Straight Drive Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 We do have second teams and they are called u25, u23. Likes of Khalil, Avesh have been playing for U23 as they didn't make main squads. Even when he doesn't play for main squad play U23. Those arr age group teams, secobd team is totally different concept Sent from my ASUS_Z00LD using Tapatalk Link to comment
King Tendulkar Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 This basil guy need to see him live in proper game . All this seeing videos , not sure . Link to comment
Laaloo Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Irfan Pathan Ankit_sharma03 1 Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 hour ago, laaloo said: Irfan Pathan He shud be in potential left arm spinner category who can bat a bit. But Krunal, Axar n Jadeja are quicker then him tweaker 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 11 hours ago, King Tendulkar said: This basil guy need to see him live in proper game . All this seeing videos , not sure . people have seen him live in a proper game. Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 12 hours ago, Straight Drive said: Those arr age group teams, secobd team is totally different concept Sent from my ASUS_Z00LD using Tapatalk In Indian domestic, they are the second teams. Link to comment
putrevus Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) On 2/6/2017 at 8:00 AM, express bowling said: The ability to get more-than-normal bounce off length or just short of it, is often the difference between a good international pacer and an ordinary one. The reason why I want pacers like Nathu Singh and Basil Thampi to be introduced in our pool of pacers and the new kid being discussed, Aniket Choudhary, has this ability too. ( While guys like Dinda, Mohit, Vinay etc. did not have this ability and they failed dutifully ). This ability to generate bounce from short of good length is totally dependent on height. I have not seen any Asian bowler who could do that consistently, all Asian bowlers are more swing dependent (conventional and reverse) than seam and bounce due to nature of pitches they play. Ishant has the height but he floats the ball . As you mentioned skiddy bowlers are effective as their bounce is more towards the head rather than over the head making it very awkward to duck but it needs to be bowled at certain pace not many Indian bowlers have that pace. Edited February 8, 2017 by putrevus Link to comment
Pollack Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 (edited) McGrath was champion of bounce from good lengths.Haven't seen many who do that. Edited February 8, 2017 by Pollack Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 1 hour ago, putrevus said: This ability to generate bounce from short of good length is totally dependent on height. I have not seen any Asian bowler who could do that consistently, all Asian bowlers are more swing dependent (conventional and reverse) than seam and bounce due to nature of pitcy play. It is also dependent on the ability to hit the deck hard and landing the ball on the seam with consistency. Shami gets more than normal bounce from length or just short of it , especially from 2016. So does Aaron, Ishant Bumrah and Pandya. It is true that out natural tendency was swinging the ball....but we saw bouncy seam bowlers like Srinath, Ankola, Kuruvilla, Munaf in the past and Shami , Ishant, Bumrah nowadays and Pandya has that ability too. 1 hour ago, putrevus said: Ishant has the height but he floats the ball . As you mentioned skiddy bowlers are effective as their bounce is more towards the head rather than over the head making it very awkward to duck but it needs to be bowled at certain pace not many Indian bowlers have that pace. We have quite a few pacers now who have the pace.... like Shami, Umesh, Ishant, Aaron, Bumrah, Pandya. Also, Ishant hits the deck hard at 50% of the time he bowls. Link to comment
Cricketics Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 21 hours ago, King Tendulkar said: This basil guy need to see him live in proper game . All this seeing videos , not sure . Recorded videos are of games which were once played live. It is common sense. The guy is running in hard and bowling like any other speed demon in International cricket. We need to get him for 50 overs right after champions trophy is done, so he can get a proper chance in bilateral series. Let him fail but give him a proper 50 over game chance, and not in any bullshyt 2020 tournament. Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 11 hours ago, rkt.india said: In Indian domestic, they are the second teams. I don't agree with that. The seconds teams concept is just not there for our state teams like they have in county's. Link to comment
putrevus Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 12 minutes ago, express bowling said: It is also dependent on the ability to hit the deck hard and landing the ball on the seam with consistency. Shami gets more than normal bounce from length or just short of it , especially from 2016. So does Aaron, Ishant Bumrah and Pandya. It is true that out natural tendency was swinging the ball....but we saw bouncy seam bowlers like Srinath, Ankola, Kuruvilla, Munaf in the past and Shami , Ishant, Bumrah nowadays and Pandya has that ability too. We have quite a few pacers now who have the pace.... like Shami, Umesh, Ishant, Aaron, Bumrah, Pandya. Also, Ishant hits the deck hard at 50% of the time he bowls. IMHO more than pace and bounce these guys need to learn art of running thru batting lineups.They look like million dollars when they have no responsibility of running thru lineups because spinners are doing all the heavy lifting.As Ganguly said one or two wickets by fast bowlers will not win you matches overseas they need to take five-fers. After Srinath we do not have another fast bowler who has taken 10 plus wickets in a match at home and Ishant has one that too against a weak WI where they ran out steam and could not force a win. They for some reason cannot put togther a complete match , they simply run of gas in one innings.I do not know how they are going develop that skill .Yadav was unlucky and did bowl very well but he took 8 wickets after playing all five tests.He has one 5fer.He is 29 and already showing signs of slowing down.When will these guys learn to take wickets. Straight Drive and GautiMaan 2 Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 I agree on that. Our pacers are short on performance. They struggle to take 5 fers as frequently as bowlers of other teams.It would be interesting to see data of how many 5 fers our pacers have taken in last 100 bowling innings. Sent from my ASUS_Z00LD using Tapatalk Link to comment
renjith Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 On 06/02/2017 at 6:22 PM, rkt.india said: Strength training doesn't help in increasing pace much. It helps you sustain that pace for longer periods. Pace comes from your run-up and bowling action. Strength doesn't translate into pace all the time. I agree that strength alone does not produce speed. But a physically weak bowler who already have a smooth run up and action can increase his speed by around 5k just by improving his physical strength. Strength helps to get the optimum output from the different aspects of bowling that contributes to speed. For example if you have a stronger lower body your run-up and leap will produce more momentum. You will not loss balance on landing helping you to pass maximum amount of momentum from your run-up and leap onto upper body. From there on the more stronger your core and shoulders are the more power you can generate through hip rotation and body twisting as well as use of left arm. Generally speaking strength training is an important thing if someone is trying to increase his speed. Ofcourse the bowler must have an optimal run up and action to reap the benifits of strength. Link to comment
msplash9 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 (edited) Any info on this guy ? He is in the auction too Quote Khejroliya, a left-arm seamer, was included as cover for Ashish Nehra, who has consented to play three matches: against Tamil Nadu, Maharashtra and Uttar Pradesh. Nehra is part of the attack that is being prepared for the Champions Trophy in England in June. On Khejroliya, Bhaskar said: “He is quick. His pace can be an asset.” Khejroliya, who is not a local talent, had been in the scheme of things from the start of the season but was not picked because of domicile issues. The left-arm seamer was scheduled to make his First Class debut for Delhi but could not furnish a local address to be able to meet the qualification norms set by the Delhi and District Cricket Association. The selectors named him in the squad after he furnished the necessary documents to support his local domicile. http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-sports/Unmukt-Chand-left-out-of-Hazare-squad/article17316623.ece Quote The additional member of the squad is a rookie left-arm speedster Kulwant Khejroliya, who recently was seen bowling at a brisk pace at the Delhi Daredevils nets. Kulwant will travel with the team and if need be played a List A match. http://indianexpress.com/article/sports/cricket/unmukt-chand-axed-from-delhis-vijay-hazare-squad-ashish-nehra-to-play-three-games-4528315/ Edited February 17, 2017 by msplash9 Mosher and express bowling 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 1 hour ago, sarchasm said: Nehra is being prepared for Champions trophy? What rubbish! They are mixing formats Link to comment
maniac Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 (edited) How quick is Saini...listed as Right Arm Medium? Edited February 17, 2017 by maniac Link to comment
rkt.india Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 (edited) 41 minutes ago, maniac said: How quick is Saini...listed as Right Arm Medium? all Indian pacers at the start are listed as * arm medium. Even Basil Thampi is listed as right arm medium. Edited February 17, 2017 by rkt.india Link to comment
express bowling Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, rkt.india said: all Indian pacers at the start are listed as * arm medium. Even Basil Thampi is listed as right arm medium. Even Jasprit Bumrah is shown as medium and Pandya is medium-fast in espncricinfo Umesh and Shami are both shown as fast-medium Edited February 17, 2017 by express bowling Rightarmfast 1 Link to comment
maniac Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, rkt.india said: all Indian pacers at the start are listed as * arm medium. Even Basil Thampi is listed as right arm medium. True.....only Aaron I believe is listed as Right Arm Fast. Link to comment
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