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Who will win ODIs Home and Abroad,Tests Home and Abroad?

Team A

Sehwag

Gambhir

Dravid

Sachin

Dada

VVS

Dhoni

Jadeja

Ashwin

Bumrah

Ishant


 

Reserves:Kuldeep,Chahal,Umesh,Yuvraj,Kaif,Shami

 

Team B

Rohit

Mayank

Pujara

Kohli

Rahane

Vihari

Pant/Saha

Kumble

Harbhajan

Zak

Srinath

 

Reserves: Pathan,Nehra,Iyer,Rahul,H.Pandya,Agarkar

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Gavaskar

Sidhu/Chauhan/Sardesai/Srikant/....

Amarnath

Vishwanath

Vensarkar

Kapil

Engineer/Kirmani

Kumble

Harbhajan

Srinath 

Zak

 

3 pacer (Srinath, Zak and Kapil) + Amarnath .... Kumble + Bhajji (though the team has access to Chandra, Parsanna, Bedi, etc., who bowled on relatively less helpful conditions even at home iirc)

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Just now, zen said:

 

Gavaskar

Chauhan/Doshi/Srikant/....

Amarnath

Vishwanath

Vensarkar

Kapil

Engineer/Kirmani

Kumble

Harbhajan

Srinath 

Zak

Who will win? The context was last gen batting is known as our best ever line up, current gen bowling is touted as our best ever, so by that logic the combination of bowling from that team and batting of current team should be the weaker side, would you agree?

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23 minutes ago, maniac said:

Who will win? The context was last gen batting is known as our best ever line up, current gen bowling is touted as our best ever, so by that logic the combination of bowling from that team and batting of current team should be the weaker side, would you agree?

I do not think that a bowling line up of Srinath, Zak, Kumble and Bhajji is relatively weak esp. if you consider the opponents of the time which included a stronger Aus, SA, Pak, SL, and WI (of 90s). 
 

If you look at Jadeja and Ashwin, they are good at home too like Kumble and Bhajji. In your teams, Bumrah, Shami and Ishant benefit from having a good 3rd seamer but a peak Zak and Srinath can perform as well too if not better. And the attack can be strengthened by playing a Sreesant and/or an AR like Pandya in SENA. 
 

The previous generation was a stronger batting unit so could have drawn more games (bowlers mainly win tests and they did at home). Though in batting, only Sehwag at the top and VVS in the lower order give batting advantage to previous generation as rest are more or less similar (Dravid = Pujara, Sachin = Kohli, Dada = Rahane). Pant as a WK has 2 100s in SENA. From the current generation - Pujara alone performed equivalent of 2-3 batsmen in Aus recently. Kohli has hit 3-4 100s in a series as well.
 

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1 hour ago, maniac said:

Who will win ODIs Home and Abroad,Tests Home and Abroad?

Team A

Sehwag

Gambhir

Dravid

Sachin

Dada

VVS

Dhoni

Jadeja

Ashwin

Bumrah

Ishant

Shami
 

Reserves:Kuldeep,Chahal,Umesh,Yuvraj,Kaif

 

Team B

Rohit

Mayank

Pujara

Kohli

Rahane

Vihari

Pant/Saha

Kumble

Harbhajan

Zak

Srinath

 

Reserves: Pathan,Nehra,Iyer,Rahul,H.Pandya,Agarkar

ODIs? Those are test XIs. And team A has 12 players, I will just drop Dada and go with the aggressive 5 bowlers formula. From team B chucker Harbhajan shouldn't be allowed to cheat, no chucker should ever be allowed to take the field IMO. Even if he plays he can't bowl doosra, and that will make him a Sehwag level bowler. Depending on conditions some minor changes in the XI allowed, choosing from the squads you posted....

Team A will maul B everywhere, and when I say maul I mean if these two teams play 10 tests across a variety of countries/conditions A will probably win 7-2 or 8-1....3-4 of them being massive wins (innings wins, by 10 wickets, by 250+ runs etc). 

 

A has better top order, better middle order, better pace/spin units, better catchers. B has an outstanding keeper (if Saha plays and tbh he will only be slightly compensating for the comedy that we will surely see in slips), an aggressive skipper in Kohli, and a dustbowl master in Kumble but honestly where else does B have an advantage which can decisively tilt the balance in its favor? A is more clutch, better batsmen for 4th innings, aggresive mindset of bowlers who always search for wickets, cordon of RD/VVS/SRT/Viru won't drop Che and Kohli 2x per innings...

 

Maybe on some rank turner if B wins the toss and Che does his thing (Kohli won't, look at his stats on such pitches), Kumble weaves his magic in 4th innings yada yada Kohli and co. can eke out a win. Or a complete meltdown by A coinciding with B playing its best cricket, probability of that happening? Even if B inserts A on a greentop and Zak/Srinath skittle A to a low score favor will be returned (or at least damage minimized) and 3rd/4th innings will be a different story cos B will bat last which brings me to my next point. 

 

Another big question. Can B's mental midgets chase even 120 in 4th innings against Bumrah, Shami, Ishant, Ash, Jaddu (Umesh, Kuldeep in bench) anywhere on the planet? NO. That bar will be a bit higher in converse situation. 

 

Funda in tests is very simple, you pick 20 wickets, you win a test. Doesn't matter if you have 7 Bradmans in your team and score 1500 runs, you won't win if you can't take 20 wickets, and with Kohli/Rahane/Pujara standing in slips Srinath and Kumble will have to create 25-30 chances to pick those 20 wickets (8 of them being Viru, Dravid, Sachin, VVS). See that happening consistently? Uh.....neither do I. 

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1 minute ago, Gollum said:

ODIs? Those are test XIs. And team A has 12 players, I will just drop Dada and go with for the aggressive 5 bowlers formula. From team B chucker Harbhajan shouldn't be allowed, no chucker should ever be allowed IMO. Even if he plays he can't bowl doosra, and that will make him a Sehwag level bowler. Depending on conditions some minor changes in the XI allowed, choosing from the squads you posted....

Team A will maul B everywhere, and when I say maul I mean if these two teams play 10 tests across a variety of countries/conditions A will probably win 7-2 or 8-1....3-4 of them being massive wins (innings wins, by 10 wickets, by 250+ runs etc). 

 

A has better top order, better middle order, better pace/spin units, better catchers. B has an outstanding keeper (if Saha plays), an aggressive skipper in Kohli, and a dustbowl master in Kumble but honestly where else does B have an advantage which can decisively tilt the balance in its favor? A is more clutch, better batsmen for 4th innings, aggresive mindset of bowlers who always search for wickets, cordon of RD/VVS/SRT/Viru won't drop Che and Kohli 2x per innings...

 

Maybe on some rank turner if B wins the toss and Che does his thing (Kohli won't, look at his stats on such pitches), Kumble weaves his magic in 4th innings yada yada Kohli and co. can eke out a win. Even if B inserts A on a greentop and Zak/Srinath skittle A to a low score favor will be returned and 3rd/4th innings will be a different story.

 

Another big question. Can B's mental midgets chase even 120 in 4th innings against Bumrah, Shami, Ishant, Ash, Jaddu (Umesh, Kuldeep in bench) anywhere on the planet? NO. That bar will be a bit higher in converse situation. 

 

Funda in tests is very simple, you pick 20 wickets, you win a test. Doesn't matter if you have 7 Bradmans in your team and score 1500 runs, you won't win if you can't take 20 wickets, and with Kohli/Rahane/Pujara standing in slips Srinath and Kumble will have to create 25-30 chances to pick those 20 wickets. See that happening? Uh.....neither do I. 

That’s why I put the odi specialists in reserves. They will fill in for a odi game. example: Yuvi for Laxman or Iyer/Rahul for Rahane/Pujara or 3rd/4th seamers for foreign condition instead of 2 spinners

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18 minutes ago, zen said:

I do not think that a bowling line up of Srinath, Zak, Kumble and Bhajji is relatively weak esp. if you consider the opponents of the time which included a stronger Aus, SA, Pak, SL, and WI (of 90s). 
 

If you look at Jadeja and Ashwin, they are good at home too like Kumble and Bhajji. In your teams, Bumrah, Shami and Ishant benefit from having a good 3rd seamer but a peak Zak and Srinath can perform as well too if not better. And the attack can be strengthened by playing a Sreesant and/or an AR like Pandya in SENA. 
 

The previous generation was a stronger batting unit so could have drawn more games (bowlers mainly win tests and they did at home). Though in batting, only Sehwag at the top and VVS in the lower order give batting advantage to previous generation as rest are more or less similar (Dravid = Pujara, Sachin = Kohli, Dada = Rahane). Pant as a WK has 2 100s in SENA. From the current generation - Pujara alone performed equivalent of 2-3 batsmen in Aus recently. Kohli has hit 3-4 100s in a series as well.
 

No way Pujara can play the innings like Sachin/Dravid/VVS on spicy pitches against that level of bowling. The Aus pitches were pretty even. Not taking anything away from Pujara thougn

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3 minutes ago, maniac said:

No way Pujara can play the innings like Sachin/Dravid/VVS on spicy pitches against that level of bowling. The Aus pitches were pretty even. Not taking anything away from Pujara thougn

No one has been truly consistent on “spicy” pitches :dontknow: .... Talking about Pujara, he carried his bat in Eng recently iirc 

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21 minutes ago, maniac said:

Apart from that @Gollum agree with your post 

Good. 

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

Fixed. More than X1 it’s the squads A vs B. I put some players to replace test specialists as well.

I'll drop Dada in tests and play Shami, but anyway since you have put forth the squads we can be flexible in final XI selection.

 

Just one change, I will keep Bhuvi in A's squad in place of Kaif just for tests in Eng and RSA/NZ greentops. If I want a 4 man pace attack Umesh isn't good enough outside SC....without SG and dry, abrasive, low bouncing conditions he is a dud. In SC I may even prefer to have Umesh in starting XI. 

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2 hours ago, maniac said:

Who will win in the 2 teams I picked?

for that they need to be better picked for right formats , i mean in current team pujara in odi is useless , dravid for them wasnt.....n even vihari ....mayank hasnt played much and rahane another failure.....in that team someone like laxman also scored 4-100s in a month in ODI cricket in pakistan and australia. 

 

So here it 

 

 

For test at home - 

 

Team A

  1. Gambhir
  2. Sehwag
  3. dravid
  4. Sachin
  5. Laxman
  6. Dhoni 
  7. Jadeja
  8. Ashwin
  9. Umesh
  10. Shami
  11. Bumrah 

 

Team B

  1. Mayank 
  2. Rohit 
  3. Pujara
  4. kohli 
  5. Vihari 
  6. KL rahul 
  7. pant 
  8. Bhajji
  9. Kumble
  10. Srinath 
  11. Zak

Rahane  and ganguly wud be on bench, Team- A has edge but Team B cannot be counted out 

 

For overseas Slight changes

Team A

  • Ishant replaces umesh 
  • Ganguly replaces Jaddu 
  • Vijay replaces gambhir 

Team B

  • Rahane replaces vihari 
  • Irfan replaces KL 
  • Sreesanth replaces bhajji 

Again It wud be tight then many wud think - Team A has an edge coz dravid n laxman were way more consistent then pujara and rahane and Rohit is yet to do something overseas 

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@maniac- for ODI 

 

Team A

 

  1. Sachin
  2. Sehwag 
  3. Gambhir 
  4. Yuvi 
  5. Dhoni (capt)
  6. Raina 
  7. Hardik 
  8. Bhuvi 
  9. Bumrah
  10. Shami
  11. chahal

 

Team B

  1. Dhawan
  2. Rohit
  3. Kohli (capt)
  4. Iyer 
  5. Rahul
  6. Pant 
  7. Irfan 
  8. Bhajji 
  9. Agakar 
  10. Zak
  11. Srinath 

 

Super close, but dhoni as captain means advantage in pressure games and team A has a killer middler order 

Forgot to add 

Team A has better fielder as well- Yuvi, raina, hardik and jadeja on bench 

Team B- Rohit and kohli max 

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2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

@maniac- for ODI 

 

Team A

 

  1. Sachin
  2. Sehwag 
  3. Gambhir 
  4. Yuvi 
  5. Dhoni (capt)
  6. Raina 
  7. Hardik 
  8. Bhuvi 
  9. Bumrah
  10. Shami
  11. chahal

 

Team B

  1. Dhawan
  2. Rohit
  3. Kohli (capt)
  4. Iyer 
  5. Rahul
  6. Pant 
  7. Irfan 
  8. Bhajji 
  9. Agakar 
  10. Zak
  11. Srinath 

 

Super close, but dhoni as captain means advantage in pressure games and team A has a killer middler order 

Series will be tied 2-2 and in high stakes decider, team B's top 3 will go 0(1), 0(1), 0(1). 

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1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

for that they need to be better picked for right formats , i mean in current team pujara in odi is useless , dravid for them wasnt.....n even vihari ....mayank hasnt played much and rahane another failure.....in that team someone like laxman also scored 4-100s in a month in ODI cricket in pakistan and australia. 

 

So here it 

 

 

For test at home - 

 

Team A

  1. Gambhir
  2. Sehwag
  3. dravid
  4. Sachin
  5. Laxman
  6. Dhoni 
  7. Jadeja
  8. Ashwin
  9. Umesh
  10. Shami
  11. Bumrah 

 

Team B

  1. Mayank 
  2. Rohit 
  3. Pujara
  4. kohli 
  5. Vihari 
  6. KL rahul 
  7. pant 
  8. Bhajji
  9. Kumble
  10. Srinath 
  11. Zak

Rahane  and ganguly wud be on bench, Team- A has edge but Team B cannot be counted out 

 

For overseas Slight changes

Team A

  • Ishant replaces umesh 
  • Ganguly replaces Jaddu 
  • Vijay replaces gambhir 

Team B

  • Rahane replaces vihari 
  • Irfan replaces KL 
  • Sreesanth replaces bhajji 

Again It wud be tight then many wud think - Team A has an edge coz dravid n laxman were way more consistent then pujara and rahane and Rohit is yet to do something overseas 

A, 8 out of 10 times.  Shami and Bumrah plus Sehwag, Dravid and Laxman making the difference in the clutch.  

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1 hour ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

@maniac- for ODI 

 

Team A

 

  1. Sachin
  2. Sehwag 
  3. Gambhir 
  4. Yuvi 
  5. Dhoni (capt)
  6. Raina 
  7. Hardik 
  8. Bhuvi 
  9. Bumrah
  10. Shami
  11. chahal

 

Team B

  1. Dhawan
  2. Rohit
  3. Kohli (capt)
  4. Iyer 
  5. Rahul
  6. Pant 
  7. Irfan 
  8. Bhajji 
  9. Agakar 
  10. Zak
  11. Srinath 

 

Super close, but dhoni as captain means advantage in pressure games and team A has a killer middler order 

Forgot to add 

Team A has better fielder as well- Yuvi, raina, hardik and jadeja on bench 

Team B- Rohit and kohli max 

A, 6 out of 10.  More mental toughness with Yuvraj, Gambhir and Dhoni plus Bumrah and Shami providing clutch performances.   

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35 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

A, 6 out of 10.  More mental toughness with Yuvraj, Gambhir and Dhoni plus Bumrah and Shami providing clutch performances.   

Shami is not really clutch. He has a habit of blowing hot and cold. Can look a million bucks one day but bowl filth the next. I would go as far as to say he is a much upgraded version of Sreeshanth. I know it’s very harsh but contextually speaking.

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31 minutes ago, maniac said:

I would go as far as to say he is a much upgraded version of Sreeshanth.

I know it’s very harsh but contextually speaking.

thats to much , sreesanth in odi shud be compared to umesh not shami .

it way to harsh, sreesanth was rubbish in ODI absolute rubbish 

 

Shami can be inconsistent but not much, when it comes to wkt in odi he is one of the best and can bowl at any situation.

5.58 eco is fine these days , this era hasnt been easy for bowlers . His number wud have been even better had he bowled when it was only one ball and reverse swing come in play. Even Zak n Sreenath eco wud have taken a further hit in these years

Avg of 25 in odi these days is fantastic and add to that , after every 7 games he takes a 4wkt haul is another great thing. 

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