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Yup. But no Kejri Bhakt is ready to accept this or if they know about it' date=' they don't have a problem with it.[/quote'] and you complain about quality of the discussions on the forum? Is there any credible substance to support these insinuations ? or as long as it is anti-AAP everything is quality?
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When have RSS/Shiv Sena declared war against India? MIM/Razakars fought against Indian troops in 1947 and caused the death of 1000+ of our soldiers. MIM/Razakars were responsible for the widespread massacre/forceful conversion of more than 1 lakh Hindus in the former Nizam state to make it a Muslim majority one. When have RSS/Shiv Sena done anything like that? When have RSS/Shiv Sena sheltered/patronized terrorists who cause harm to the nation? Al Qaeda,ISIL, IM,SIMI,Al Ummah and countless other terror groups have Old Hyderabad as their base where they are shielded by these fanatics. Biggest internal security threat along with Naxals are these extremist groups who cannot be caught because Telengana police is too phattu even to enter the Old City. Traditional secular parties have failed to curb this menace for the last 60 years and thus emboldened these groups. Old City is now virtually a ghetto where no Hindu can enter without a risk of being killed/raped/injured by AIMIM goons. I myself have once gone there and have never been more scared my whole life. they can smell out non Muslims from amongst their presence and the look they give you will make your blood curl with fear. Pakistan flags, Islamic flags, Mosques blazing in loudspeakers about Muslim unity and the need to hunt down kafirs and make India an Islamic state, scary looking Burkhas everywhere is common theme. I have been to Dhaka twice and Dhaka believe me is much much better than this shithole. I guess even Pakistan will be much better in this aspect. When has Shiv Sena/RSS hailed 26/11 perpetrators, Kasab, Hafiz Saeed, Kashmiri Seperatists, Yasin Bhatkal, SIMI and other nonsense? When have Siv Sena/ RSS celebrated after a tragedy or when Indian cricket team loses. AIMIM supporters celebrate like crazy when non Muslims die in accidents calling it well deserved for kafirs etc etc(check their FB page). Does any AIMIM member have a shred of humanity left in them, they don't care about Hindu lives, only Muslim lives matter to them. On the other hand RSS has done a lot of charity work and volunteered during natural calamities, accidents etc without bothering about the religion of the victims. Criminal to compare AIMIM with RSS in this aspect, RSS people are patriots and selfless. Also when has Shiv Sena/RSS done this much propaganda against the Indian state? According to them in partition only Muslims died, Operation Polo was Indian aggression, Razakars were satyagrahis, Kashmir isn't a part of India, Pakistan is superior to India in every aspect, they won all 3 wars, Indians only kill Muslims, fictitious riots in which crores of minorities have been killed in India etc etc. And most importantly RSS/Shiv Sena are die hard patriots. They love India unlike MIM which loves only Muslims. They have fantasies about the Ummah and love Muslim majority countries more than India. they celebrate Pakistani independence, ISIL aggression, genocide in Bangladesh in 71 etc. You must be ashamed of yourself for comparing this outfit with RSS/ Shiv Sena. Do you care to rebut the above points in stead of running away like you do all the time? Because of people like you in this country AIMIM is still a political entity, one which will bleed India a few years down the line. They are our version of Jamaat E Islaami, like it or not.
RSS supported britishers at the time of freedom movement. When whole country was fighting against english occupation they were supporting them. What other evidence you need? One of them Killed Gandhi, chief architect of India as nation and these loonies celebrate that killer. Tell me one incident where MIM was so directly involved in killing of a person of that stature. Those kind of things have been done only by Khalistani Militants, LTTE and of course RSS. RSS patriotism is laughable. Anybody who is aware of their designs know what their actual intentions are. They basically against the very idea of India. For me not much difference between them and MIM. two sides of same coin. Both use religion for political gains. Stability and prosperity of country is secondary to both of them.
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When have RSS/Shiv Sena declared war against India? MIM/Razakars fought against Indian troops in 1947 and caused the death of 1000+ of our soldiers. MIM/Razakars were responsible for the widespread massacre/forceful conversion of more than 1 lakh Hindus in the former Nizam state to make it a Muslim majority one. When have RSS/Shiv Sena done anything like that? When have RSS/Shiv Sena sheltered/patronized terrorists who cause harm to the nation? Al Qaeda,ISIL, IM,SIMI,Al Ummah and countless other terror groups have Old Hyderabad as their base where they are shielded by these fanatics. Biggest internal security threat along with Naxals are these extremist groups who cannot be caught because Telengana police is too phattu even to enter the Old City. Traditional secular parties have failed to curb this menace for the last 60 years and thus emboldened these groups. Old City is now virtually a ghetto where no Hindu can enter without a risk of being killed/raped/injured by AIMIM goons. I myself have once gone there and have never been more scared my whole life. they can smell out non Muslims from amongst their presence and the look they give you will make your blood curl with fear. Pakistan flags, Islamic flags, Mosques blazing in loudspeakers about Muslim unity and the need to hunt down kafirs and make India an Islamic state, scary looking Burkhas everywhere is common theme. I have been to Dhaka twice and Dhaka believe me is much much better than this shithole. I guess even Pakistan will be much better in this aspect. When has Shiv Sena/RSS hailed 26/11 perpetrators, Kasab, Hafiz Saeed, Kashmiri Seperatists, Yasin Bhatkal, SIMI and other nonsense? When have Siv Sena/ RSS celebrated after a tragedy or when Indian cricket team loses. AIMIM supporters celebrate like crazy when non Muslims die in accidents calling it well deserved for kafirs etc etc(check their FB page). Does any AIMIM member have a shred of humanity left in them, they don't care about Hindu lives, only Muslim lives matter to them. On the other hand RSS has done a lot of charity work and volunteered during natural calamities, accidents etc without bothering about the religion of the victims. Criminal to compare AIMIM with RSS in this aspect, RSS people are patriots and selfless. Also when has Shiv Sena/RSS done this much propaganda against the Indian state? According to them in partition only Muslims died, Operation Polo was Indian aggression, Razakars were satyagrahis, Kashmir isn't a part of India, Pakistan is superior to India in every aspect, they won all 3 wars, Indians only kill Muslims, fictitious riots in which crores of minorities have been killed in India etc etc. And most importantly RSS/Shiv Sena are die hard patriots. They love India unlike MIM which loves only Muslims. They have fantasies about the Ummah and love Muslim majority countries more than India. they celebrate Pakistani independence, ISIL aggression, genocide in Bangladesh in 71 etc. You must be ashamed of yourself for comparing this outfit with RSS/ Shiv Sena. Do you care to rebut the above points in stead of running away like you do all the time? Because of people like you in this country AIMIM is still a political entity, one which will bleed India a few years down the line. They are our version of Jamaat E Islaami, like it or not.
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RSS supported britishers at the time of freedom movement. When whole country was fighting against english occupation they were supporting them. What other evidence you need? One of them Killed Gandhi, chief architect of India as nation and these loonies celebrate that killer. Tell me one incident where MIM was so directly involved in killing of a person of that stature. Those kind of things have been done only by Khalistani Militants, LTTE and of course RSS. RSS patriotism is laughable. Anybody who is aware of their designs know what their actual intentions are. They basically against the very idea of India. For me not much difference between them and MIM. two sides of same coin. Both use religion for political gains. Stability and prosperity of country is secondary to both of them.
1. RSS never supported Britishers during the freedom movement, it is a lie fabricated by liberals who want an excuse to belittle them. RSS was a social organization during that time, not a political outfit like Congress. When the Congress passed the Purna Swaraj resolution in 1930, Hedgewar asked all the RSS branches to hoist the Indian flag and organize lectures on the need for independence. However, the RSS simply rejected Gandhiji's willingness to cooperate with the Muslim League in the Anti-British struggle( and rightly so if we see what the Muslim League did later during the Direct Action Day, Naokhali, partition etc). You can never work alongside a mad dog and believe me Jinnah and his Muslim League were violent, blood thirsty mad dogs who never believed in peaceful co existence with Hindus. From Dr HEDGEWAR'S ROLE IN FREEDOM STRUGGLE by Rakesh Sinha "At no stage of the freedom struggle either the RSS as an organisation or any individual member of it cooperated or integrated with the colonial regime and administration. Even Bipin Chandra,a Marxist historian conceded, however in a distorted manner, this truth when he says Hedgewar never integrated with the colonial regime. (Communalism in Modern India. P. 332). Both before and after the formation of the RSS, Hedgewar missed no opportunity to strengthen the anti-colonial struggle. To him, "there is no politics for a dependent nation other than the politics of freedom struggle. It is a sine qua non for it". Mahatma Gandhi's call for civil Disobedience Movement was responded by Hedgewar to such an extent that he transferred the responsibility of the Sarsanghchalak of the RSS to Dr. Paranjape, and along with prominent leaders of the infant organisation, including Appaji Joshi, jumped into the movement. He was arrested in Yeotmal while breaking the "Forest Law" and was sentenced to nine months prison. Can anyone imagine what would have been the reaction of the followers whose leader jumped into the movement and was imprisoned ? In fact Hedgewar did not want to create another political centre by using the banner and platform of the RSS. They were already divisions in the Congress. Besides the Communists, Hindu Mahasabha, Muslim League etc. had differences with the Congress not only on ideological plank but also in tactics, strategy and programmes too. It was on ominous sign for the freedom struggle. The need of the day was to accept the strategy and programmes of the Indian National Congress instead of beating drums separately under different banners what Hedgewar actually did. " 2. Godse had left RSS in 1934. He killed Gandhi in 1948. RSS had nothing to do with Gandhi's death. Of course some loonies celebrate Godse and insult Gandhi but what is their %? RSS, Shiv Sena always acknowledge Gandhi's greatness and his contribution to our freedom struggle. And Godse's murder of the Mahatma wasn't out of thin air. Check his address to the court and final speech explaining why he killed the man he once respected and looked up to. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qFsSho6YFpkNRFjrUdn0sjV_pI_jfUyamVtn1hsbOAM/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1 http://creative.sulekha.com/why-i-killed-gandhi-nathuram-godse-s-address-in-court_463732_blog Summary of the reasons he gave why he killed Gandhi: - Gandhi had frustrated many with his brand of non-violence even in toughest of conditions. Godse initially admired Gandhi but later become disillusioned with his ideas. - By 1919, Gandhiji had become desperate in his endeavors to get the Muslims to trust him and went from one absurd promise to another. He backed the Khilafat movement and was able to enlist the full support of the National Congress in that policy. Very soon the Moplah Rebellion(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malabar_rebellion) showed that the Muslims had not the slightest idea of national unity. There followed a huge slaughter of Hindus(more than 1 lakh Hindus died, were forcibly converted or driven away ). The British Government suppressed it in a few months but countless Hindu lives couldn't be saved. At the time, the Indian National Congress ignored the movement and it remained isolated from the wider nationalist movement to preserve communal harmony in the words of Congress. - Direct Action Day(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Action_Day) and Noakhali genocide(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noakhali_riots) scared the hell out of the Hindus who until then were following Gandhi's principles of non violence and offered little resistance to the marauding Muslims who raped, plundered, looted and killed thousands of defenseless Hindus. Suhrawady the Muslim League leader(later 5th PM of independent Pakistan) was the Prime Minister of Bengal province of British India at that time and he gave state support to the rioters and was complicit in the sufferings of many Hindu civilians of his province. Later Gandhi left for Bengal for damage control and because he feared Hindus may retort with violence to Muslims. In fact Gandhi came to Kolkata to shield the killer Suhrawady(whom he always liked) and gave him the title of 'Shaheed Saheb' or martyr during his prayer meetings. Hindus who bore the brunt of Muslim League's aggression were mighty pissed off with Gandhi's brown nosing of the mass murderer . Calcutta the day after Direct Action day 76bdT74.jpgNoakhali genocide dTm4GHP.jpgGandhi and Suhrawady meet in Calcutta where he declares the Muslim League leader not guilty of any charges and a shaheed much to the disgust of Hindus 50Bc4Xp.jpg These events had shifted bargaining power to Jinnah from Congress and partition was becoming more inevitable by the day. The committee comprising Mountbatten, Jinnah, Nehru and Gandhi discussed the matter. - Gandhi again left for Calcutta to fast for Hindu-Muslim unity.In his absence, Mountbatten Plan assenting partition was passed. Gandhi had earlier objected to partition saying he wouldn't let it happen even over his dead body. However it was happening and disillusioned Indians blamed him for inaction. Godse claimed Gandhi had helped it rather. - Then when partition seemed inevitable, the Mahatma even supported the separation of Sindh from the Bombay Presidency and threw the Hindus of Sindh at the mercy of Muslim League . Numerous riots took place in Karachi, Sukkur, Shikarpur and other places in which the Hindus were the only sufferers. From August 1946 onwards, the private armies of the Muslim League began a massacre of the Hindus from Bengal to Karachi with mild reactions in the Deccan and Kerala also. The Interim government formed in September was sabotaged by its Muslim League members, but the more they became disloyal and treasonable to the government of which they were a part, the greater was Gandhi’s infatuation for them. When Hindus in Pakistan were subjected to violent attacks he did not so much as utter a single word to protest and censure the Pakistan government - According to the partition plan, India owed final installment of Rs 55 crores to Pakistan before Indo-Pak relations on the Kashmir border deteriorated. Nehru and Patel argued that this money would help Pakistan buy weapons and attack Indian interests and hence froze the transaction pissing off people across the border. In name of humanitarian principles and apparently because he wanted to save Hindus in Pakistan by going there, Gandhi once again fasted till this money was given (to have a sensitizing tool in Pakistan). He also fasted for Muslim killings to stop in Delhi. - Godse valued Hinduism staunchly and concluded Gandhi was siding with Muslims & Pakistan. He reasoned killing Gandhi would help Hindus- the followers currently enchanted wrongly with Gandhi as they'd take to calls of violence against Muslims more easily. He subsequently killed Gandhi, and didn't flee because he felt that Indian politics in the absence of Gandhiji would surely be more practical, able to retaliate, and be powerful with armed forces. He was resigned to his own future being ruined but the nation would be saved from the inroads of Pakistan and that was his primary motivation behind the assassination of Gandhi. GODSE WASN'T AS BAD AS HE IS MADE OUT TO BE, GANDHI ISN'T THE SAINT HE IS MADE OUT TO BE, HE TOO HAD HIS SHARE OF FAULTS. Don't you dare compare RSS with terrorist organizations, stop spreading your filthy lies everywhere. You have every right to criticize RSS but never throw false allegations at them. 3. So since MIM didn't kill a person of Gandhi's stature all is well you say. Tell that to the 27,000-3 lakh civilians killed and countless others forcibly converted by the MIM razakars in 1946-48. According to your logic killing 1 person is a bigger crime than committing the atrocities that MIM did during that period of time because that goes well with your AdLib agenda. And FYI RSS didn't wage a war against India like MIM, RSS didn't collaborate with an enemy country to harm India at any point of time. 4. What do you mean by Idea of India? If you have something meaningful to contribute do drop your views in this thread. http://indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?t=324871&highlight=idea 5. You question RSS' patriotism. - RSS is at the forefront in relief activities during any natural calamity: Bhuj Earthquake, 2004 Tsunami, Uttarakhand floods and the recent J&K floods to name a few. They help irrespective of one's religion or caste. RSS at the forefront in relief work Ev9SSzP.jpg - When Gandhiji visited a 1500-strong RSS camp at Wardha in 1934, he was surprised to find that the Swayamsevaks were not even aware of the castes of one another, forget about any ideas of untouchability. RSS is an organization that has always strived to break the dogma of caste system in Hinduism. http://www.hindunet.org/alt_hindu/1994/msg00174.html - During the ghastly times of partition RSS volunteers sacrificed a lot to ensure safety and dignity of Indians reeling under the Muslim League onslaught. Congress was a mute spectator that time when Hindus/Sikhs were being massacred all over the country especially in Punjab, Kashmir, Bengal and Assam. - On 18th Oct 1947, the then Home Minister Sardar Patel, requested Golwalkar to meet Maharaja Hari Singh to persuade the Maharaja to accede to India. He was accompanied by other RSS pracharaks. It is believed that the Maharaja agreed to the proposal, but the formal accession was signed only on the 26 October, after the invasion by raiders from Pakistan. Jinnah had plans in place to kill the King by 24th and capture Srinagar by 25th Oct. RSS volunteers not only provided early leads to the Indian Army about Pakistan’s upcoming attack at that time but also protected Hari Singh by mobilizing 200 volunteers. - It has been noted that the RSS volunteers participated in the Bhoodan movement organised by Gandhian leader Vinobha Bhave, who had met RSS leader Golwalkar. Golwalkar had been inspired by the movement that encouraged land reforms through voluntary means. He pledged the support of the RSS for this movement. - RSS men played a big role and laid down their lives during the decolonisation of Dadra, Nagar Haveli and Goa which were ruled by Portugese colonists. - In 1962, the then Prime Minister, Jawaharlal Nehru had requested RSS to assist the Government in various assignments during the Sino-Indian War. The RSS was invited by Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru to take part in the Republic Day parade of 1963 in recognition of its volunteer work during war time. - Again in 1965, during the Indo-Pak war, RSS was requested by the then Prime Minister, Lal Bahadur Shastri to take care of the law and order and the traffic in Delhi, so that the policemen could be spared for war duties. - In 1971 Bangladesh War of Independence, RSS volunteers offered their services to maintain law and order of the country and were the first to donate blood on such a large scale. - In 1975 the RSS defied the Emergency and thousands participated in Satyagraha against the violation of human rights regulations. Later, when there was no letup, the volunteers of the RSS formed underground movements for the restoration of democracy. It said that the movement was dominated by tens of thousands of RSS cadres. Talking about its objectives it said "its platform at the moment has only one plank: to bring democracy back to India" To know more about the patriotism of RSS check this out http://topyaps.com/other-side-of-rss AIMIM is nothing but a shoe sole in front of RSS- an organization that has always put India's interests in the forefront.
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1. Their presence isn't restricted to 1 state unlike the other outfits you mentioned, They have presence in parts of Telengana,AP,Maharashtra,Karnataka, even a couple of districts in Chattisgarh(all came under the former Nizam state). 2. They have lots of money, Nizam(the richest man on Earth during his time) and his cronies heavily funded MIM to convert/kill Hindus in his state/to fight Indian Union against integration with India. Razakars were the paramilitary wing of MIM and had 1.5 lakh members at one point of time. they launched a war against Indian Union in 1947(Operation Polo) and killed >1000 Indian soldiers(in those 2-3 years), imagine how well funded they must have been to launch such a daring act of aggression against a state 50 times it's size. Most of the Nizam's possessions/ wealth/ land/ money were passed on to Abdul Wahed Owais(lawyer of the head of Razakars and close Nizam aide, Kasim Razvi) who happens to the grandpa of Asad and Akbar. Old Hyderabad is a gold pot for MIM and from where it draws majority of its finances. Heavy funding from the Gulf states is another thing which makes them so rich. AIMIM is the most popular Indian political party in Saudi Arabia and has a lot of supporters in almost the entire Gulf region. Asad Owaisi visits Saudi Arabia once every 2-3 weeks to hold meetings there with Saudi royals, clerics, supporters etc. They splash cash on AIMIM just like they do on Pakistan. In return the Saudi form of Wahhabism is gaining a lot of traction in India, especially in Hyderabad, Aurangabad, Bhatkal, Nanded etc. Same thing happened with Pakistan too(Wahhabism) and it didn't turn out too well, did it? The overseas AIMIM supporters also heavily fund the organization. Even many Pakistanis finance this outfit from overseas, check the Pakistan fan clubs of MIM/Owaisis. IN SHORT NO OTHER MUSLIM POLITICAL OUTFIT IS AS WELL FUNDED AS AIMIM, ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY THEY ARE EXPANDING TO SO MANY STATES. 3. AIMIM calls for Muslim unity, Shia/Sunni both rally behind the Owaisis. Even though the party gets most of it's funding from Saudi Arabia Asad Owaisi has played a clever game of gaining trust among Shias/other sects too. Never in their rallies/jalsas/social media will you find them criticizing other sects of Muslims. Owaisi always talk of Muslim unity against Hindus. In Lucknow (Shia majority) for example AIMIM has developed a strong base over the past 12 months and may very well upset calculations for other parties in the 2016 assembly elections. 4. They take up the cause for Muslims from other states/nations very aggressively and this endears them in the eyes of many Indian Muslims. They helped Kashmir flood victims, Muslims who suffered during Uttarkhand floods(they built Madrassahs, Mosques, Muslim only hospitals etc for the victims there), Assam Muslim riot victims in 2012, illegal Bangladeshi immigrants(remember Asad's speech in Parliament), Muzzafarnagar riot victims, raised demand for reservation for Muslims in educational institutes and sarkaari jobs etc. In fact they have given shelter to 1000 Rohingya Muslims in Old City. They also invest heavily in propaganda against the Indian state and protest against alleged fake encounters, alleged police brutalities etc. Asad Owaisi does only this in Parliament, slamming the Government against what he calls persecution of Muslims(Ishrat Jahan, Pune techie murder etc) in India.Their protests against Israel, USA(remember how they shut down Hyderabad during Bush's visit in 2006), Prophet Muhammad cartoons, Taslima Nasreen, etc are very very aggressive and eye catching. Akbaruddin Owaisi once attacked Taslima Nasreen during one of her meets in Hyderabad and promised to behead her in public( his aide had brought swords, knives, machetes to the building to carry out the execution :cantstop:) 5. Many Muslims have this amazing victim mentality where they feel that they are being exploited/persecuted in India and that laws are against them(quite the opposite is reality in fact), they don't have opportunities to grow etc. After having realized that for so long the have been used as a vote bank by traditional so called secular parties they are very angry/feel cheated and in AIMIM they see an aggressive Islamic political outfit through which they can channel their aggression/frustration against the majority Hindus who they feel are their enemies. AIMIM's ultra aggressive image is their USP and what attracts many disgruntled Muslim youth amongst their ranks. 6. Both the Owaisi are tremendous orators. :hatsoff: Their oratory skills, hate speeches, jalsas are something that catches the eye of majority Muslims in India(mostly uneducated/poor class, some middle class and elite class also) No other Indian Muslim leader has the stature/oratory skill of the Owaisi bros today. Also their emphasis on Urdu carves an identity for Indian Muslims through which they can distinguish themselves from other Hindi/regional language speaking Indians. 7. AIMIM also targets the Dalit votebank even though they really don't care much about them. for them it is a party for the Muslims, of the Muslims and by the Muslims. However by fielding a few Dalits in elections, giving them high posts and praising Ambedkar the cunning Asad Owaisi has carved a special place in the hearts of many Dalits in Telengana, Maharashtra, Karnataka especially. By calling Ambedkar greater than Gandhi, visiting Dalit families who have faced hardships because of caste violence/economic hardships, giving them financial incentives, promising more reservations for them etc they have done what no other Muslim political outfit in India has managed to do thus far: creating a votebank for them from non Muslims. 8. Acceptance of Owaisi by many non Muslims as a nationalist, secular, truthful leader. This is the biggest BS, even many ICFers have fallen prey to this, they think that Owaisi somehow is a patriot. BS, total BS, just because he goes to some Pakistani talk show and slams them doesn't make him love India. Remember whose blood runs in his veins, he and his family have waged war against India in the past, they have blood in their hands. He loves only Indian Muslims, not India. AIMIM is the new Muslim League. Barrister Owaisi wants to be like barrister Jinnah, cold hard fact. But he is a media darling, all Adlibs are in love with this guy and give him so much screen time and portray an incorrect impression of him before the gullible Indian public. Instead of punishing all members of the Owaisi family for their involvement in the Razakar movement, media glorifies them as secular patriots:giggle:. No other Muslim leader gets this much of adulation from Indian media like Asad and this wily fox has used it to his advantage, nice image building but in reality that image is far from the truth.
All great points and very valid ones. Especially #4 and #5 are working in MIM's favor. On #5, I will say that this victim mentality is not just the case of Indian Muslims, but the World over. Outside India, they are using this victim card against "western forces" or Israel. What is working most in AIMIM's favor seems to be the perception that they are perhaps the most radical of all the Muslim parties in India (this might be true). They have carefully crafted this impression. The polarization and radicalization of Muslims the World over is affecting Indian Muslims too and they feel the need for voting the most radical political party to represent them.
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8. Acceptance of Owaisi by many non Muslims as a nationalist, secular, truthful leader. This is the biggest BS, even many ICFers have fallen prey to this, they think that Owaisi somehow is a patriot. BS, total BS, just because he goes to some Pakistani talk show and slams them doesn't make him love India. Remember whose blood runs in his veins, he and his family have waged war against India in the past, they have blood in their hands. He loves only Indian Muslims, not India. AIMIM is the new Muslim League. Barrister Owaisi wants to be like barrister Jinnah, cold hard fact. But he is a media darling, all Adlibs are in love with this guy and give him so much screen time and portray an incorrect impression of him before the gullible Indian public. Instead of punishing all members of the Owaisi family for their involvement in the Razakar movement, media glorifies them as secular patriots:giggle:. No other Muslim leader gets this much of adulation from Indian media like Asad and this wily fox has used it to his advantage, nice image building but in reality that image is far from the truth.
Browsed through this rant for laugh value which many are finding quality post. From when such language "Remember whose blood runs in his veins" is acceptable in serious political discussion? Sounds more like a war cry than a discussion between matured people.
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1. RSS never supported Britishers during the freedom movement, it is a lie fabricated by liberals who want an excuse to belittle them. RSS was a social organization during that time, not a political outfit like Congress. When the Congress passed the Purna Swaraj resolution in 1930, Hedgewar asked all the RSS branches to hoist the Indian flag and organize lectures on the need for independence. However, the RSS simply rejected Gandhiji's willingness to cooperate with the Muslim League in the Anti-British struggle( and rightly so if we see what the Muslim League did later during the Direct Action Day, Naokhali, partition etc). You can never work alongside a mad dog and believe me Jinnah and his Muslim League were violent, blood thirsty mad dogs who never believed in peaceful co existence with Hindus. From Dr HEDGEWAR'S ROLE IN FREEDOM STRUGGLE by Rakesh Sinha "At no stage of the freedom struggle either the RSS as an organisation or any individual member of it cooperated or integrated with the colonial regime and administration. Even Bipin Chandra,a Marxist historian conceded, however in a distorted manner, this truth when he says Hedgewar never integrated with the colonial regime. (Communalism in Modern India. P. 332). Both before and after the formation of the RSS, Hedgewar missed no opportunity to strengthen the anti-colonial struggle. To him, "there is no politics for a dependent nation other than the politics of freedom struggle. It is a sine qua non for it". Mahatma Gandhi's call for civil Disobedience Movement was responded by Hedgewar to such an extent that he transferred the responsibility of the Sarsanghchalak of the RSS to Dr. Paranjape, and along with prominent leaders of the infant organisation, including Appaji Joshi, jumped into the movement. He was arrested in Yeotmal while breaking the "Forest Law" and was sentenced to nine months prison. Can anyone imagine what would have been the reaction of the followers whose leader jumped into the movement and was imprisoned ? In fact Hedgewar did not want to create another political centre by using the banner and platform of the RSS. They were already divisions in the Congress. Besides the Communists, Hindu Mahasabha, Muslim League etc. had differences with the Congress not only on ideological plank but also in tactics, strategy and programmes too. It was on ominous sign for the freedom struggle. The need of the day was to accept the strategy and programmes of the Indian National Congress instead of beating drums separately under different banners what Hedgewar actually did. " 2. Godse had left RSS in 1934. He killed Gandhi in 1948. RSS had nothing to do with Gandhi's death. Of course some loonies celebrate Godse and insult Gandhi but what is their %? RSS, Shiv Sena always acknowledge Gandhi's greatness and his contribution to our freedom struggle. And Godse's murder of the Mahatma wasn't out of thin air. Check his address to the court and final speech explaining why he killed the man he once respected and looked up to. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qFsSho6YFpkNRFjrUdn0sjV_pI_jfUyamVtn1hsbOAM/edit?hl=en_US&pli=1 http://creative.sulekha.com/why-i-killed-gandhi-nathuram-godse-s-address-in-court_463732_blog Summary of the reasons he gave why he killed Gandhi: - Gandhi had frustrated many with his brand of non-violence even in toughest of conditions. Godse initially admired Gandhi but later become disillusioned with his ideas. - By 1919, Gandhiji had become desperate in his endeavors to get the Muslims to trust him and went from one absurd promise to another. He backed the Khilafat movement and was able to enlist the full support of the National Congress in that policy. Very soon the Moplah Rebellion(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malabar_rebellion) showed that the Muslims had not the slightest idea of national unity. There followed a huge slaughter of Hindus(more than 1 lakh Hindus died, were forcibly converted or driven away ). The British Government suppressed it in a few months but countless Hindu lives couldn't be saved. At the time, the Indian National Congress ignored the movement and it remained isolated from the wider nationalist movement to preserve communal harmony in the words of Congress. - Direct Action Day(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Action_Day) and Noakhali genocide(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noakhali_riots) scared the hell out of the Hindus who until then were following Gandhi's principles of non violence and offered little resistance to the marauding Muslims who raped, plundered, looted and killed thousands of defenseless Hindus. Suhrawady the Muslim League leader(later 5th PM of independent Pakistan) was the Prime Minister of Bengal province of British India at that time and he gave state support to the rioters and was complicit in the sufferings of many Hindu civilians of his province. Later Gandhi left for Bengal for damage control and because he feared Hindus may retort with violence to Muslims. In fact Gandhi came to Kolkata to shield the killer Suhrawady(whom he always liked) and gave him the title of 'Shaheed Saheb' or martyr during his prayer meetings. Hindus who bore the brunt of Muslim League's aggression were mighty pissed off with Gandhi's brown nosing of the mass murderer . Calcutta the day after Direct Action day 76bdT74.jpgNoakhali genocide dTm4GHP.jpgGandhi and Suhrawady meet in Calcutta where he declares the Muslim League leader not guilty of any charges and a shaheed much to the disgust of Hindus 50Bc4Xp.jpg These events had shifted bargaining power to Jinnah from Congress and partition was becoming more inevitable by the day. The committee comprising Mountbatten, Jinnah, Nehru and Gandhi discussed the matter. - Gandhi again left for Calcutta to fast for Hindu-Muslim unity.In his absence, Mountbatten Plan assenting partition was passed. Gandhi had earlier objected to partition saying he wouldn't let it happen even over his dead body. However it was happening and disillusioned Indians blamed him for inaction. Godse claimed Gandhi had helped it rather. - Then when partition seemed inevitable, the Mahatma even supported the separation of Sindh from the Bombay Presidency and threw the Hindus of Sindh at the mercy of Muslim League . Numerous riots took place in Karachi, Sukkur, Shikarpur and other places in which the Hindus were the only sufferers. From August 1946 onwards, the private armies of the Muslim League began a massacre of the Hindus from Bengal to Karachi with mild reactions in the Deccan and Kerala also. The Interim government formed in September was sabotaged by its Muslim League members, but the more they became disloyal and treasonable to the government of which they were a part, the greater was Gandhi’s infatuation for them. When Hindus in Pakistan were subjected to violent attacks he did not so much as utter a single word to protest and censure the Pakistan government - According to the partition plan, India owed final installment of Rs 55 crores to Pakistan before Indo-Pak relations on the Kashmir border deteriorated. Nehru and Patel argued that this money would help Pakistan buy weapons and attack Indian interests and hence froze the transaction pissing off people across the border. In name of humanitarian principles and apparently because he wanted to save Hindus in Pakistan by going there, Gandhi once again fasted till this money was given (to have a sensitizing tool in Pakistan). He also fasted for Muslim killings to stop in Delhi. - Godse valued Hinduism staunchly and concluded Gandhi was siding with Muslims & Pakistan. He reasoned killing Gandhi would help Hindus- the followers currently enchanted wrongly with Gandhi as they'd take to calls of violence against Muslims more easily. He subsequently killed Gandhi, and didn't flee because he felt that Indian politics in the absence of Gandhiji would surely be more practical, able to retaliate, and be powerful with armed forces. He was resigned to his own future being ruined but the nation would be saved from the inroads of Pakistan and that was his primary motivation behind the assassination of Gandhi. GODSE WASN'T AS BAD AS HE IS MADE OUT TO BE, GANDHI ISN'T THE SAINT HE IS MADE OUT TO BE, HE TOO HAD HIS SHARE OF FAULTS. Don't you dare compare RSS with terrorist organizations, stop spreading your filthy lies everywhere. You have every right to criticize RSS but never throw false allegations at them. 3. So since MIM didn't kill a person of Gandhi's stature all is well you say. Tell that to the 27,000-3 lakh civilians killed and countless others forcibly converted by the MIM razakars in 1946-48. According to your logic killing 1 person is a bigger crime than committing the atrocities that MIM did during that period of time because that goes well with your AdLib agenda. And FYI RSS didn't wage a war against India like MIM, RSS didn't collaborate with an enemy country to harm India at any point of time. 4. What do you mean by Idea of India? If you have something meaningful to contribute do drop your views in this thread. http://indiancricketfans.com/showthread.php?t=324871&highlight=idea 5. You question RSS' patriotism. - RSS is at the forefront in relief activities during any natural calamity: Bhuj Earthquake, 2004 Tsunami, Uttarakhand floods and the recent J&K floods to name a few. They help irrespective of one's religion or caste. RSS at the forefront in relief work Ev9SSzP.jpg - When Gandhiji visited a 1500-strong RSS camp at Wardha in 1934, he was surprised to find that the Swayamsevaks were not even aware of the castes of one another, forget about any ideas of untouchability. RSS is an organization that has always strived to break the dogma of caste system in Hinduism. http://www.hindunet.org/alt_hindu/1994/msg00174.html - During the ghastly times of partition RSS volunteers sacrificed a lot to ensure safety and dignity of Indians reeling under the Muslim League onslaught. Congress was a mute spectator that time when Hindus/Sikhs were being massacred all over the country especially in Punjab, Kashmir, Bengal and Assam. - On 18th Oct 1947, the then Home Minister Sardar Patel, requested Golwalkar to meet Maharaja Hari Singh to persuade the Maharaja to accede to India. He was accompanied by other RSS pracharaks. It is believed that the Maharaja agreed to the proposal, but the formal accession was signed only on the 26 October, after the invasion by raiders from Pakistan. Jinnah had plans in place to kill the King by 24th and capture Srinagar by 25th Oct. RSS volunteers not only provided early leads to the Indian Army about Pakistan’s upcoming attack at that time but also protected Hari Singh by mobilizing 200 volunteers. - It has been noted that the RSS volunteers participated in the Bhoodan movement organised by Gandhian leader Vinobha Bhave, who had met RSS leader Golwalkar. Golwalkar had been inspired by the movement that encouraged land reforms through voluntary means. He pledged the support of the RSS for this movement. - RSS men played a big role and laid down their lives during the decolonisation of Dadra, Nagar Haveli and Goa which were ruled by Portugese colonists. - In 1962, the then Prime Minister, Jawaharlal Nehru had requested RSS to assist the Government in various assignments during the Sino-Indian War. The RSS was invited by Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru to take part in the Republic Day parade of 1963 in recognition of its volunteer work during war time. - Again in 1965, during the Indo-Pak war, RSS was requested by the then Prime Minister, Lal Bahadur Shastri to take care of the law and order and the traffic in Delhi, so that the policemen could be spared for war duties. - In 1971 Bangladesh War of Independence, RSS volunteers offered their services to maintain law and order of the country and were the first to donate blood on such a large scale. - In 1975 the RSS defied the Emergency and thousands participated in Satyagraha against the violation of human rights regulations. Later, when there was no letup, the volunteers of the RSS formed underground movements for the restoration of democracy. It said that the movement was dominated by tens of thousands of RSS cadres. Talking about its objectives it said "its platform at the moment has only one plank: to bring democracy back to India" To know more about the patriotism of RSS check this out http://topyaps.com/other-side-of-rss AIMIM is nothing but a shoe sole in front of RSS- an organization that has always put India's interests in the forefront.
Through this long post you ended up supporting Godse and proved what I was saying. Godse was RSS man who killed most globally respected, renowned Indian ever. Throwing mud on Gandhi not gonna help you, rather exposes nefarious designs of RSS.
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Through this long post you ended up supporting Godse and proved what I was saying. Godse was RSS man who killed most globally respected' date=' renowned Indian ever. Throwing mud on Gandhi not gonna help you, rather exposes nefarious designs of RSS.[/quote'] I think Gollum already posted that Godse left RSS way back or do you want to say that whosoever in this world opposes Mahatma Gandhi, he would be a member of RSS. If that is the case then our PM is a big fan of Mahatma Gandhi so with this logic he should not be considered RSS supporter right?
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I think Gollum already posted that Godse left RSS way back or do you want to say that whosoever in this world opposes Mahatma Gandhi' date=' he would be a member of RSS. If that is the case then our PM is a big fan of Mahatma Gandhi so with this logic he should not be considered RSS supporter right?[/quote'] and those who don't support RSS, equate RSS with ISIS, so our should be thnking RSS same a ISIS.!! sir ji.. apka logic bahut solid hota hai :giggle: . This is not first time when you have exhibited suck expertise in this area.
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and those who don't support RSS, equate RSS with ISIS, so our should be thnking RSS same a ISIS.!! sir ji.. apka logic bahut solid hota hai :giggle: . This is not first time when you have exhibited suck expertise in this area.
That was just a question and as it happens always you did not answered directly. Let me remind your logic sir in the Ache din Thread when I shared a funny reply of Sagarika Tweet, you asked me question whether I supported ShivSena because somehow you inferred that I support them and as it always happens I replied directly but somehow when someone else wants to know your opinion he will never get a direct reply as if we are talking to an old age politician. Your hypocrisy doesn't ends here, you conviniently reply to some posts and for other you go for a meeting, and your fav reply
don't reply to poster reply to post
but see what you yourself usually do. Even with this suck expertise in Indian Politics,I was able to predict BJP winning under Modi in 2014 and how Amit Shah is handling UP, you did not. Logically you are what a big sucker in this area.
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That was just a question and as it happens always you did not answered directly. Let me remind your logic sir in the Ache din Thread when I shared a funny reply of Sagarika Tweet, you asked me question whether I supported ShivSena because somehow you inferred that I support them and as it always happens I replied directly but somehow when someone else wants to know your opinion he will never get a direct reply as if we are talking to an old age politician. Your hypocrisy doesn't ends here, you conviniently reply to some posts and for other you go for a meeting, and your fav reply but see what you yourself usually do. Even with this suck expertise in Indian Politics,I was able to predict BJP winning under Modi in 2014 and how Amit Shah is handling UP, you did not. Logically you are what a big sucker in this area.
Use of word suck was typo, I meant to type," when you have exhibited such expertise in this area. " Also i don't claim of having great expertise in prediction. May really suck at that.
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People need to read about the direct action day and Noakhali riots and the bengali hindu home land movement post that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengali_Hindu_Homeland_Movement Bengal was the only proivnce in India ruled by Muslim League and how they will treat Hindus was clear back then only.Thank god for our ancestors we Hindu Bengalis got our separate state and dont have to live under muslim rule. The movement was actively supported by RSS.

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Through this long post you ended up supporting Godse and proved what I was saying. Godse was RSS man who killed most globally respected' date= renowned Indian ever. Throwing mud on Gandhi not gonna help you, rather exposes nefarious designs of RSS.
though he was a member, he was more of a Sawarkar man in the Hindu Mahasabha. Not all BJP members are RSS men. Prakash Javdekar for example is a member primarily of the Hindu Mahasabha
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though he was a member' date=' he was more of a Sawarkar man in the Hindu Mahasabha. Not all BJP members are RSS men. Prakash Javdekar for example is a member primarily of the Hindu Mahasabha[/quote'] Nalin Kohli is also one example, he never has attended any RSS Shakha and not a RSS man.
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