Asim Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 In Kashmir, Indian security forces use pellet guns that often blind protesters https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/12/in-kashmir-indian-security-forces-use-pellet-guns-that-often-blind-protesters/ After four days of chaotic and violent protests in Indian-administered Kashmir, at least 24 people are dead and hundreds injured. Doctors at the main hospital in Srinagar, the region's capital, have struggled to cope with the casualties. Many of the wounded are lying two to a bed. ... ... "Seventy-seven persons have been hit by pellets in their eyes," a doctor told Caravan magazine on Monday. That article leads with the story of a 9-year-old girl who was shot in the eye while watching the protests through a window at home. The pellet was still lodged in her eye as of Tuesday. "We have already operated on 92 patients. Every hour, more young men arrive with pellet injuries to the eyes. We are overburdened," another doctor at the same hospital told the Indian Express on Tuesday. Yet another doctor said, "We have never seen anything of this magnitude. Everyone who came here has pellet wounds above the chest." Both doctors said the rate of eye injuries was unprecedented. They also said that the majority of injuries overall involved upper-body wounds. Accounts from the hospital indicate that most of the wounded are young men, though numerous children also were being operated on. One widely circulated photo showed an 11-year-old boy with multiple upper-body injuries. Since the last major outbreak of violence, which occurred in 2010, Indian police and paramilitary forces have been using pellet guns to suppress protests and riots. These weapons are intended to be "non-lethal." They are certainly useful in dispersing crowds. But being blinded, of course, has severe consequences for the victim and their family. It is not like being shot in the arm or anywhere else on the body, where healing might be easier. Someone whose eyes are hit by pellets may never see light again. An x ray of a #Kashmir boy hit by pellets...This evil weapon meant for beasts should be banned. India stations at least a half-million troops in Kashmir, making it the world's most heavily militarized region. The simmering insurgency, as well as flare-ups like the ongoing one, have left more than 10,000 dead since 1990. Deucalion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Unfortunately, pellets guns have to be used when the so-called protesters start to attack those stationed to provide security These so called protesters have killed security personals If Pakistanis are so worried about Kashmiris, first they should remove all their forces and other citizens from POK and stop supporting terrorism. Per UN Resolution, the first condition is that all Pakistanis vacate Kashmir chewy, tweaker, sscomp32 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 if padosis are worried for the safety of kashmiris, they should stop waging a proxy war in kashmir.. it is well known , who pays for the stone throwers <pakistan> sscomp32, dial_100, Rasgulla and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) The protesters can always stop throwing stones at the forces.It is not like the forces are using this without a reason. These so called protesters have been assaulting security forces for decades using stones and worse. This is not protest.It is aggression with assault .The forces have a right to use pellets not just to restore order,but also in self defense. People crying over their children should try and teach these children to not assault people with stones. More over ,these people or any protesters any where in the country have no right to cause inconvenience and problems to normal people It doesn't matter where...if protesters cannot protest peacefully without violence and causing inconvenience to others....security forces have all the right to use force. The choice of not to get hit by the pellets lie squarely with these guys.Learn to protest peacefully like humans to be treated like humans.Act like monsters and apprentice of terrorists,get treated like them. Edited July 25, 2016 by radhika chewy, Garuda, sscomp32 and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 When you throw stones against any army you are bound to expect this.Pakistan needs to look at its own record for baloachistan before commenting on India. sscomp32, chewy, adi B and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Unfortunate pellets, good on Indian forces they are not using bullets. may be they can use hose and tasers next. Anything that controls crowd but does not injure young kashmiri kids, and moves them back to path of education and progress. Now to pak people. Listen up. 1, If Pak wants Kashmiries and some kashmiri muslims want pak, then we can let the union happen. Kashmiri muslims who want to go to pak can cross the border.No state compensation, but we can give 100 bucks for breakfast and some water, and stop the electricity in the fences till they cross. 2, No plebiscite. Conditions on ground has changed. Pak needs to remove its troops from POK/Muzz and then make the ethinicity similar to what it was in 1947( no punjabi paktoon only kashmiri). India will then remove forces from cities and have enough to protect kashmir from pak attack. Pak will have to get the ceded territories from china and include them in the withdrawal. After this India will bring back the now 26 million hindu pandit population back into valley till the last of them which might take very careful planing and execution. ( most of them serve the indian military now) and hold plebiscite. 3, Pak you wont get any more land from us, we will take back all of Kashmir,Chitral take some more from you for good measure etc. bye. And Indian muslims really dont want you they help themselves and dont think much of Pak as is rest of the world. Adi_91, tweaker, dial_100 and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) If someone throws the stats on number of civilians killed in Baluchistan vs. the number of civilians+terrorists killed in Kashmir (both by terrorists and by army ) in last decade or two , this guy Asim will apologise here if he has a iota of honesty in him. Edited July 25, 2016 by randomGuy tweaker, sscomp32, chewy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dial_100 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 As soon as innocents especially kids see that miscreants are causing any unrest on the streets of Kashmir, they should retreat to their homes to safety. Stay put until situation is under control. Army wants peace in Kashmir. They don't want separatist attack them and kill them but if they were to defect themselves, they will do it with proper procedure. There were numerous warnings given by army before they used most acceptable offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asim Posted July 25, 2016 Author Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) 17 hours ago, sarchasm said: Someone check the veracity of the pic posted in OP...my gut instinct is it's taken from elsewhere and used for propaganda purposes. Use of pellet guns is as humane as it gets, almost needlessly so, when you are up against a brainwashed public that wants an islamofascist regime. Can't think of any army that has been as patient and tolerant when dealing with an armed and hostile crowd. Please go on to check 'veracity' of these pics: http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/in-kashmir-pellet-gun-victims-are-as-young-as-4-years/story-1tMf1PBrubqxTw3f5V3IgL.html http://www.thenational.ae/world/south-asia/indian-troops-come-under-fire-for-devastating-use-of-pellet-guns-to-quell-kashmir-protests Indian troops come under fire for devastating use of pellet guns to quell Kashmir protests Concern in Kashmir over police pellet guns http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-36822567 Edited July 26, 2016 by radhika Deucalion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 if pakistan is really bothered about the suffering of kashmiris , they should stop paying to kashmiri thugs to throw stones .. on the other hand , if pakistan continues to pamper , we should take care of our balooch and afghan brothers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vilander Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 The pellets are real but its unbelievable that Indian forces can do this to kids, why kids how did they come out or are the separatists using kids as shields, looks like some psyops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 9 minutes ago, Vilander said: The pellets are real but its unbelievable that Indian forces can do this to kids, why kids how did they come out or are the separatists using kids as shields, looks like some psyops Kids should neither be out on the streets, nor be near the windows watching. Probably the so called rioters are using women and children as shield too .... Best guess is that the kids are caught in the cross-fire and therefore have their parents/guardians to blame tweaker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Always sad when violence occurs. But as someone already posted, its not as if army is shooting pellets at bystanders. They are being attacked with bottle bombs, stones what have you. But I will say this, Us Indians should recognize that there is a serious credibility issue for us and our government with these Kashmiris. I mean if thousands of people are agitating after a known and self-confessed terrorist is shot, there is an issue there that needs to be resolved. I'm all for not letting Pakistan profit from this, but nor do I want my government to act like an occupying power. Not in my name or my country's name. If it means that we come up with some creative solution with Puerto Rico type status, thats fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 1 minute ago, sandeep said: Always sad when violence occurs. But as someone already posted, its not as if army is shooting pellets at bystanders. They are being attacked with bottle bombs, stones what have you. But I will say this, Us Indians should recognize that there is a serious credibility issue for us and our government with these Kashmiris. I mean if thousands of people are agitating after a known and self-confessed terrorist is shot, there is an issue there that needs to be resolved. I'm all for not letting Pakistan profit from this, but nor do I want my government to act like an occupying power. Not in my name or my country's name. If it means that we come up with some creative solution with Puerto Rico type status, thats fine. Google Operation Gibraltar .... Also note that non-Muslim Kashmirs have been driven out of the valley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 looks like a propaganda picture .. guess these kids might not be knowing what they are doing randomGuy, sscomp32 and tweaker 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 If these elements want to gain something, first they have to ask Pak to vacate POK. 2nd, welcome those non-Muslims back If they are only revolting in J&K and surprisingly saying nothing about POK, a part of Kashmir, it is not hard to see where the fuel is coming from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniac Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Why are these idiots not going to school and trying to improve their region.....if given freedom they will become bigger terrorists and create nuisance to the neighbors....Not wrong to make an example of a couple of idiots sscomp32, beetle and tweaker 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Merlyn Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Live bullets cant be used.Rubber pellets cant be used.What will the army use when they are attacked with stones sticks sharp weapons grenades etc by mobs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velu Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 (edited) padosis should stop obsessing with kashmir or kashmiris.. atleast kashmiris can fast or pray whenever they want unlike what happens in their friendly china .. kashmir was peacful till late 1980s then it all changed when pakistan decided to wage a proxy war with us with surplus mujahadeens that they trained for action in Afghanistan.. if padosis are really bothered about civil rights , they should free Balochistan first.. anyway there is a reason why afghans like indians and hate Pakistani even though both sides are muslims looks like kashmir is still relatively peaceful wen compared to 90s Edited July 25, 2016 by velu randomGuy and sscomp32 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted July 26, 2016 Share Posted July 26, 2016 Fatalities in Baluchistan (just last 5 years, figures available for previous periods as well) Please Note that these stats are just for Baluchistan where there is a freedom movement. When you include total civilian fatalities throughout Pak., the no. goes up 4-6 times every year. 2011 - Civilians - 542 Militants - 47 Security forces - 122 Total - 711 2012 - Civilians - 690 Militants - 86 Security forces - 178 Total - 954 2013 - Civilians - 718 Militants - 105 Security forces - 137 Total - 960 2014 - Civilians - 347 Militants - 223 Security forces - 83 Total - 653 2015 - Civilians - 247 Militants - 298 Security forces - 90 Total - 635 Source - http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/pakistan/database/fatilities_regionwise.htm Fatalities in Kashmir 2011 - Civilians - 32 Militants - 119 Security forces - 30 Total - 183 2012 - Civilians - 16 Militants - 84 Security forces - 17 Total - 117 2013 - Civilians - 20 Militants - 100 Security forces - 61 Total - 181 2014 - Civilians - 32 Militants - 110 Security forces - 51 Total - 193 2015 - Civilians - 20 Militants - 113 Security forces - 41 Total - 174 source - http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/india/database/indiafatalities.htm This guy Asim had perfect idea of these numbers and yet is being a hypocrite. tweaker, sscomp32, zen and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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