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6 minutes ago, express bowling said:

Umesh's accuracy is still not there and he is still going for runs.

 

But his pace is down a lot ...  and this has resulted in him not getting his usual early wickets.

 

I don't like this approach of his.  Losing his USP. 

Umesh Yadav is one of the worst bowlers I have ever had the displeasure to see, with or without pace. 

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2 hours ago, lamellavig said:

Umesh Yadav is one of the worst bowlers I have ever had the displeasure to see, with or without pace. 

 

Umesh Yadav has never been a thinking bowler and this has resulted in him underperforming for a pacer who combines high pace and natural outswing.

 

However, the biggest purpose that Umesh has served is ...  making Indians beleive again that they too can bowl genuinely quick for 6 to 7 years or more. Srinath did so in the 1990s but the 2000s decade saw so many Indian seamers starting their careers bowling at a good pace and then becoming trundlers.  Younger pacers and coaches started to believe that Srinath was a freak and we are better off focusing on medium paced swing bowlers only.

 

Umesh Yadav  ( and Varun Aaron to some extent  )  broke this trend and brought back this belief that Indians too can bowl quickly for many years.  Then we have Shami bowling quick for 5 years now but with a much higher level of skills.  The last 2 years, we are seeing atleast 15 Indian pacers bowling quick but most of them combining it with good skills too, Bumrah being the most prominent example.

 

Umesh will never be a really good international bowler ... but has served an important purpose.

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7 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Some have them naturally 

Muscle is built by resistance cell death and replacement there are no two ways. What andy was talking about was using bowling as exercise. He would have developed all specific muscles by doing that action with ever increasing effort. There is nothing called naturally having muscles they are developed over time.

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1 hour ago, express bowling said:

Umesh's accuracy is still not there and he is still going for runs.

 

But his pace is down a lot ...  and this has resulted in him not getting his usual early wickets.

 

I don't like this approach of his.  Losing his USP. 

He bowled 90mph + just a week back. I think its an instruction from the management to bowl within 140. 

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8 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

I don't like this approach our management is suddenly taking.  Cutting down pace deliberately can be a very dangerous mistress.

You have to bowl to WIN.Not for bragging rights on speeds.On these small pattas, unless you can find reverse swing, you are going for more runs with more pace.And these same batsmen manhandled Starc who is the best ODI bowler right now by a country mile.

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37 minutes ago, Cricket_Fan said:

You have to bowl to WIN.Not for bragging rights on speeds.On these small pattas, unless you can find reverse swing, you are going for more runs with more pace.And these same batsmen manhandled Starc who is the best ODI bowler right now by a country mile.

 

1)  A good fast yorker still remains the best delivery to control runs in ODI cricket.

2)  If taking off pace is necessary then it is good to go for a proper slower ball or knuckle ball ... and not bowl just 5 k slower.   130 k to 136 k deliveries are neither here nor there.

3)  Both Umesh and Kaul have gone for a lot of runs in both matches with this approach of bowling medium pace.  Just imagine what would have happened if Kuldeep did not pick those wickets in the middle.

 

In a nutshell ... go for proper slower deliveries if high pace is deemed risky on certain pitches 

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14 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

1)  A good fast yorker still remains the best delivery to control runs in ODI cricket.

2)  If taking off pace is necessary then it is good to go for a proper slower ball or knuckle ball ... and not bowl just 5 k slower.   130 k to 137 k deliveries are neither here or there.

3)  Both Umesh and Kaul have gone for a lot of runs in both matches with this approach of bowling medium pace.  Just imagine what would have happened if Kuldeep did not pick those wickets in the middle.

 

In a nutshell ... go for proper slower deliveries if high pace is deemed risky on certain pitches 

Umeshs last over with those last fast yorkers around 89mph were good..but for the no ball..not sure why he missed trying to take pace off ball earlier...this is where bumrah is so good.

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Kaul       ...  in the first 2 ODIs

 

10 - 0 - 62 - 0  ER  6.2  ( innings ER 5.4 )

 

8 -0 - 59 - 0    ER  7.4  ( innings ER 6.4 )

 

What does he bring to the table in ODIs   ?   (  He maybe ok in T20s  )

 

Did not see any great accuracy or other skills which have to be mandatory for a short medium pacer.  

 

No wickets and much more expensive than overall economy rate.

 

Looks like a Vijay Kumar type bowler.

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1 hour ago, Vilander said:

Muscle is built by resistance cell death and replacement there are no two ways. What andy was talking about was using bowling as exercise. He would have developed all specific muscles by doing that action with ever increasing effort. There is nothing called naturally having muscles they are developed over time.

No. You are wrong. So how did 17 year old Nagarkoti built then over time? He was fast since he started playing cricket at very young age. Same was Aaron at the age of 15 when he was found by TA shekhar in a hunt. They had fast twitch already which developed more as they grew. Vinay Kumar is bowling since 2006, has he developed those muscles became a genuine fast bowler?

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