ٰIf he is not talking about Indian Hindus in Assam who became prey of NRC along with Muslims, then why is he not talking about them, while my question was about the Hindus+Muslims who became prey of NRC in Assam?

Why then neither BJP, nor you are talking about the solution of this problem? 

 

Please, it is enough. You are only angry and this discussion will not take us anywhere. 

Are you a stuborn troll what he pointed out that majority of muslims have fake id  and somehow they wer able to evade the process whereas many of migrant hindu and some Indian Hindu couldn't able to produce their citizenship because of Glitches in Asam NRC. Central government is aware of the ambiguity in asam NRC and hence is not going to implement it nation wide. Nationwide NRC is not a child's play and its still in draft mode just because troll like you shouting day in day out  it would not be out in months. It will be published after thorough review by upper and lower house of the countries and then it will be reviewed by honrable supreme court of india before it's implementation. You can see solution of the problem when it is out btw no one is suffering due to asam NRC even those migrant muslims whom our intention is to throw out to the hell hole from where they came . BTW you have only raised question, why don't you tell me the law which haven't even be created how it is discriminatory to Indian Muslims what is your source of information.

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18 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Are you a stuborn troll what he pointed out that majority of muslims have fake id  and somehow they wer able to evade the process whereas many of migrant hindu and some Indian Hindu couldn't able to produce their citizenship because of Glitches in Asam NRC. Central government is aware of the ambiguity in asam NRC and hence is not going to implement it nation wide. Nationwide NRC is not a child's play and its still in draft mode just because troll like you shouting day in day out  it would not be out in months. It will be published after thorough review by upper and lower house of the countries and then it will be reviewed by honrable supreme court of india before it's implementation. You can see solution of the problem when it is out btw no one is suffering due to asam NRC even those migrant muslims whom our intention is to throw out to the hell hole from where they came . BTW you have only raised question, why don't you tell me the law which haven't even be created how it is discriminatory to Indian Muslims what is your source of information.

That's well put. But, not good enough. He will be back again and sneak in a CAA+NRC rhetoric again someday. 

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1 minute ago, coffee_rules said:

That's well put. But, not good enough. He will back again and sneak in a CAA+NRC rhetoric again someday. 

Once he runs out of facts and arguments,  He says same thing again on another thread. He will derail threads with fake sob story and standard ISPR mouthpiece aganda

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52 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Are you a stuborn troll what he pointed out that majority of muslims have fake id  and somehow they wer able to evade the process whereas many of migrant hindu and some Indian Hindu couldn't able to produce their citizenship because of Glitches in Asam NRC. Central government is aware of the ambiguity in asam NRC and hence is not going to implement it nation wide. Nationwide NRC is not a child's play and its still in draft mode just because troll like you shouting day in day out  it would not be out in months. It will be published after thorough review by upper and lower house of the countries and then it will be reviewed by honrable supreme court of india before it's implementation. You can see solution of the problem when it is out btw no one is suffering due to asam NRC even those migrant muslims whom our intention is to throw out to the hell hole from where they came . BTW you have only raised question, why don't you tell me the law which haven't even be created how it is discriminatory to Indian Muslims what is your source of information.

ٰI already told you that I am not interested in the stories made by him. 

 

I asked you the question what is the solution presented by BJP about these millions of people who are prey of NRC in Assam. You could dance as much as you like at this point, but neither could you escape this question, nor could you hide the real intentions. 

 

If people entered India illegally, and also got their documents, then it is the mistake of the State of India, and not of the poor people and their younger generations who don't have even to eat. 

 

Therefore, if you want to punish, then punish the State of India, and not the innocent people. 

 

You people have already made your real intentions clear even here that all the Hindus in NRC of Assam will get the Indian citizenship through backdoor of CAA, while the citizenship of all the Muslim citizens will be taken away, and then pushed into the Bangladesh (as if Bangladesh will accept them as their citizens without any papers).  

 

Through this madness, right wing Hindutva is creating the same situation for the Muslims as was created in Burma against the Rohingiyas, or against the Jews by Hitler's Germany. 

 

 

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22 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

ٰI already told you that I am not interested in the stories made by him. 

 

I asked you the question what is the solution presented by BJP about these millions of people who are prey of NRC in Assam. You could dance as much as you like at this point, but neither could you escape this question, nor could you hide the real intentions. 

 

If people entered India illegally, and also got their documents, then it is the mistake of the State of India, and not of the poor people and their younger generations who don't have even to eat. 

 

Therefore, if you want to punish, then punish the State of India, and not the innocent people. 

 

You people have already made your real intentions clear even here that all the Hindus in NRC of Assam will get the Indian citizenship through backdoor of CAA, while the citizenship of all the Muslim citizens will be taken away, and then pushed into the Bangladesh (as if Bangladesh will accept them as their citizens without any papers).  

 

Through this madness, right wing Hindutva is creating the same situation for the Muslims as was created in Burma against the Rohingiyas, or against the Jews by Hitler's Germany. 

 

 

Who the hell you think you are we are answerable tooo....now you are showing your true colour by raising rohingiya, Israel issue along with NRC. Bloddy hypocrites you dint answer how the law is discriminatory to Indian Muslims. We are least bother to illegal muslim migrant. Indian state is not responsible to own them these leeches who do mass crimes do lootings and raise slogan against country who gave them place to live in and fed them. India or Indian don't have any responsibilities towards overseas muslims whose country was created on the basis of religion, you can cry a river but these leeches will be thrown to the gutter whole from where they came from. All pakistanis can cry and do mujra like they do for kashmir nothing else.

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35 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

ٰI already told you that I am not interested in the stories made by him. 

These are well researched material, not my stories.

35 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

I asked you the question what is the solution presented by BJP about these millions of people who are prey of NRC in Assam. You could dance as much as you like at this point, but neither could you escape this question, nor could you hide the real intentions. 

If you don't know the history of Assam, Assam NRC, 1951 Accord, 1985 accord setting the date to 1971 for Assam residents, then it's not worthwhile to have a discussion.

35 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

If people entered India illegally, and also got their documents, then it is the mistake of the State of India, and not of the poor people and their younger generations who don't have even to eat. 

 

35 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Therefore, if you want to punish, then punish the State of India, and not the innocent people. 

So Mexicans entering USA, it is USA's fault. So, penalize the government and let Mexicans stay. See if it gets accepted in any other country, including Pakistan.

35 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

You people have already made your real intentions clear even here that all the Hindus in NRC of Assam will get the Indian citizenship through backdoor of CAA, while the citizenship of all the Muslim citizens will be taken away, and then pushed into the Bangladesh (as if Bangladesh will accept them as their citizens without any papers).  

 

35 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

Through this madness, right wing Hindutva is creating the same situation for the Muslims as was created in Burma against the Rohingiyas, or against the Jews by Hitler's Germany. 

Do you even read before typing? BD Muslims were not discriminated in BD. The country was carved out for THEM. So, there is no discrimination.

They even discriminated Hindus there and now want to come to India for greener pastures. STAY TF IN YOUR COUNTRY. They are not Rohingyas who wanted a state for themselves in Myanmar (like LTTE in SL)  and are being thrown out.

OTOH, BD Hindus ran to Assam because they were hounded out of BD during partition, during 1971 war or even on a daily basis. That error correction, India owes to those Hindus, because we agreed for the partition. Call it a backdoor entry or whatever. 

35 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

In the end, you said Hitler/Jews. So, I will invoke the Godwin's law of debate and stop this madness.

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1 hour ago, raki05 said:

Who the hell you think you are we are answerable tooo....now you are showing your true colour by raising rohingiya, Israel issue along with NRC. Bloddy hypocrites you dint answer how the law is discriminatory to Indian Muslims. We are least bother to illegal muslim migrant. Indian state is not responsible to own them these leeches who do mass crimes do lootings and raise slogan against country who gave them place to live in and fed them. India or Indian don't have any responsibilities towards overseas muslims whose country was created on the basis of religion, you can cry a river but these leeches will be thrown to the gutter whole from where they came from. All pakistanis can cry and do mujra like they do for kashmir nothing else.

 

Whatever you write, it becomes irrelevant if you don't answer the very basic question about BJP's solution about these millions of people, who became prey of NRC.  

 

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1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

 

I request you to please reconsider your opinion on the humanitarian grounds. 

 

Bangladesh is not going to accept these Muslims as their citizen and they could not settle in WB as you suggested. They will become 2nd class citizens in India, just like Rohingyas were in Myanmar. 

 

The Mexicans entering US is the failure of US State. But on this bases, US could not punish the original US Mexican citizens, and could not send them back to Mexico. 

 

Secondly, if the 2nd and now 3rd generation of Mexicans is living in US, who was born and raised in US, and they know nothing about Mexico, then it is inhumane to take away their citizenship and send them to Mexico. 

 

Same is with Bengalis who came in 1971. That generation has perhaps already died in last 50 years. Their 3rd generation is living in India now. Indian State should have taken the action 50 years ago, and not now when their 3rd generation is born and raised in India. 

 

 

 

 

 

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21 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

Whatever you write, it becomes irrelevant if you don't answer the very basic question about BJP's solution about these millions of people, who became prey of NRC.  

 

Irrellevant to whom? India/ BJP is answerable to Indian people and Hindu's persecuted in muslim countries and not to the migrant muslims. Hope your thick skull can understand this.

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1 hour ago, raki05 said:

Irrellevant to whom? India/ BJP is answerable to Indian people and Hindu's persecuted in muslim countries and not to the migrant muslims. Hope your thick skull can understand this.

So, you don't have the answer to this very basic question. 

 

Ok. But BJP is answerable to these millions of people who are prey to this NRC, but still BJP failed in answering it to them ... and to millions of Muslims of whole India, and to all those secularist/liberal Indians who blame BJP for the evil intentions through combination of CAA+NRC.  Still BJP does not answer them. 

 

And I already told you my opinion about protesting upon the Basic Human Rights violation by the extremists, irrespective of borders. 

 

You see, Indian government protested upon the news that a Gurdwara in Lahore is going to be changed to a mosque. For me it is not interfering in Pakistan's internal matters. Not only India, but whole world should protest upon it against the State of Pakistan. Actually, you people are also protesting upon it in this forum and thus interfering in the internal matters of Pakistan, and I have absolutely no problem with it. Actually I support it fully. 

 

Therefore, I request you to please look at the practice of double standards from your side here. 

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My last post. 

 

@coffee_rules can you show me a single post from me where I protested a single time against BJP when it took action upon KASHMIR. 

 

For me, Kashmir is Muslim majority area, and Pakistan is supporting them, and fears of Muslim extremist threat is real.  Thus not even once I wrote against BJP's decision in this matter.

 

But the issue with those who have been effected by NRC is different. They are extremely poor people, who don't even have enough to eat. 

 

Religion of a poor man is only Roti first. 

 

They are absolutely not a threat to India. 

 

Please spare the human life as much as you can. 

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10 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

So, you don't have the answer to this very basic question. 

 

Ok. But BJP is answerable to these millions of people who are prey to this NRC, but still BJP failed in answering it to them ... and to millions of Muslims of whole India, and to all those secularist/liberal Indians who blame BJP for the evil intentions through combination of CAA+NRC.  Still BJP does not answer them. 

 

And I already told you my opinion about protesting upon the Basic Human Rights violation by the extremists, irrespective of borders. 

 

You see, Indian government protested upon the news that a Gurdwara in Lahore is going to be changed to a mosque. For me it is not interfering in Pakistan's internal matters. Not only India, but whole world should protest upon it against the State of Pakistan. Actually, you people are also protesting upon it in this forum and thus interfering in the internal matters of Pakistan, and I have absolutely no problem with it. Actually I support it fully. 

 

Therefore, I request you to please look at the practice of double standards from your side here. 

One last time what is CAA+NRC  where do you see this law implemented in India. 

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3 hours ago, raki05 said:

One last time what is CAA+NRC  where do you see this law implemented in India. 

Bhai, you put your point, you backed it with historical and current facts. But @Alam_dar mian is like that  table tennis top, Harder you hit the ball(facts and logic) with top spin , faster it pings off the surface.

 

So no, he will not look or soak the facts.

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On 7/27/2020 at 11:28 PM, someone said:

Obama is deeply unpopular, and strong resentment against his policies particular in battleground states. No wonder, he is so irrelevant today, and Biden doesn't bring his past record. He only can attack Trump, and meet lobby groups.

That's not true at all..I am not really a fan of Obama but he is probably the most popular and influentual political figure currently in US...he is especially very popular among millenials and Gen Z. The major reasons Biden won the Democratic nomination was mainly due to him being VP under Obama and Clyburn's endorsement.

 

Obama had a high approval rating by the end of his 2nd term, his approval rating was in high 50's..which is a excellent approval rating in this polarized era. For comparison, Bush's approval rating was around 30% during end of his 2nd term. Trump's current approval rating is around 40%.

 

Also, Obama won all the major battle ground states (Pennsylvania, Michigan, Florida, Wisconsin, Ohio, Minnesota, Nevada and even Iowa) in both his presidential elections....the areas where his popularity declined during his presidency were mainly areas that were dependent on coal industry(especially West Virginia).

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