Footage : Kapil Dev's EPIC 129 v SA at Port Elizabeth 1992 + Pravin amre 103 in durban

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

 

 

 

Edited August 15, 2020 by Ankit_sharma03

[Ankit_sharma03]

 

 

 

[zen]

Brilliant knock .... In terms of batting potential, he did not have any major weaknesses. One of the most exciting batsmen to watch .... With his talent, he should have got 15 test 100s 

[rtmohanlal]

with the huge str:  of 81-82.5  with which he  operated  thru out combined with his 31.05 avg:, I evaluate him at the same level as a top order batsman with 35.5-36 bat avg:.  Such a great all rounder this man was.... 

[zaqw222222]

5 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

 

 

 

Absolutely love the sound of ball meeting bat, when he was hitting those shots

[Rightarmfast]

3 hours ago, rtmohanlal said:

with the huge str:  of 81-82.5  with which he  operated  thru out combined with his 31.05 avg:, I evaluate him at the same level as a top order batsman with 35.5-36 bat avg:.  Such a great all rounder this man was.... 

With a Srinath and Zaheer Khan or Shami and Bumrah, or even just Umesh Yadav bowling from the other side, he would be a better bowler than Botham and perhaps very very close to Imran Khan

[maniac]

40 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

With a Srinath and Zaheer Khan or Shami and Bumrah, or even just Umesh Yadav bowling from the other side, he would be a better bowler than Botham and perhaps very very close to Imran Khan

I rate Wasim and Waqar over Imran because I have seen them bowl in the camera era as well and they were still good even on flat tracks. Even Waqar was a complete  bowler in his last 2 years when he added more skills.

 

Imran was mediocre at the start and end of his career and his purple patch coincided when tampering was at its peak.

 

Kapil was the sole warrior overseas and in India he was as effective as our traditionally potent spin attack at home.He did all that without tampering or any cheating and 0 support.

 

No bitterness about Imran Khan, I am sure speed wise he was quicker but that’s about it. He is overrated as a bowler. 

Edited August 15, 2020 by maniac

[zen]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

 

Kapil was the sole warrior overseas and in India he was as effective as our traditionally potent spin attack at home.He did all that without tampering or any cheating and 0 support.

At various points, in English conditions, he had  Roger Binny, Chetan Sharma, Madan Lal, and so on. Then he had Manoj Prabhakar, who out bowled him in Pak.  Kapil was good early in his career as well. 

If not an “AR”, his career could have ended sooner as a bowler. 

 

 

 

Edited August 15, 2020 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

 

 

So what happened to Amre's career ? How did it not take off, he looks really good here and scoring Runs in SA is so valuable 

[Gollum]

1 hour ago, maniac said:

Kapil was the sole warrior overseas and in India he was as effective as our traditionally potent spin attack at home.

Between retirement of the legendary spin quartet and emergence of Kumble we didn't have a single quality spinner. For entirety of Kapil's career our spin reserves sucked, that is why we lost so many test series at home in that era...even weak English sides came and whooped our asses multiple times. That makes Kapil's achievements so remarkable, lone warrior on Indian pitches as well. Imagine what he would have done with one Shami/Ishant type quick and one Ashwin/Jadeja equivalent in his side. He would have taken less wickets that way but at a far better avg/SR and his batting numbers would be better. 

 

Hadlee too lacked support, but still had ATG numbers. That is why I rate him among the top 2-3 greatest quicks of all time, far far superior to the Pakistani ball tamperers. 

Edited August 15, 2020 by Gollum

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

 

 

 

So what happened to Amre's career ? How did it not take off, he looks really good here and scoring Runs in SA is so valuable 

[maniac]

22 minutes ago, zen said:

At various points, in English conditions, he had  Roger Binny, Chetan Sharma, Madan Lal, and so on. Then he had Manoj Prabhakar, who out bowled him in Pak.  Kapil was good early in his career as well. 

If not an “AR”, his career could have ended sooner as a bowler. 

 

 

 

[maniac]

12 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

So what happened to Amre's career ? How did it not take off, he looks really good here and scoring Runs in SA is so valuable 

He was a good test player but was judged based on a few odi performances. Also in the 90s we played very few tests but a lot of odis so he got lost in the shuffle as test specialist Odi specialist concept didn’t exist those days at least in India.

[zen]

4 minutes ago, maniac said:

Some of those bowlers won Ind the World Cup in ‘83 for e.g. .... good bowlers in those conditions .... Kapil has done relatively well in WI and Aus  so in certain conditions he is good, in others he needed support, etc., displays that a better or more consistent bowler could have performed better than Kapil in those circumstances too

Edited August 15, 2020 by zen

[maniac]

1 minute ago, zen said:

Some of those bowlers won Ind the World Cup in ‘83 for e.g. .... good bowlers in those conditions 

I am sure I have seen Kasporwicz and Reiffel run through sides as well but doesn’t make them better than Mcgrath or reason for McGrath’s success 

[zen]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

I am sure I have seen Kasporwicz and Reiffel run through sides as well but doesn’t make them better than Mcgrath or reason for McGrath’s success 

If Kapil needed a McGrath, it only shows he was either poor or inconsistent 

[maniac]

Just now, zen said:

If Kapil needed a McGrath, it only shows he was either poor or inconsistent 

You didn’t get my point, India was a poor team before Kapil’s debut, during his rise and career it was a middle tier team which once in a while would be too 3-4. Stop undermining a guy who is the reason why we spend a lot of hours discussing cricket passionately.

 

Kohli would have been a Air India employee and Dhoni would have found being a TT in India ( more lucrative “perks” than most mnc jobs) a better career prospect than being captain of India had it not been for Kapil Dev

[zen]

9 minutes ago, maniac said:

You didn’t get my point, India was a poor team before Kapil’s debut, during his rise and career it was a middle tier team which once in a while would be too 3-4. Stop undermining a guy who is the reason why we spend a lot of hours discussing cricket passionately.

 

Kohli would have been a Air India employee and Dhoni would have found being a TT in India ( more lucrative “perks” than most mnc jobs) a better career prospect than being captain of India had it not been for Kapil Dev

India winning the WC in 83 was a collective team effort. Roger Binny for e.g. took 18 wkts (but may be you only follow certain cricketers to know about others ), Anarnath has a great SF and F. Yashpal, Patil, Srikant, etc., played their part

 

If you talk about tests, overseas it can be even difficult to classify Kapil as an AR. Ind only won 4 tests overseas in his career. His best contribution was a 5-er in Aus 

Before Kapil, there were greats like CK Naidu, Mankad (slept outside the stadiums - difficult to find such passionate cricketers), Gavaskar, the spinners, Viswanath, and so on 

 

So while you want to hype Kapil, it is good. But it should not at the cost of team and cricket. People follow Indian cricket not players!

Edited August 15, 2020 by zen

[rtmohanlal]

3 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

With a Srinath and Zaheer Khan or Shami and Bumrah, or even just Umesh Yadav bowling from the other side, he would be a better bowler than Botham and perhaps very very close to Imran Khan

ofcourse ..... Kapil's  end bowl: average  was attained against 3 major adversities namely  longevity, heavy work load & lack of bowl support. When pitted against  Imran, I rate Kapil atleast as a 26.25   avg:ing bowler.

For instance Kapil has a stretch of  19798 balls(Imran bowled only 19458 balls) where he averaged 27.88 , that too with in just about 10 years.

 

That's why Kapil is my 'best among FAB4 ' allrounder.

[Rightarmfast]

18 hours ago, maniac said:

Madan Lal, Sandhu, Chetan sharma giving support to Kapil is like a candle giving support to sun! Roger Binny was just a military medium bowler who could bowl at times. Roger binny would be like laxmi ratan shukla and not better than Robin singh as a bowler.

 

So somebody trying to tarnish Kapil Dev's legacy by taking names of these bowlers surely never saw them bowling and lacks in cricketing knowledge. Not worth even replying to p;