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Who among England and India would be more Dominating in next Decade?

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If there are 2 teams in world that have depth in quality bench strength its England and India , WI may be 3rd but inconsistency is a huge issue among them. 

Not only both India n England have quality bench strength but there is variety of skills among the players across format as well. I doubt that they ll dominate world cricket like Wi or Aus has coz the bowling might not still be at that level but surely they ll dominate in next 10 years. 

 

Among other teams 

Aus- dont see a the volume of quality players coming up

SA, SL, - looks quite bad

Pakistan- they ll always produce talent but they have many other problems

NZ- not sure about them 

 

Who ever utilise their resources to the fullest will dominate more. 

 

But for sake of Predictions whom do you think will dominate more among the two teams ?

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5 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Who ever utilise their resources to the fullest will dominate more. 

A lot wud depend on the Think tank as they have to utilize the resources . 

  • Captaincy - Root for england in test and kohli for India in LOI havent done that to a full extent specially kohli.
  • India looks to be struggling on Head coach front as well whereas England's selection committee, coach, Director have done wonders in taking the team to next level. 
  • IPL is an advantage to Indian cricket, which also hasnt been fully utilized 

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I think England will go on rampage in future ICC tournaments now that the monkey is off their back. No version of Indian team can stop an English white ball side in full flow and it isn't because we lack talent.......so we will lag behind in shorter formats. 

 

I am still hopeful that we will do better in tests. Maybe this Aussie bunch will be top of the rankings for next 2 years and then India will take over for rest of the decade. Though I expect our home dominance to reach legendary status, we must target 50-1 by end of next home cycle :laugh:. We will win at least one series each in RSA, Eng, Aus and NZ this decade. Don't ask me how I arrived at this prediction, just a gut instinct. 

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I have lost hope in India doing good in Tests in SENA after losing badly in 2020 0-2 with no fightback.
Forget SEA,

India won a series in NZ last time in 2008-09 (12 years ago).

India won a series in Eng last time in  2007 (13 years ago)

India won a series in Aus first time against a depleted side in 2020

India has never a series in SA, may be the next time they will..

 

India is not a force in shorter form either, Making it to Semis in WC is no BFD. Hope Kohli wins at least one ICC event. For that, we need Rohit in top form. Gun players like KL, Pant, Shreyas to fire up. Bumrah, and some wrist spinners. 

 

 

 

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Which format are you talking about though? T20s will be a merry go round as always. I dont think England will dominate ODIs for much longer.  The gap between them and the other teams will be closed soon I suppose. In tests, I think Australia will be on top for a while and they look like a complete test side. 

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33 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Which format are you talking about though? T20s will be a merry go round as always. I dont think England will dominate ODIs for much longer.  The gap between them and the other teams will be closed soon I suppose. In tests, I think Australia will be on top for a while and they look like a complete test side. 

 A good team shud dominate across formats

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One must never write off Australia. People made the mistake in the 80s when they almost reached minnow status. Most competitive people on the planet when it comes to sports, immense pride and dedication, mental/physical toughness and fighting spirit like no other team, not for no reason are they such a mighty sports nation. 

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England has some potential ATGs playing for them and has a great pool of players already coming through. They also prioritize winning over handing contracts to friends. I see them dominating this decade in tests and tournament cricket. Australia & New Zealand will do well as well.

 

India will continue to win home test matches and a plethora of meaningless home limited over matches and fall flat in all the crunch tournament games. We will also lose abroad because we never prepare for those games. IPL will get even more serious and I can see Indian players Pandya dedicating themselves to IPL over international cricket. 

 

Pakistan & West Indies will continue their merry ways of beast or bust mode. South Africa will rejuvenate under de kock but may never reach the heights of 2010-2015. Sri Lanka and Bangladesh will continue their journey of mediocrity.

 

Afghanistan will rise.  I foresee them beating all test playing countries in limited overs and also winning test matches in places like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, West Indies. 

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2 minutes ago, Sandeep99 said:

Sadly I never see the so called talent that ICF hypes up translate to international cricket. England's supposedly mediocre players are better than so called gems found from the maidans of Bombay.

True. The hype machine  (not just in ICF) among our fans is on an other level.  Hardly translates into any match winning players. Last decade was a sober reflection of that.

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13 hours ago, Gollum said:

One must never write off Australia. People made the mistake in the 80s when they almost reached minnow status. Most competitive people on the planet when it comes to sports, immense pride and dedication, mental/physical toughness and fighting spirit like no other team, not for no reason are they such a mighty sports nation. 

I dont the know names that wud be mainstay in net 10 years , the 2 i can think are manus and jhye 

But yea if they can make a leggie best batsman in world and a youngsters avg 30 in domestic as one of the mainstay in last 1 year they can be at top. But just that i dont knw what new talent is coming , with england and india i can name many 

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If India has to dominate we need

  • Different format captain
  • team director
  • better coaching staff
  • Different set of players for diff format. Give importance to IPL for t20 and A games n ranji for red ball 
  • Have aggressive and out of box ideas
  • Selectors who understands modern cricket and eye for right talent

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England.

 

They seem to have a lot more professional set up and an actual mission and a template to implement it to be the best in all formats.

 

India from a business standpoint I have all the confidence as we do have some really shrewd and intelligent folk running admin and business side of things, however from a cricketing stand point- Selectors,Team management,NCA etc we seem to be lagging behind.

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17 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 A good team shud dominate across formats

There will be less and less players crossing format. The workloads and the intensity required is already a bit excessive. We will see more specialists for each format and, therefore, very different teams across formats. 

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To say that there is a dearth of talent in India right now is patently false. There are more bowlers clocking 140 + than in any previous decade in our cricketing history , There are young confident guys who score tons on their first tours of England and australia - something which even Dravid could not do etc. But as long as we keep recycling the thakurs, jadhavs, karthiks, dhonis - you cant expect us to evolve to the next level. 

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22 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

There will be less and less players crossing format. The workloads and the intensity required is already a bit excessive. We will see more specialists for each format and, therefore, very different teams across formats. 

Tha shud happen and we have top players n depth for every format and so does england

 

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On 7/21/2020 at 2:57 PM, Ankit_sharma03 said:

If there are 2 teams in world that have depth in quality bench strength its England and India , WI may be 3rd but inconsistency is a huge issue among them. 

Not only both India n England have quality bench strength but there is variety of skills among the players across format as well. I doubt that they ll dominate world cricket like Wi or Aus has coz the bowling might not still be at that level but surely they ll dominate in next 10 years. 

 

Among other teams 

Aus- dont see a the volume of quality players coming up

SA, SL, - looks quite bad

Pakistan- they ll always produce talent but they have many other problems

NZ- not sure about them 

 

Who ever utilise their resources to the fullest will dominate more. 

 

But for sake of Predictions whom do you think will dominate more among the two teams ?

What would be your India A side in 50 over cricket if you had to pick the team tomorrow? Don't include youngsters who are already part of the senior team like Rahul, Pandya, Iyer and Saini! 

Would you say your team will be good enough to defeat both South Africa and Sri Lanka in a 5-match series since they "look quite bad"?

Also you left out Bangladesh who I think will do much better in the next decade. They always produce awesome players at the U19 level, they just need to graduate to the next level! 

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7 minutes ago, SecondSlip said:

What would be your India A side in 50 over cricket if you had to pick the team tomorrow? Don't include youngsters who are already part of the senior team like Rahul, Pandya, Iyer and Saini! 

 

Lets say if this is the senior 15

  1. Dhawan 
  2. Rohit
  3. Kohli
  4. Iyer
  5. Rahul
  6. Jadeja
  7. Hardik
  8. Bhuvi
  9. Shami
  10. Bumrah
  11. Chahal
  12. Kuldeep
  13. Saini
  14. Manish pandey 
  15. Pant

India-A shud be 

 

  1. Shaw
  2. Samson
  3. Gill
  4. Vijay shankar
  5. Nitish Rana
  6. Kishen 
  7. Axar 
  8. Rahul chahar
  9. Prasidh
  10. Rajpoot 
  11. Mavi 
  12. Devdutt 
  13. Mayank
  14. K gowtham 
  15. Khaleel 

Also -Abdul Samad/ Sarfraz/ Riyan parag ( not entirely there but all very good LOI prospects)

7 minutes ago, SecondSlip said:



Would you say your team will be good enough to defeat both South Africa and Sri Lanka in a 5-match series since they "look quite bad"?

yes 

7 minutes ago, SecondSlip said:



Also you left out Bangladesh who I think will do much better in the next decade. They always produce awesome players at the U19 level, they just need to graduate to the next level! 

I dont see to many runaway match winners with them specially in bowling like they had novelty of mustafizur for a brief time 

 

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On 7/23/2020 at 9:03 PM, SecondSlip said:

Another point I forgot to add @Ankit_sharma03 

 

Team India ain’t dominating anything with Kohli and Shastri in charge. 

its just not about shastri n kohli in regds to domination, for that we need to many more changes

  • selectors
  • quality over quantity cricketer
  • A team director over these guys head pref foreigner
  • Our own board president ganguly doesnt understand format difference much so u can understand how deep our problems are. 

Domination requires a overall mental makeup of structure  then just 2 people

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England looks better placed upto and including the next World Cup in ODIs. The current top 3 for India will all be either on their last legs or dropped due to age-related decline by then. India will basically have to find at least 2-3 star caliber batsmen to replace  Rohit/Dhawan/Kohli. Rahul has a good shot of replacing one of the openers. However, there are still 1-2 more needed. 

 

T20 is a marginally favours England because they know how to select different teams for different formats..  We don't use the IPL enough to pick players, and shove ODI players into the T20 team, otherwise we would be in a better position in that format. 

 

Tests, India. England will lose Anderson and Broad soon. That is 1000+ wickets to replace. Those two are the last remnants of their number 1 test side, which also won a series in India. Stokes looks like a superstar, but the rest of their team isn't exactly inspiring.  Root is over-hyped thus far. 

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One advantage India has over england in test is home condition dominance

India is almost unbeatable at home, England is defeated 1 test in every series by opposition whereas Indian team pretty much whitewash series at home. England dominance at home will take further hit once anderson n broad retires . 

 

India with ashwin, jadeja, shami, umesh, bumrah, kuldeep will be dominanting heavily at home fore few years and Rahul chahar and Siraj i feel will carry this tradition at home. Also we have batting - rohit, mayank, pujara, kohli, vihari, pant, Rahul, gill who will keep pilling 600 at home. 

 

So in terms of win % India has benefit of home condition

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