coffee_rules Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) Satyavachan. There is no player that can't be ridiculed for having something in the stats or career summary that can show his weakness. There is no perfect player, not even Bradman! A perfect Statsguru favorite! Bradman - Can't pick any statistic hole, may be weak against short pitch bowling. His performance in the Bodyline series dipped majorly. He also didn't want to play in India. Bradman has had behavioral issues, There is an anecdote where the ship docked in Bombay for a day or two. All other players went out of the ship to play on invitation with some Bombay local cricketers. Bradman stayed in his ship. https://www.cricketcountry.com/articles/10-cricketers-whom-sir-don-bradman-rubbed-the-wrong-way-17275 Quote Vijay Merchant and the Indians: In 1948, on the way to England for Bradman’s final series, Strathaird, the ship carrying the Australian cricketers, docked at Bombay. The news reached many cricket-mad Indians who rushed to the harbour for a sight of the great man. A large group of students gathered in the wharf, shouting, “We want Bradman.” When Bradman appeared at the rails of the deck, the cheer that went up was deafening. Vijay Merchant led a contingent of Indian cricketers to Bradman’s cabin and requested him to disembark so that the men who had assembled could meet him. Vice-captain Lindsay Hassett, and journalists Ray Robinson and Fingleton obliged, and also went down for a bit of cricket at the Brabourne Stadium. Bradman, however, refused. He never set foot in India. Pick any player, somebody can pick out something wrong with him. When nothing works, they say, form is temporary, class is permanent! Hah! Edited July 23, 2020 by coffee_rules Link to comment
maniac Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 Rohit Sharma has filled all the gaps in his odi resurgence. I am talking about stats, no body fat jokes Every player has a bad patch and there is always a peak and decline and the amount of intangible models we need to add or subtract someone’s greatness, there is never going to be a perfect cricketer. That includes Bradman. Link to comment
Adamant Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 13 minutes ago, maniac said: Rohit Sharma has filled all the gaps in his odi resurgence. I am talking about stats, no body fat jokes Every player has a bad patch and there is always a peak and decline and the amount of intangible models we need to add or subtract someone’s greatness, there is never going to be a perfect cricketer. That includes Bradman. Rohit Sharma can't play swing to save his life . Also posters can accuse him of choking in knockouts too. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment
velu Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 2 hours ago, maniac said: Rohit Sharma has filled all the gaps in his odi resurgence. I am talking about stats, no body fat jokes when the ball swings , gap between his bat and the ball will be atleast few meters Link to comment
velu Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 i think we can find bowlers with perfect stats ... much more difficult for the batsmen to have perfect stats Link to comment
maniac Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 7 minutes ago, velu said: when the ball swings , gap between his bat and the ball will be atleast few meters He fixed that. 5 100s in swinging conditions in England. Pak and SA matches being the prime examples :) Link to comment
zen Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) It appears as if people lack information on the Bodyline series .... In the Bodyline series, for Aus, Bradman had the highest runs (close to 400 in 4 tests), highest average 57 and highest SR of 75. Next best avg for Aus was McCabe's 43. Other Aus batsmen averaged less than 40. View overall figures [change view] Primary team Australia Opposition team England Home or away home venue Start of match date between 1 Jan 1932 and 1 Jan 1934 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 100 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 8 of 8 First Previous Next Last Return to query menuCleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s DG Bradman 4 8 1 396 103* 56.57 529 74.85 1 3 1 48 1 SJ McCabe 5 10 1 385 187* 42.77 647 59.50 1 1 1 48 1 LS Darling 2 4 0 148 85 37.00 243 60.90 0 1 0 14 0 WM Woodfull 5 10 1 305 73* 33.88 994 30.68 0 3 1 15 0 VY Richardson 5 10 0 279 83 27.90 597 46.73 0 1 3 25 0 WAS Oldfield 4 7 2 136 52 27.20 341 39.88 0 1 0 10 0 JHW Fingleton 3 6 0 150 83 25.00 455 32.96 0 1 2 11 0 WH Ponsford 3 6 0 141 85 23.50 356 39.60 0 1 1 10 0 Edited July 22, 2020 by zen Link to comment
Gollum Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, zen said: It appears as if people lack information on the Bodyline series .... In the Bodyline series, Bradman had the highest runs (close to 400), highest average for Aus 57 and highest SR of 75 for Aus. Next best for Aus was McCabe with an avg of 43. Other Aus batsmen averaged less than 40. View overall figures [change view] Primary team Australia Opposition team England Home or away home venue Start of match date between 1 Jan 1932 and 1 Jan 1934 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 100 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 8 of 8 First Previous Next Last Return to query menuCleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s DG Bradman 4 8 1 396 103* 56.57 529 74.85 1 3 1 48 1 SJ McCabe 5 10 1 385 187* 42.77 647 59.50 1 1 1 48 1 LS Darling 2 4 0 148 85 37.00 243 60.90 0 1 0 14 0 WM Woodfull 5 10 1 305 73* 33.88 994 30.68 0 3 1 15 0 VY Richardson 5 10 0 279 83 27.90 597 46.73 0 1 3 25 0 WAS Oldfield 4 7 2 136 52 27.20 341 39.88 0 1 0 10 0 JHW Fingleton 3 6 0 150 83 25.00 455 32.96 0 1 2 11 0 WH Ponsford 3 6 0 141 85 23.50 356 39.60 0 1 1 10 0 Ponsford and McCabe will be contenders in an all time Australian XI, will most definitely get into their 2nd XI. At his most vulnerable Bradman outscored them. In comparison Lara, Ponting, SRT, Dravid at their worst have had numbers worse than tailenders. Don is don, no matter how much people try to bring him down...always the GOAT. World of cricket will never see another player like him. Laaloo 1 Link to comment
zen Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 6 minutes ago, Gollum said: Don is don, no matter how much people try to bring him down...always the GOAT. World of cricket will never see another player like him. Perfects stats are relative and Don has those! .... Other batsmen with perfect stats (relatively) include Greg Chappell from what I recall (may have to relook that) Link to comment
zen Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 15 minutes ago, Gollum said: In comparison Lara, Ponting, SRT, Dravid at their worst have had numbers worse than tailenders. True, look at Ind in SL in 2008 for example View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Sri Lanka Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date between 1 Jan 2008 and 1 Jan 2009 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 12 of 12 First Previous Next Last Return to query menuCleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Sehwag 3 6 1 344 201* 68.80 366 93.98 1 1 0 46 5 G Gambhir 3 6 0 310 74 51.66 568 54.57 0 3 0 40 0 VVS Laxman 3 6 1 215 61* 43.00 443 48.53 0 2 0 18 0 R Dravid 3 6 0 148 68 24.66 358 41.34 0 1 0 15 0 SC Ganguly 3 6 0 96 35 16.00 226 42.47 0 0 1 11 2 SR Tendulkar 3 6 0 95 31 15.83 155 61.29 0 0 0 11 0 I Sharma 3 6 3 35 17* 11.66 126 27.77 0 0 3 1 0 Harbhajan Singh 3 6 0 65 26 10.83 96 67.70 0 0 0 9 0 KD Karthik 2 4 0 36 20 9.00 55 65.45 0 0 1 2 2 Z Khan 3 6 1 43 32 8.60 129 33.33 0 0 1 3 1 PA Patel 1 2 0 14 13 7.00 44 31.81 0 0 0 1 0 A Kumble 3 6 0 29 12 4.83 100 29.00 0 0 0 3 0 Gollum and Rasgulla 1 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, zen said: True, look at Ind in SL in 2008 for example View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team Sri Lanka Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date between 1 Jan 2008 and 1 Jan 2009 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 12 of 12 First Previous Next Last Return to query menuCleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s V Sehwag 3 6 1 344 201* 68.80 366 93.98 1 1 0 46 5 G Gambhir 3 6 0 310 74 51.66 568 54.57 0 3 0 40 0 VVS Laxman 3 6 1 215 61* 43.00 443 48.53 0 2 0 18 0 R Dravid 3 6 0 148 68 24.66 358 41.34 0 1 0 15 0 SC Ganguly 3 6 0 96 35 16.00 226 42.47 0 0 1 11 2 SR Tendulkar 3 6 0 95 31 15.83 155 61.29 0 0 0 11 0 I Sharma 3 6 3 35 17* 11.66 126 27.77 0 0 3 1 0 Harbhajan Singh 3 6 0 65 26 10.83 96 67.70 0 0 0 9 0 KD Karthik 2 4 0 36 20 9.00 55 65.45 0 0 1 2 2 Z Khan 3 6 1 43 32 8.60 129 33.33 0 0 1 3 1 PA Patel 1 2 0 14 13 7.00 44 31.81 0 0 0 1 0 A Kumble 3 6 0 29 12 4.83 100 29.00 0 0 0 3 0 In 2003 Murali had better batting numbers than Sachin in tests, 99% sure of that. Laaloo, Rasgulla and zen 2 1 Link to comment
zen Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Gollum said: In 2003 Murali had better batting numbers than Sachin in tests, 99% sure of that. Ind in SA 1992 View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team South Africa Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date between 1 Jan 1992 and 1 Jan 1993 Ordered by runs scored (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 13 of 13 First Previous Next Last Return to query menuCleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s N Kapil Dev 3 4 0 168 129 42.00 237 70.88 1 0 0 20 1 PK Amre 3 5 1 163 103 40.75 513 31.77 1 0 0 17 0 SR Tendulkar 3 5 0 129 111 25.80 317 40.69 1 0 1 21 0 M Azharuddin 3 5 0 113 60 22.60 204 55.39 0 1 0 11 0 KS More 3 4 0 102 55 25.50 389 26.22 0 1 0 7 0 SV Manjrekar 3 5 1 68 32* 17.00 255 26.66 0 0 1 5 0 A Jadeja 2 3 0 60 43 20.00 197 30.45 0 0 0 5 0 A Kumble 3 4 1 60 21* 20.00 210 28.57 0 0 0 6 0 RJ Shastri 3 5 0 59 23 11.80 412 14.32 0 0 0 6 0 M Prabhakar 3 4 0 43 17 10.75 142 30.28 0 0 0 2 0 WV Raman 1 2 0 21 21 10.50 97 21.64 0 0 1 2 0 J Srinath 2 2 1 6 5 6.00 17 35.29 0 0 0 0 0 SLV Raju 1 2 2 2 2* - 8 25.00 0 0 0 0 0 Link to comment
Gollum Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, zen said: Ind in SA 1992 View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team South Africa Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date between 1 Jan 1992 and 1 Jan 1993 Ordered by runs scored (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 13 of 13 First Previous Next Last Return to query menuCleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s N Kapil Dev 3 4 0 168 129 42.00 237 70.88 1 0 0 20 1 PK Amre 3 5 1 163 103 40.75 513 31.77 1 0 0 17 0 SR Tendulkar 3 5 0 129 111 25.80 317 40.69 1 0 1 21 0 M Azharuddin 3 5 0 113 60 22.60 204 55.39 0 1 0 11 0 KS More 3 4 0 102 55 25.50 389 26.22 0 1 0 7 0 SV Manjrekar 3 5 1 68 32* 17.00 255 26.66 0 0 1 5 0 A Jadeja 2 3 0 60 43 20.00 197 30.45 0 0 0 5 0 A Kumble 3 4 1 60 21* 20.00 210 28.57 0 0 0 6 0 RJ Shastri 3 5 0 59 23 11.80 412 14.32 0 0 0 6 0 M Prabhakar 3 4 0 43 17 10.75 142 30.28 0 0 0 2 0 WV Raman 1 2 0 21 21 10.50 97 21.64 0 0 1 2 0 J Srinath 2 2 1 6 5 6.00 17 35.29 0 0 0 0 0 SLV Raju 1 2 2 2 2* - 8 25.00 0 0 0 0 0 He got his customary 100 I see, for him and his fans mission accomplished. Edited July 22, 2020 by Gollum Laaloo 1 Link to comment
zen Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, Gollum said: He got his customary 100 I see, for him and his fans mission accomplished. Even in 96-97 series View overall figures [change view] Primary team India Opposition team South Africa Home or away away (home of opposition) Start of match date between 1 Jan 1996 and 1 Jan 1998 Ordered by runs scored (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 13 of 13 First Previous Next Last Return to query menuCleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s R Dravid 3 6 1 277 148 55.40 693 39.97 1 1 0 38 0 SR Tendulkar 3 6 0 241 169 40.16 418 57.65 1 0 0 39 0 SC Ganguly 3 6 0 202 73 33.66 397 50.88 0 2 1 32 2 M Azharuddin 3 6 0 160 115 26.66 169 94.67 1 0 0 25 2 NR Mongia 3 6 0 86 50 14.33 283 30.38 0 1 0 11 0 A Kumble 3 6 1 66 29 13.20 204 32.35 0 0 0 4 1 V Rathour 2 4 0 66 44 16.50 224 29.46 0 0 0 6 0 J Srinath 3 5 0 63 41 12.60 121 52.06 0 0 1 5 0 VVS Laxman 2 3 2 40 35* 40.00 136 29.41 0 0 0 5 0 BKV Prasad 3 6 2 23 15 5.75 56 41.07 0 0 1 2 0 WV Raman 2 4 0 22 16 5.50 70 31.42 0 0 1 2 0 DJ Johnson 1 2 0 8 5 4.00 22 36.36 0 0 0 1 0 D Ganesh 2 4 2 4 2* 2.00 41 9.75 0 0 0 0 0 Link to comment
coffee_rules Posted July 22, 2020 Author Share Posted July 22, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, zen said: It appears as if people lack information on the Bodyline series .... In the Bodyline series, for Aus, Bradman had the highest runs (close to 400 in 4 tests), highest average 57 and highest SR of 75. Next best avg for Aus was McCabe's 43. Other Aus batsmen averaged less than 40. View overall figures [change view] Primary team Australia Opposition team England Home or away home venue Start of match date between 1 Jan 1932 and 1 Jan 1934 Qualifications runs scored greater than or equal to 100 Ordered by batting average (descending) Page 1 of 1 Showing 1 - 8 of 8 First Previous Next Last Return to query menuCleared query menu Overall figures Player Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s DG Bradman 4 8 1 396 103* 56.57 529 74.85 1 3 1 48 1 SJ McCabe 5 10 1 385 187* 42.77 647 59.50 1 1 1 48 1 LS Darling 2 4 0 148 85 37.00 243 60.90 0 1 0 14 0 WM Woodfull 5 10 1 305 73* 33.88 994 30.68 0 3 1 15 0 VY Richardson 5 10 0 279 83 27.90 597 46.73 0 1 3 25 0 WAS Oldfield 4 7 2 136 52 27.20 341 39.88 0 1 0 10 0 JHW Fingleton 3 6 0 150 83 25.00 455 32.96 0 1 2 11 0 3 6 0 141 85 23.50 356 39.60 0 1 1 10 0 For a person who scored 100+ average, 57 will seem a failure. Also, he would score 4 to 5 big 100s, just 1 century and highest 103 is a failure. Aus lost the series 3-1 even with his supposedly big performace, so a failure. He had trouble batting short pitched balls. GC avoided playing in India and SL. He only played in Pakustany Edited July 22, 2020 by coffee_rules Link to comment
zen Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: For a person who scored 100+ average, 57 will seem a failure. Also, he would score 4 to 5 big 100s, just 1 century and highest 103 is a failure. Aus list the series 3-1 , so a failure. He had trouble batting short pitched balls. FYI, that 100 is his career average, not an average in every series. In Aus vs. Eng, he averages 78. In Eng, he averages 103. Overall, his avg vs. Eng is 90. In four series in Aus vs. Eng, his averages were 67, 57 (Bodyline), 90, and 97, so only in his last two series, he averaged 90 or more. Quote GC avoided playing in India and SL. He only played in Pakustany Not playing in Ind and SL esp. during Chappell's career means zilch Link to comment
coffee_rules Posted July 22, 2020 Author Share Posted July 22, 2020 4 minutes ago, zen said: Not playing in Ind and SL esp. during Chappell's career means zilch He has played a test in SL. Not playing in India which had 50 years of cricket history, meant he inflated his figures elsewhere. That is the same blot in Lillee's career too. He averaged just 40 in Eng for a player with perfect stat. Even Ponting scored better in Eng. Maybe in Bradman's era, not playing in India didn't matter, not for GC who played mostly in Aud and Eng and bloated his stats, Link to comment
zen Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: He has played a test in SL. Not playing in India which had 50 years of cricket history, meant he inflated his figures elsewhere. That is the same blot in Lillee's career too. He averaged just 40 in Eng for a player with perfect stat. Even Ponting scored better in Eng. Maybe in Bradman's era, not playing in India didn't matter, not for GC who played mostly in Aud and Eng and bloated his stats, I am not too hung up on a player not playing in x or y countries esp. if they are developing ones. If I were a cricketer, I would prefer to skip BD, Pak, etc., for e.g. Link to comment
maniac Posted July 22, 2020 Share Posted July 22, 2020 I remember Amre and Kapil’s 100’s in SA but forgot about Sachin getting one in 1992 itself. True G O A T Thank you @zen raki05 and Nikola 2 Link to comment
coffee_rules Posted July 22, 2020 Author Share Posted July 22, 2020 15 minutes ago, maniac said: I remember Amre and Kapil’s 100’s in SA but forgot about Sachin getting one in 1992 itself. True G O A T Thank you @zen As a teenager. maniac and raki05 2 Link to comment
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