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Contenders (or for reference in some categories):

 

  • Overall batting: Sachin - avg 43, Dhoni (mainly batted in middle order) - avg 50, and Kohli - avg 59 (so far)
  • SR demon (batting): Sehwag - SR 103 (esp. high in his time)
  • AR: Kapil (though went w/o scoring a 50 in the last 6-7 years of his career)
  • WK: Dhoni 
  • Overall Bowling: .... 
  • SR demon (bowling): Shami - SR 28 (so far)
  • Captaincy: Ganguly and Dhoni

 

Who is India's greatest ODI cricketer? Dhoni appears in many categories. 

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its a tough pick between among Sachin, Kohli, dhoni 

2nd tier- rohit n yuvi

Kapil i havent seen a lot

Bumrah has play a lot more as of now 

 

But while choosing dhoni wud be the 1st name , not that i mean other 2 were any less but becoz of the value he brings in a team

  • As captain, who can win big tournaments......few captains around that world had that quality 
  • WK- batsman
  • Can bat all over the order specially lower middler order, as in india ull find many who can bat in top 3
  • consistent 
  • Plays acc to situation 
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Kapil, not only was he ahead of his time he also played a big role in helping that mediocre Indian ODI side win 2 big trophies in 80s, when standard of cricket was damn high. Win 2x over ATG WI, double phainty to Pakistan in BH, what more to ask? In my all time ODI XI, he will be among the top 5 picks along with Viv, Akram, Warne, Gilly. 

 

Ranking:

Kapil

Sachin

Dhoni

Rohit
Yuvi

 

Special mention to Srikkanth and Gambo, main architects in 3 ICC (50 overs) finals and both good players for their era, both match-winners. 

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15 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

In terms of captaincy also if not dhoni ill give it to kapil, gambhir or rohit coz ganguly in the end didnt knew how to win tournament unless its a miracle like Natwest.

'83 win was great but India played under less pressure. In '85 World Series in Aus, Gavaskar was the captain if I am not wrong 

 

Gambhir and Rohit have not captained India consistently. Rohit has won tournament as captain against Asian teams w/ Ind beating BD in final

 

Under Ganguly, India reached finals of many tournaments, and won a few including the 2002 ICC Champions trophy (shared with SL). Moreover, we saw a change in attitude and players such as Yuvi and Zak being backed iirc  

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4 minutes ago, zen said:

Gambhir and Rohit have not captained India consistently. Rohit has won tournament as captain against Asian teams w/ beating BD in final

dont care about that , if we fantasizing and i have better options avl why not 

Rohit n gambo have won IPL also, they know how to win multiple team tournament whereas kohli and ganguly doesnt. Bangldesh or asian but thats what they have captained in.

Also ganguly wont be in my ATG ODI XI or 15-16

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25 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

dont care about that , if we fantasizing and i have better options avl why not 

Rohit n gambo have won IPL also, they know how to win multiple team tournament whereas kohli and ganguly doesnt. Bangldesh or asian but thats what they have captained in

Buddy, this is not fantasizinging but listing an opinion based on information available for ODIs so far (not T20s). Gambhir and Rohit have only captained in less than 10 ODIs each. While Ganguly has captained in over 140 matches, winning tournaments such as 2002 ICC Champions Trophy (shared with SL) and Natwest, while making it to finals of many including 2000 Champions Trophy and 2003 WC. 

 

PS there is a nice discussion on Ganguly v Dhoni - Link

 

 

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MS Dhoni has marginally edged out Sourav Ganguly as the more impactful captain in a Star Sports survey, in which two of India's most successful captains were judged across a number parameters developed in collaboration with ESPNcricinfo.

While Dhoni was rated the best ODI and home-Test captain by significant margins, Ganguly was the clear winner in the away-Test captaincy category. Ganguly was also rated the better captain in terms of the team he developed from the players he inherited.

 

 

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Zak deserves an honorable mention for fast bowling, maybe over Shami as well, considering Shami doesn't bowl well in the death, while Zak does.

 

Yuvi deserves a mention as an AR. He was Man of the Series in 2011, and his bowling was crucial then. 

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My list

1. Kapil Dev - near ATG  ODI bowler..... had an avg: of 25.59 till  15 Dec 91 after bowling almost 9000(convincingly larger than other bowlers of his time) balls. Kapil's peak 106 inns  stretch is from 21 Dec 1980 to 19 Oct 1988. Here he avg:ed 29.84 @106.95 str( Botham played only106 inns). So he was a very good  batsman too.Add his captaincy & fielding , he is by far the best

 

 

2. Dhoni - great ODI batsman & finisher, great WK & a great captain

 

3.  Sachin - great ODI batsman. a good utility bowler & a safe  all round fielder  

 

4. Kohli - great ODI batsman & finisher

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10 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

its a tough pick between among Sachin, Kohli, dhoni 

2nd tier- rohit n yuvi

Kapil i havent seen a lot

Bumrah has play a lot more as of now 

 

But while choosing dhoni wud be the 1st name , not that i mean other 2 were any less but becoz of the value he brings in a team

  • As captain, who can win big tournaments......few captains around that world had that quality 
  • WK- batsman
  • Can bat all over the order specially lower middler order, as in india ull find many who can bat in top 3
  • consistent 
  • Plays acc to situation 

Rohit is top tier now, at par with Sachin, Dhoni & others. He is one of the greatest ever in the world, let alone India. If he had scored another knock in semis last year, he would have been arguably numero uno for India.

However I agree with @Gollum ranking overall, coz that stats booster doesn't belong there even if scores 20,000 meaningless runs.

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I agree Kapil had a huge role to play in popularizing cricket. But cricket was always a religion, even if India would be losing. People like Sunny, Bedi, Pataudi etc were heroes too.  So, my take is that even without 83 win, cricket would have survived in India. 

 

My vote will go to Sachin. He transformed cricket world itself, not just India. He created the consumerism that cricket saw post 90's. 

More than that, Sachin made his debut in a team which had no backbone. And he took that responsibility and scored runs. He was a living god, a stature Kapil was never blessed with. 

So, Sachin and just Sachin for me.

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9 hours ago, kruiser said:

If Kapil was not there, this would have been an IndianGilliDandafans.com

Cricket thrived in India due to 83 win and it was made possible by one person only.. rest of them went to England on vacation.

Harsh, it was a complete team effort, just like '85. One can say Kapil was the one who instilled self-belief in that bunch but boy did everyone come to the party including mediocre players like Madan Lal, Sandhu, Yashpal Sharma. Binny and Amarnath played beyond their abilities 

 

Gavaskar was the only real letdown in that tournament but I guess an exception can be made, Lloyd's dismissal in the final was planned by him and that was his only real contribution.  

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They are all good answers and I can't refute others preferences. IMO when it comes to ODIs, Dhoni>Kapil>Sachin>Yuvi>Rohit>Kohli. I factor into my view, winning world cups, big match performance and consistency over a period of time. This doesn't mean other players mentioned are less worthy as the margins are very less. Its just my opinion that Dhoni and Kapil have captained teams that won more world cups and Sachin popularized cricket into its current state.

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I'll never get why Dhoni, the ODI player gets overrated so much in Indian cricketing circles. 

 

I know he averages like 55 or something with all those not outs but what else has he achieved (as a player) to be considered our greatest ODI player ? I can't recall one good inning of his under pressure except the WC final knock. I'm not saying he's not good... he is. In fact he's a "great" LOI  player and captain but he's no way in the top 5. Anyways...

 

Sachin Tendulkar

Kapil Dev

Virat Kohli

Rohit Sharma

Yuvraj Singh

 

Sachin hands down....

 

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Here’s how I would classify the greats 

 

Kapil- The man who invented the wheel 

Sachin- The man who invented the car

Dhoni- The man who made the first mass usage fuel efficient car

Yuvraj-The guy who made the first sports car

Kohli- The man who made the first electric car

Rohit- The man who designed the first self driving car due to the incredible innovative  feats he does.

 

You can tie all their success to the guy who invented the car (Sachin) who will owe his Success to the guy who invented the wheel (Kapil)

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6 hours ago, Gollum said:

Harsh, it was a complete team effort, just like '85. One can say Kapil was the one who instilled self-belief in that bunch but boy did everyone come to the party including mediocre players like Madan Lal, Sandhu, Yashpal Sharma. Binny and Amarnath played beyond their abilities 

 

Gavaskar was the only real letdown in that tournament but I guess an exception can be made, Lloyd's dismissal in the final was planned by him and that was his only real contribution.  

Don’t forget his slip catching. I remember him taking some crucial catches in 83 WC and with the bowling we had every catch counts. I can bet that our current slip cordon will drop 9/10 catches that Sunny was absolutely lapping up.

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39 minutes ago, Norman said:

I'll never get why Dhoni, the ODI player gets overrated so much in Indian cricketing circles. 

 

I know he averages like 55 or something with all those not outs but what else has he achieved (as a player) to be considered our greatest ODI player ? I can't recall one good inning of his under pressure except the WC final knock. I'm not saying he's not good... he is. In fact he's a "great" LOI  player and captain but he's no way in the top 5. Anyways...

 

Sachin Tendulkar

Kapil Dev

Virat Kohli

Rohit Sharma

Yuvraj Singh

 

Sachin hands down....

 

And they are severely underrating Yuvi who played a big hand in our T20 World Cup and 2011 World Cup victory.

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1 hour ago, Norman said:

I'll never get why Dhoni, the ODI player gets overrated so much in Indian cricketing circles. 

 

I know he averages like 55 or something with all those not outs but what else has he achieved (as a player) to be considered our greatest ODI player ? I can't recall one good inning of his under pressure except the WC final knock. I'm not saying he's not good... he is. In fact he's a "great" LOI  player and captain but he's no way in the top 5. Anyways...

 

Sachin Tendulkar

Kapil Dev

Virat Kohli

Rohit Sharma

Yuvraj Singh

 

Sachin hands down....

 

because as a player itself he was 2 dimensional and great in both formats, namely batting & keeping. Add his other credentials , he is certainly an elite

TOP 3 candidate. You can't say that about any other  player, not even Kapil dev, I mean being great in 2 disciplines.

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19 hours ago, Gollum said:

Kapil, not only was he ahead of his time he also played a big role in helping that mediocre Indian ODI side win 2 big trophies in 80s, when standard of cricket was damn high. Win 2x over ATG WI, double phainty to Pakistan in BH, what more to ask? In my all time ODI XI, he will be among the top 5 picks along with Viv, Akram, Warne, Gilly. 

 

Ranking:

Kapil

Sachin

Dhoni

Rohit
Yuvi

 

Special mention to Srikkanth and Gambo, main architects in 3 ICC (50 overs) finals and both good players for their era, both match-winners. 

Standards of ODI cricket were not high then.

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I am yet to put my objective opinion in but subjectively looking at 3 dimensions - unique batting talent, bowling ability, and excellent fielding capabilities, based on potential - it is Hardik Pandya 

 

When others are confused by do or not to do conundrum, this guys does it (karke atta hai) -  like Nike the pioneer of “just to it” kind of tagline :hail:

 

:p:

 

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1 hour ago, Norman said:

I'll never get why Dhoni, the ODI player gets overrated so much in Indian cricketing circles. 

 

I know he averages like 55 or something with all those not outs but what else has he achieved (as a player) to be considered our greatest ODI player ? I can't recall one good inning of his under pressure except the WC final knock. I'm not saying he's not good... he is. In fact he's a "great" LOI  player and captain but he's no way in the top 5. Anyways...

 

Sachin Tendulkar

Kapil Dev

Virat Kohli

Rohit Sharma

Yuvraj Singh

 

Sachin hands down....

 

Dhoni was a wicket keeper, captain, ATG ODI batsman and moreover lower order batsman which India didn't have before and missed after him.

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Just now, zen said:

I am yet to put my objective opinion in but subjectively looking at 3 dimensions - unique batting talent, bowling ability, and excellent fielding capabilities, based on potential - it is Hardik Pandya 

 

When others are confused by do or not to do conundrum, this guys does it (karke atta hai) -  like Nike the pioneer of “just to it” kind of tagline :hail:

 

:p:

 

His blood,sweat,tears and other fluids are never spilled on the cricket field but yes he does have all those fluids.

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Objectively w/ some subjective elements - MSD.

 

It is incredible to be keeping wkts for 50 overs + overseeing captaincy for a large part of his career + performing consistently in MO, one of the hardest areas to bat at in ODIs, and at Bevan’s level esp. when it comes to handling pressure, while possessing the flexibility to bat any where in the batting order

 

Brief comments on other players: 

 

Kapil Dev: Relatively inconsistent but when he did well you felt good. Though was a good motivator, his captaincy was bland. You could almost know who is going to bowl which overs and bat where. In 1989, Srikant became the captain and we saw innovation relatively speaking like Chetan Sharma being promoted up the order v Eng in Nehru Cup. Chetan hit a 100 to win that game

 

Sachin/Kohli: Great in their specialist field. Kohli captains too but his captaincy is similar to Kapil’s without the motivating elements
 

While you can find players such as Kapil, Sachin, and Kohli in many of the other teams too, players like MSD are relatively rare

 

Therefore, the greatest Indian ODI cricketer goes to MSD at this point  



Let’s see if Pandya can snatch this title in future  :dance: 

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2 hours ago, Norman said:

I'll never get why Dhoni, the ODI player gets overrated so much in Indian cricketing circles. 

 

I know he averages like 55 or something with all those not outs but what else has he achieved (as a player) to be considered our greatest ODI player ? I can't recall one good inning of his under pressure except the WC final knock. I'm not saying he's not good... he is. In fact he's a "great" LOI  player and captain but he's no way in the top 5. Anyways...

 

Sachin Tendulkar

Kapil Dev

Virat Kohli

Rohit Sharma

Yuvraj Singh

 

Sachin hands down....

 

Del

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23 minutes ago, zen said:

Objectively w/ some subjective elements - MSD.

 

It is incredible to be keeping wkts for 50 overs + overseeing captaincy for a large part of his career + performing consistently in MO, one of the hardest areas to bat at in ODIs, and at Bevan’s level esp. when it comes to handling pressure, while possessing the flexibility to bat any where in the batting order

 

Brief comments on other players: 

 

Kapil Dev: Relatively inconsistent but when he did well you felt good. Though was a good motivator, his captaincy was bland. You could almost know who is going to bowl which overs and bat where. In 1989, Srikant became the captain and we saw innovation relatively speaking like Chetan Sharma being promoted up the order v Eng in Nehru Cup. Chetan hit a 100 to win that game

 

Sachin/Kohli: Great in their specialist field. Kohli captains too but his captaincy is similar to Kapil’s without the motivating elements
 

While you can find players such as Kapil, Sachin, and Kohli in many of the other teams too, players like MSD are relatively rare

 

Therefore, the greatest Indian ODI cricketer goes to MSD at this point  



Let’s see if Pandya can snatch this title in future  :dance: 

How many players do you know who have 2 200’s leave alone 3 and a score of 264 or world record for most 6’s or man of the match in 3 knockouts (1 knockout like situation) and has a hattrick and a multi tourney winner as captain and 4 T20I 100’s and 2 back to back 100’s on test debut.

 

:hail:

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1 minute ago, maniac said:

How many players do you know who have 2 200’s leave alone 3 and a score of 264 or world record for most 6’s or man of the match in 3 knockouts (1 knockout like situation) and has a hattrick and a multi tourney winner as captain and 4 T20I 100’s and 2 back to back 100’s on test debut.

 

:hail:

Let Pandya play in TO and you would know :dance: 

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Kapil - World class ATG all rounder and who gave confidence that India can also win World Cup.

 

We had lost two warm up matches in 1983, then we came back strongly to beat the ATG WI twice. Then that swashbuckling all time best innings of 175 against Zimbabwe when we were 17/5. The running catch of Viv. wickets and runs in WC. He was a super hero whose motivation, leading from front by giving abnormal performance were major reasons why India won world cup even after a horrible start in warm up.

 

Not only he was a great ODI player but he also captained the team well for India's first  WC win.

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