maniac Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) Who will win ODIs Home and Abroad,Tests Home and Abroad? Team A Sehwag Gambhir Dravid Sachin Dada VVS Dhoni Jadeja Ashwin Bumrah Ishant Reserves:Kuldeep,Chahal,Umesh,Yuvraj,Kaif,Shami Team B Rohit Mayank Pujara Kohli Rahane Vihari Pant/Saha Kumble Harbhajan Zak Srinath Reserves: Pathan,Nehra,Iyer,Rahul,H.Pandya,Agarkar Edited July 29, 2020 by maniac sandeep 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 24 minutes ago, maniac said: Kumble Harbhajan Zak Srinath if they had played together at peak hey wud have had better numbers, hunting in pair always is better Link to comment
zen Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) Gavaskar Sidhu/Chauhan/Sardesai/Srikant/.... Amarnath Vishwanath Vensarkar Kapil Engineer/Kirmani Kumble Harbhajan Srinath Zak 3 pacer (Srinath, Zak and Kapil) + Amarnath .... Kumble + Bhajji (though the team has access to Chandra, Parsanna, Bedi, etc., who bowled on relatively less helpful conditions even at home iirc) Edited July 29, 2020 by zen Link to comment
maniac Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 Just now, zen said: Gavaskar Chauhan/Doshi/Srikant/.... Amarnath Vishwanath Vensarkar Kapil Engineer/Kirmani Kumble Harbhajan Srinath Zak Who will win? The context was last gen batting is known as our best ever line up, current gen bowling is touted as our best ever, so by that logic the combination of bowling from that team and batting of current team should be the weaker side, would you agree? Link to comment
maniac Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 24 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said: if they had played together at peak hey wud have had better numbers, hunting in pair always is better Who will win in the 2 teams I picked? Link to comment
zen Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, maniac said: Who will win? The context was last gen batting is known as our best ever line up, current gen bowling is touted as our best ever, so by that logic the combination of bowling from that team and batting of current team should be the weaker side, would you agree? I do not think that a bowling line up of Srinath, Zak, Kumble and Bhajji is relatively weak esp. if you consider the opponents of the time which included a stronger Aus, SA, Pak, SL, and WI (of 90s). If you look at Jadeja and Ashwin, they are good at home too like Kumble and Bhajji. In your teams, Bumrah, Shami and Ishant benefit from having a good 3rd seamer but a peak Zak and Srinath can perform as well too if not better. And the attack can be strengthened by playing a Sreesant and/or an AR like Pandya in SENA. The previous generation was a stronger batting unit so could have drawn more games (bowlers mainly win tests and they did at home). Though in batting, only Sehwag at the top and VVS in the lower order give batting advantage to previous generation as rest are more or less similar (Dravid = Pujara, Sachin = Kohli, Dada = Rahane). Pant as a WK has 2 100s in SENA. From the current generation - Pujara alone performed equivalent of 2-3 batsmen in Aus recently. Kohli has hit 3-4 100s in a series as well. Edited July 29, 2020 by zen Link to comment
BacktoCricaddict Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 22 minutes ago, zen said: Gavaskar Chauhan/Doshi/Srikant/.... Amarnath Vishwanath Vensarkar Kapil Engineer/Kirmani Kumble Harbhajan Srinath Zak Lost you at Doshi in #2 batting spot. Link to comment
Gollum Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, maniac said: Who will win ODIs Home and Abroad,Tests Home and Abroad? Team A Sehwag Gambhir Dravid Sachin Dada VVS Dhoni Jadeja Ashwin Bumrah Ishant Shami Reserves:Kuldeep,Chahal,Umesh,Yuvraj,Kaif Team B Rohit Mayank Pujara Kohli Rahane Vihari Pant/Saha Kumble Harbhajan Zak Srinath Reserves: Pathan,Nehra,Iyer,Rahul,H.Pandya,Agarkar ODIs? Those are test XIs. And team A has 12 players, I will just drop Dada and go with the aggressive 5 bowlers formula. From team B chucker Harbhajan shouldn't be allowed to cheat, no chucker should ever be allowed to take the field IMO. Even if he plays he can't bowl doosra, and that will make him a Sehwag level bowler. Depending on conditions some minor changes in the XI allowed, choosing from the squads you posted.... Team A will maul B everywhere, and when I say maul I mean if these two teams play 10 tests across a variety of countries/conditions A will probably win 7-2 or 8-1....3-4 of them being massive wins (innings wins, by 10 wickets, by 250+ runs etc). A has better top order, better middle order, better pace/spin units, better catchers. B has an outstanding keeper (if Saha plays and tbh he will only be slightly compensating for the comedy that we will surely see in slips), an aggressive skipper in Kohli, and a dustbowl master in Kumble but honestly where else does B have an advantage which can decisively tilt the balance in its favor? A is more clutch, better batsmen for 4th innings, aggresive mindset of bowlers who always search for wickets, cordon of RD/VVS/SRT/Viru won't drop Che and Kohli 2x per innings... Maybe on some rank turner if B wins the toss and Che does his thing (Kohli won't, look at his stats on such pitches), Kumble weaves his magic in 4th innings yada yada Kohli and co. can eke out a win. Or a complete meltdown by A coinciding with B playing its best cricket, probability of that happening? Even if B inserts A on a greentop and Zak/Srinath skittle A to a low score favor will be returned (or at least damage minimized) and 3rd/4th innings will be a different story cos B will bat last which brings me to my next point. Another big question. Can B's mental midgets chase even 120 in 4th innings against Bumrah, Shami, Ishant, Ash, Jaddu (Umesh, Kuldeep in bench) anywhere on the planet? NO. That bar will be a bit higher in converse situation. Funda in tests is very simple, you pick 20 wickets, you win a test. Doesn't matter if you have 7 Bradmans in your team and score 1500 runs, you won't win if you can't take 20 wickets, and with Kohli/Rahane/Pujara standing in slips Srinath and Kumble will have to create 25-30 chances to pick those 20 wickets (8 of them being Viru, Dravid, Sachin, VVS). See that happening consistently? Uh.....neither do I. Edited July 29, 2020 by Gollum sandeep 1 Link to comment
maniac Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 minute ago, Gollum said: ODIs? Those are test XIs. And team A has 12 players, I will just drop Dada and go with for the aggressive 5 bowlers formula. From team B chucker Harbhajan shouldn't be allowed, no chucker should ever be allowed IMO. Even if he plays he can't bowl doosra, and that will make him a Sehwag level bowler. Depending on conditions some minor changes in the XI allowed, choosing from the squads you posted.... Team A will maul B everywhere, and when I say maul I mean if these two teams play 10 tests across a variety of countries/conditions A will probably win 7-2 or 8-1....3-4 of them being massive wins (innings wins, by 10 wickets, by 250+ runs etc). A has better top order, better middle order, better pace/spin units, better catchers. B has an outstanding keeper (if Saha plays), an aggressive skipper in Kohli, and a dustbowl master in Kumble but honestly where else does B have an advantage which can decisively tilt the balance in its favor? A is more clutch, better batsmen for 4th innings, aggresive mindset of bowlers who always search for wickets, cordon of RD/VVS/SRT/Viru won't drop Che and Kohli 2x per innings... Maybe on some rank turner if B wins the toss and Che does his thing (Kohli won't, look at his stats on such pitches), Kumble weaves his magic in 4th innings yada yada Kohli and co. can eke out a win. Even if B inserts A on a greentop and Zak/Srinath skittle A to a low score favor will be returned and 3rd/4th innings will be a different story. Another big question. Can B's mental midgets chase even 120 in 4th innings against Bumrah, Shami, Ishant, Ash, Jaddu (Umesh, Kuldeep in bench) anywhere on the planet? NO. That bar will be a bit higher in converse situation. Funda in tests is very simple, you pick 20 wickets, you win a test. Doesn't matter if you have 7 Bradmans in your team and score 1500 runs, you won't win if you can't take 20 wickets, and with Kohli/Rahane/Pujara standing in slips Srinath and Kumble will have to create 25-30 chances to pick those 20 wickets. See that happening? Uh.....neither do I. That’s why I put the odi specialists in reserves. They will fill in for a odi game. example: Yuvi for Laxman or Iyer/Rahul for Rahane/Pujara or 3rd/4th seamers for foreign condition instead of 2 spinners Link to comment
maniac Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 Apart from that @Gollum agree with your post Link to comment
maniac Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, zen said: I do not think that a bowling line up of Srinath, Zak, Kumble and Bhajji is relatively weak esp. if you consider the opponents of the time which included a stronger Aus, SA, Pak, SL, and WI (of 90s). If you look at Jadeja and Ashwin, they are good at home too like Kumble and Bhajji. In your teams, Bumrah, Shami and Ishant benefit from having a good 3rd seamer but a peak Zak and Srinath can perform as well too if not better. And the attack can be strengthened by playing a Sreesant and/or an AR like Pandya in SENA. The previous generation was a stronger batting unit so could have drawn more games (bowlers mainly win tests and they did at home). Though in batting, only Sehwag at the top and VVS in the lower order give batting advantage to previous generation as rest are more or less similar (Dravid = Pujara, Sachin = Kohli, Dada = Rahane). Pant as a WK has 2 100s in SENA. From the current generation - Pujara alone performed equivalent of 2-3 batsmen in Aus recently. Kohli has hit 3-4 100s in a series as well. No way Pujara can play the innings like Sachin/Dravid/VVS on spicy pitches against that level of bowling. The Aus pitches were pretty even. Not taking anything away from Pujara thougn Edited July 29, 2020 by maniac Link to comment
zen Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 7 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Lost you at Doshi in #2 batting spot. It should be Sardeshi. But on 2nd thoughts can go with Sidhu Link to comment
maniac Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 @Laaloo Pant despite the 2 100’s, I would say I would back Dhoni In a crisis situation even in tests Laaloo 1 Link to comment
zen Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 3 minutes ago, maniac said: No way Pujara can play the innings like Sachin/Dravid/VVS on spicy pitches against that level of bowling. The Aus pitches were pretty even. Not taking anything away from Pujara thougn No one has been truly consistent on “spicy” pitches .... Talking about Pujara, he carried his bat in Eng recently iirc Link to comment
zen Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 @maniac team a 12 players vs team b 11 Rasgulla 1 Link to comment
maniac Posted July 29, 2020 Author Share Posted July 29, 2020 1 minute ago, zen said: @maniac team a 12 players vs team b 11 Fixed. More than X1 it’s the squads A vs B. I put some players to replace test specialists as well. Link to comment
Gollum Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 21 minutes ago, maniac said: Apart from that @Gollum agree with your post Good. 2 minutes ago, maniac said: Fixed. More than X1 it’s the squads A vs B. I put some players to replace test specialists as well. I'll drop Dada in tests and play Shami, but anyway since you have put forth the squads we can be flexible in final XI selection. Just one change, I will keep Bhuvi in A's squad in place of Kaif just for tests in Eng and RSA/NZ greentops. If I want a 4 man pace attack Umesh isn't good enough outside SC....without SG and dry, abrasive, low bouncing conditions he is a dud. In SC I may even prefer to have Umesh in starting XI. Link to comment
Rasgulla Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 How many balls will lil ailiaaa take to score that last 10 runs for his 100 ? That ll be the deciding factor. Link to comment
Rasgulla Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 44 minutes ago, zen said: @maniac team a 12 players vs team b 11 Excuse him. Busy switching between @Global.Baba and this account. Mistakes happen. Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 2 hours ago, maniac said: Who will win in the 2 teams I picked? for that they need to be better picked for right formats , i mean in current team pujara in odi is useless , dravid for them wasnt.....n even vihari ....mayank hasnt played much and rahane another failure.....in that team someone like laxman also scored 4-100s in a month in ODI cricket in pakistan and australia. So here it For test at home - Team A Gambhir Sehwag dravid Sachin Laxman Dhoni Jadeja Ashwin Umesh Shami Bumrah Team B Mayank Rohit Pujara kohli Vihari KL rahul pant Bhajji Kumble Srinath Zak Rahane and ganguly wud be on bench, Team- A has edge but Team B cannot be counted out For overseas Slight changes Team A Ishant replaces umesh Ganguly replaces Jaddu Vijay replaces gambhir Team B Rahane replaces vihari Irfan replaces KL Sreesanth replaces bhajji Again It wud be tight then many wud think - Team A has an edge coz dravid n laxman were way more consistent then pujara and rahane and Rohit is yet to do something overseas Link to comment
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