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https://scroll.in/latest/967456/iran-removes-india-from-chabahar-rail-project-collaboration-citing-delays-draws-congress-criticism

 

My views:

 

(1) Firstly Trump made a huge mistake and he presented Iran to China on the plate. 

Recently, both China and Iran signed a 450 Billion Dollar deal. 
Iran would have not put all his eggs in the Chinese basket, if Trump would have not been there. China has strengthen itself a lot through it against US. 

 

(2) Then BJP Government made a huge mistake by delaying the Railway Line till Afghanistan. By doing so, India not only lost to China, but also to Pakistan in accessing Afghanistan. 

 

I don't know what was BJP thinking and why it delayed it. In fact, US allowed this project and it was not under the sanctions. 

 

(3) India has to show the world that it is a reliable partner.
But under BJP, not only Iran is doubting India, but also the people of Arab countries are now looking doubtful about India. 

 

All in all, not a good foreign policy by India. 

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Cost of doing business.  Increasingly close ties with the US, means that India had to accept American concerns about 'strengthening Iran'.  

 

And its not as if Iran was acting in favor of India in terms of foreign policy or public statements either.

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46 minutes ago, sandeep said:

Cost of doing business.  Increasingly close ties with the US, means that India had to accept American concerns about 'strengthening Iran'.  

Trump administration exempted this project due to it's importance. Therefore, it was not in way of making relations  bad with US. 

 

46 minutes ago, sandeep said:

And its not as if Iran was acting in favor of India in terms of foreign policy or public statements either.

I believe that pushing Iran in the lap of China/Pakistan does not seem to be a wise decision. 

 

Secondly, in my view this project was very important to have contact with the Afghan Government. Therefore, again it does not seem to be a wise decision from this angle. 

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Doing business with Iran invites sanctions. You do get cheap oil but you have to support Iran a lot. Nothing to do with old era Or new era or Trump. Its Saudi sheikhs who have said to India that they can be reliable if we aren’t unreasonable. India hasn’t got muscles like Chinese to flex in front of Americans and Sheikhs
 

Saying that, India Iran relationship is special and historical in some sense. Whatever some state Iranian head says, Iran probably is only Islamic country which holds serious goodwill among Indian population. Value of goodwill can’t be easily measured, for example Chinese export to India has allmost halved since Galwan.

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2 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

I believe that pushing Iran in the lap of China/Pakistan does not seem to be a wise decision. 

 

Secondly, in my view this project was very important to have contact with the Afghan Government. Therefore, again it does not seem to be a wise decision from this angle. 

Indian MEA is neither stupid nor incompetent.  I trust their judgement and efficacy.  

 

The Primary objective of Chabahar and rail link to Zahedan, was to break the Pakistani chokehold on Afghan imports.  That goal has been achieved, in major parts if not wholly.  Thanks to the leverage created by Chabahar, PakMil mafia has "generously" allowed Afghans to resume trade with India via the land border at Wagah. 

 

And again, to spell it out for simpletons like you, this decision may be blamed by Iran on reluctance or delay of Indian funding, but that doesn't necessarily make it true.  It takes 2 hands to clap, and the Iranians are clearly not overly keen on being too close to India at the moment. 

 

 

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12 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

(3) India has to show the world that it is a reliable partner.
But under BJP, not only Iran is doubting India, but also the people of Arab countries are now looking doubtful about India. 

 

All in all, not a good foreign policy by India. 

Pakistan has to show the world that its not an international migraine. What are you lot and kaali daal doing about it ? 

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10 hours ago, sandeep said:

Indian MEA is neither stupid nor incompetent.  I trust their judgement and efficacy.  

It is your personal opinion. 

While congress and others have openly questioned this delay and blamed it upon the laziness of BJP led government. 

 

 

10 hours ago, sandeep said:

The Primary objective of Chabahar and rail link to Zahedan, was to break the Pakistani chokehold on Afghan imports.  That goal has been achieved, in major parts if not wholly.  Thanks to the leverage created by Chabahar, PakMil mafia has "generously" allowed Afghans to resume trade with India via the land border at Wagah. 

I don't agree with your assessment here. 


Pak Military agreed for corridor to Afghanistan due to the pressure of this alternative Iranian route, and due to the Indian presence in Iran, near the Pakistan border, through which Kalbhushan entered Pakistan (according to Pakistani sources). 

 

Now when once India is kicked out of this project and region, then what is going to stop Pak Military to not to blackmail India again and ban the land route to Afghanistan for India. 

 

Sure, India may use the Iranian route, but without being a partner, this route will become even more expensive (and remember it was already an expensive route due to it's length and the transportation through see first and then through train). 

 

 

10 hours ago, sandeep said:

And again, to spell it out for simpletons like you, this decision may be blamed by Iran on reluctance or delay of Indian funding, but that doesn't necessarily make it true.  It takes 2 hands to clap, and the Iranians are clearly not overly keen on being too close to India at the moment. 

This is known as good/bad foreign policy decisions.

 

There was no such problem at least in this project. Iranians were eager for many years to complete this project , but the delay was coming only from the Indian side.

 

In my opinion, it was not only the question of route to Afghanistan, but also the Indian presence in the Chahbahar area and port. 

 

Now in absence of India, the Chahbahar Port will get the presence of the China. There is already a talk about Chinese Naval Ships Presence there too. 

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@Alam_dar I'm confused. India has lost the contract for the railway collaboration project. But India has helped Iran build the port and is involved in its upkeep. Some trade and even humanitarian relief work between India, Iran and Central Asia passes through that port.

Why would losing the railway contract mean that India has no presence in the region?

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4 hours ago, Alam_dar said:

It is your personal opinion. 

While congress and others have openly questioned this delay and blamed it upon the laziness of BJP led government. 

Tomorrow if BJP says Rainbow has 7 colors, "congress and others" will openly question it.  That's how opposition politics works on 99.9% issues.  I know as a child of a 'country' that only survives under military mafia jackboots, that you do not have a good understanding of free democracy and free media.  But at least try.

 

1 hour ago, Mariyam said:

@Alam_dar I'm confused. India has lost the contract for the railway collaboration project. But India has helped Iran build the port and is involved in its upkeep. Some trade and even humanitarian relief work between India, Iran and Central Asia passes through that port.

Why would losing the railway contract mean that India has no presence in the region?

He has no idea what he is talking about.  He thinks watching a couple of episodes of Ertugul qualifies him to discuss 'siyasat'. 

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1 hour ago, Mariyam said:

@Alam_dar I'm confused. India has lost the contract for the railway collaboration project. But India has helped Iran build the port and is involved in its upkeep. Some trade and even humanitarian relief work between India, Iran and Central Asia passes through that port.

Why would losing the railway contract mean that India has no presence in the region?

AFAIK, the Chabahar port agreement was signed few years ago, and Iran doesn't have an easy way to get out of it.  So we have(had?) at least 10 years of guaranteed access.  Possibly renewable.  

 

 

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1 hour ago, Mariyam said:

@Alam_dar I'm confused. India has lost the contract for the railway collaboration project. But India has helped Iran build the port and is involved in its upkeep. Some trade and even humanitarian relief work between India, Iran and Central Asia passes through that port.

Why would losing the railway contract mean that India has no presence in the region?

ISPR has propaganda wing. :cantstop: Its not difficult to see soft narrative in most of his posts. Colors and Flavours of his messages have been revised to unrecognizable level since he joined the forum.

 

Now a days, all he posts are:

1. BJP/Modi is bad and failure and Hindutva is Nazi and fascist. So India and Indians are doomed.

2. Hinduism is barbaric (slave trade,casteism,Kashmir,mob lynch)

3. Supports unreasonably and unquestionally to all anti Hindu and anti Indian so called liberal lobby.

4. For international stuff, His anti Trump stuff (Ok I can digest that) but same time his support to Chinsese Empire LOL LOL LOL. List is endless.

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6 hours ago, Clarke said:

Pakistan has to show the world that its not an international migraine. What are you lot and kaali daal doing about it ? 

They are making music videos that show how Imran Khan as a 'leader' has brought new "respect" to Pakistan.

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4 hours ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Google will invest $10B in India supporting NaMo's vision of digital India. OP will never create a thread on this :mad:

I'm partly concerned about that. It will bring more jobs but I hope this is not a new form of colonialism.

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16 hours ago, Mariyam said:

@Alam_dar

Why would losing the railway contract mean that India has no presence in the region?

 

I believe that it will result in limiting the presence of India at least, and India could see its influence diminish overtime. 

 

Indian presence will also be badly effected and challenged with the Chinese presence in the same area. According to the reports, Chinese will get the projects at Shaheed Bahishti part of the Gawadar port. 

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As I stated above, I think both US and India made a mistake, and Iran was cornered too much, and the Chinese took full advantage of this situation. 

 

Trump is a fool. And following this fool, also brought bad consequences to India. 

 

The present government of BJP  perhaps over flirted with US and lost friends like Russia and Iran. Russia supported India when India was crisis but to appease US, India lost its most valued friend. Howdy Modi, Namaste Trump are perhaps the reasons for present day woes.

 

During Congress era,  oil for food programme immensely benefited Iran and India as india was paying them in rupees and also exporting its product to Iran . Saving foreign currency and oil price was stable in India during congress times. 

 

This policy by the Indian government not only compelled Iran towards China, but it is the block of China/Pakistan. And ultimately, it will compel the Afghan government too to join this block.

 

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BJP backed Indian Media blaming that Iran backstabs India. 

 

But the Experts (Retired Generals and Professors and experts of India-Iran relationship) are trying to bring some sense to them. 

 

All of these experts are saying the same thing which congress is saying. For example, going too close to Trump and following him on his Iran's policy was a mistake, leaving Iran completely gave China the golden opportunity to make this deal, China has now immense presence in Indian Ocean, keeping relationship with Afghan government will become difficult without Iran etc. 

 

In short words, we are seeing here an Indian diplomatic and foreign policy failure.

 

 

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