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    rangeelaraja got a reaction from sorak in Gyanvapi mosque in Kashi - whats going on?   
    Yeah, live in your bubble in cuckooland.
     
    This renaissance of Hinduism and Hindutva and reclaiming ( within our own nation ) our own past and true history is essential to push back against the cancer within the country that dreams of creating another Pakistan from within India.
     
    Those forces are backed politically.
     
    And what is going on is an attempt to do a 180  degrees on minority appeasement. —-to majority appeasement and consolidating the Hindu vote bank for once and for decades and decades to come. 
     
    To a point where… if you don’t appease Hindus and the Sanatan Dharma , you get wiped out in elections. 
     
    In the next few years, most opposition parties who play fake secularism politics and appeasement politics will be be forced to do Hindu appeasement…. When the state of national politics becomes such that …if you don’t appease Hindus and the Sanatan Dharma , you get wiped out in elections. 

    Once that happens the cancer within the country that finds heroes in Central Asian tyrants who invaded India .. will start to die .. because their political masters cannot afford to support them anymore.
     
    This cancer will be isolated and killed as it must. 
     
    India will not be divided again,  India’s flag, India’s constitution, India’s civilization is zillion times more important than followers of a cancerous desert cult in India. 
     
     

     
     
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    rangeelaraja got a reaction from f20143g70 in Gyanvapi mosque in Kashi - whats going on?   
    Ashfaq / Ashraf / Ashrafullah     - whatever your real name is.....democracy is also there to correct historical wrongs that have been done with the majority.
     
    Babri masjid was not actively used for prayers, yet in a 80 % Hindu majority country, at the most sacred site of Hinduism the peacefuls had no sensitivity towards this fact, infact they had the KHUJLI to pretend as if Babur was some sufi saint not a barbaric invader.
     
    How would muslims react if a mandir was planted on the Kabbah site after bulldozing it ?
     
    The million dollar question for all muslims who love secularism when they are in minority is -
     
    Pray..what kind of secularism is displayed in the the holy book that divides the world info believers and non- believers, says the non-believers will roast in hell, convert non-believers or make them pay Jizya.....What kind of secularism is this ?
     
    It is a ironic that while Islam is inherently unsecular, peacefuls talk about secularism from the rooftops wherever they are a minority.
     
    Everyone of the manmade Abrahamic religions including Islam ...has a "start date",  the story is the same always.... there was a chosen "prophet" who was made the messenger of god and revelations were made. 
     
    None of the scriptures  have ever been able to trace the origins of Sanatana Dharma....when it originated.  It is timeless, it has existed forever...just like the universe. 
     
    Sanatana Dhrama is  the only "true" way of life,  unlike some man made frauds done a few 1000 -2000 years back. 
     
     
     
     
     
  3. Haha
    rangeelaraja got a reaction from raki05 in Gyanvapi mosque in Kashi - whats going on?   
    Where have I " abused"  the quran. ? I have only quoted verses that discriminate against non-muslims and talk all sorts of nasty things about them.
     
    Does that sound like an " abuse" to you, fruitcake ?
  4. Troll
    rangeelaraja reacted to ash in Gyanvapi mosque in Kashi - whats going on?   
    lol. RW tactics is just to assume what the other person’s ideology is and attack them, instead of arguing with facts.
     
    Marxist, LTTE sympathisers and now apparently I am a Muslim. Lol. 
     
    You can quote quoran and abuse it as much as you want, I am an atheist so I would enjoy it. But I also have the common sense to understand that I can dig deep into Hindu literature and find the same kind of problematic statements. I consider all Holy Books be it Vedas or Bible or Quoran as same. A bunch of guidelines written by men 1000s of years ago to suit their time, which mankind is foolish enough to follow even now. 
  5. Troll
    rangeelaraja got a reaction from ash in Gyanvapi mosque in Kashi - whats going on?   
    Ashfaq / Ashraf / Ashrafullah     - whatever your real name is.....democracy is also there to correct historical wrongs that have been done with the majority.
     
    Babri masjid was not actively used for prayers, yet in a 80 % Hindu majority country, at the most sacred site of Hinduism the peacefuls had no sensitivity towards this fact, infact they had the KHUJLI to pretend as if Babur was some sufi saint not a barbaric invader.
     
    How would muslims react if a mandir was planted on the Kabbah site after bulldozing it ?
     
    The million dollar question for all muslims who love secularism when they are in minority is -
     
    Pray..what kind of secularism is displayed in the the holy book that divides the world info believers and non- believers, says the non-believers will roast in hell, convert non-believers or make them pay Jizya.....What kind of secularism is this ?
     
    It is a ironic that while Islam is inherently unsecular, peacefuls talk about secularism from the rooftops wherever they are a minority.
     
    Everyone of the manmade Abrahamic religions including Islam ...has a "start date",  the story is the same always.... there was a chosen "prophet" who was made the messenger of god and revelations were made. 
     
    None of the scriptures  have ever been able to trace the origins of Sanatana Dharma....when it originated.  It is timeless, it has existed forever...just like the universe. 
     
    Sanatana Dhrama is  the only "true" way of life,  unlike some man made frauds done a few 1000 -2000 years back. 
     
     
     
     
     
  6. Upvote
    rangeelaraja got a reaction from sandeep in Gyanvapi mosque in Kashi - whats going on?   
    India is a civilizational state which is the binding factor - not a purely religious state.
     
    I hope you know what a civilizational state means.
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    rangeelaraja got a reaction from dial_100 in Gyanvapi mosque in Kashi - whats going on?   
    Yeah, live in your bubble in cuckooland.
     
    This renaissance of Hinduism and Hindutva and reclaiming ( within our own nation ) our own past and true history is essential to push back against the cancer within the country that dreams of creating another Pakistan from within India.
     
    Those forces are backed politically.
     
    And what is going on is an attempt to do a 180  degrees on minority appeasement. —-to majority appeasement and consolidating the Hindu vote bank for once and for decades and decades to come. 
     
    To a point where… if you don’t appease Hindus and the Sanatan Dharma , you get wiped out in elections. 
     
    In the next few years, most opposition parties who play fake secularism politics and appeasement politics will be be forced to do Hindu appeasement…. When the state of national politics becomes such that …if you don’t appease Hindus and the Sanatan Dharma , you get wiped out in elections. 

    Once that happens the cancer within the country that finds heroes in Central Asian tyrants who invaded India .. will start to die .. because their political masters cannot afford to support them anymore.
     
    This cancer will be isolated and killed as it must. 
     
    India will not be divided again,  India’s flag, India’s constitution, India’s civilization is zillion times more important than followers of a cancerous desert cult in India. 
     
     

     
     
  8. Like
    rangeelaraja got a reaction from dial_100 in Gyanvapi mosque in Kashi - whats going on?   
    Sorry you don’t make any sense.
     
    One has got to be sick and perverted to celebrate “victors” who brutalize your ancestors and forcibly convert them.
     
    Aurangazeb beheaded Guru Tegh Bahadur Singh. No Sikh celebrates Aurangazeb because Guru Tegh was a revered figure who fought to protect Hinduism and Sikhism. 
     
    It’s only the sick peacefuls who celebrate such “victors”. 
  9. Like
    rangeelaraja got a reaction from dial_100 in Gyanvapi mosque in Kashi - whats going on?   
    While the entire subcontinent was Hindu -- why is it that the oldest Hindu temples are found almost exclusively in South India ? 
     
    Thats because Mughal rule for the longest time was in north and central india - not in South India. and Tyrant invaders like Babur and Aurangazeb razed several of the most revered Hindu places of worship in North India.
     
    By one account more than 30,000 temples in North India were razed and mosques were built on top of them 
     
    These evidences are going to keep coming up. They were not allowed to come out to main "communal harmony "  in the country previously.
     
    Sadly, the fast majority of muslim population in India considers these barbaric central asian invaders as heroes ( in this regard they are no different than greenbros )
     
    Any attempt to villainize barbaric Mughal tyrants who razed 1000s of Indian temples is seen as "unsecular"  and "anti-minority" in our country.
     
    That rogue from Hyderabad Akbaruddin Owaisi, recently paid great tributes to Aurangazeb in a visit to his tomb in Aurangabad. It is a shame that we still have the city named after him. 
     
    https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/akbaruddin-owaisi-faces-flak-for-visiting-aurangzeb-tomb-in-aurangabad-7914525/
     
     
     
  10. Like
    rangeelaraja got a reaction from Yoda-esque in Gyanvapi mosque in Kashi - whats going on?   
    Yeah, live in your bubble in cuckooland.
     
    This renaissance of Hinduism and Hindutva and reclaiming ( within our own nation ) our own past and true history is essential to push back against the cancer within the country that dreams of creating another Pakistan from within India.
     
    Those forces are backed politically.
     
    And what is going on is an attempt to do a 180  degrees on minority appeasement. —-to majority appeasement and consolidating the Hindu vote bank for once and for decades and decades to come. 
     
    To a point where… if you don’t appease Hindus and the Sanatan Dharma , you get wiped out in elections. 
     
    In the next few years, most opposition parties who play fake secularism politics and appeasement politics will be be forced to do Hindu appeasement…. When the state of national politics becomes such that …if you don’t appease Hindus and the Sanatan Dharma , you get wiped out in elections. 

    Once that happens the cancer within the country that finds heroes in Central Asian tyrants who invaded India .. will start to die .. because their political masters cannot afford to support them anymore.
     
    This cancer will be isolated and killed as it must. 
     
    India will not be divided again,  India’s flag, India’s constitution, India’s civilization is zillion times more important than followers of a cancerous desert cult in India. 
     
     

     
     
  11. Upvote
    rangeelaraja got a reaction from mishra in Gyanvapi mosque in Kashi - whats going on?   
    Yeah, live in your bubble in cuckooland.
     
    This renaissance of Hinduism and Hindutva and reclaiming ( within our own nation ) our own past and true history is essential to push back against the cancer within the country that dreams of creating another Pakistan from within India.
     
    Those forces are backed politically.
     
    And what is going on is an attempt to do a 180  degrees on minority appeasement. —-to majority appeasement and consolidating the Hindu vote bank for once and for decades and decades to come. 
     
    To a point where… if you don’t appease Hindus and the Sanatan Dharma , you get wiped out in elections. 
     
    In the next few years, most opposition parties who play fake secularism politics and appeasement politics will be be forced to do Hindu appeasement…. When the state of national politics becomes such that …if you don’t appease Hindus and the Sanatan Dharma , you get wiped out in elections. 

    Once that happens the cancer within the country that finds heroes in Central Asian tyrants who invaded India .. will start to die .. because their political masters cannot afford to support them anymore.
     
    This cancer will be isolated and killed as it must. 
     
    India will not be divided again,  India’s flag, India’s constitution, India’s civilization is zillion times more important than followers of a cancerous desert cult in India. 
     
     

     
     
  12. Great Post
    rangeelaraja got a reaction from ravishingravi in Gyanvapi mosque in Kashi - whats going on?   
    Yeah, live in your bubble in cuckooland.
     
    This renaissance of Hinduism and Hindutva and reclaiming ( within our own nation ) our own past and true history is essential to push back against the cancer within the country that dreams of creating another Pakistan from within India.
     
    Those forces are backed politically.
     
    And what is going on is an attempt to do a 180  degrees on minority appeasement. —-to majority appeasement and consolidating the Hindu vote bank for once and for decades and decades to come. 
     
    To a point where… if you don’t appease Hindus and the Sanatan Dharma , you get wiped out in elections. 
     
    In the next few years, most opposition parties who play fake secularism politics and appeasement politics will be be forced to do Hindu appeasement…. When the state of national politics becomes such that …if you don’t appease Hindus and the Sanatan Dharma , you get wiped out in elections. 

    Once that happens the cancer within the country that finds heroes in Central Asian tyrants who invaded India .. will start to die .. because their political masters cannot afford to support them anymore.
     
    This cancer will be isolated and killed as it must. 
     
    India will not be divided again,  India’s flag, India’s constitution, India’s civilization is zillion times more important than followers of a cancerous desert cult in India. 
     
     

     
     
  13. Upvote
    rangeelaraja got a reaction from beetle in Gyanvapi mosque in Kashi - whats going on?   
    While the entire subcontinent was Hindu -- why is it that the oldest Hindu temples are found almost exclusively in South India ? 
     
    Thats because Mughal rule for the longest time was in north and central india - not in South India. and Tyrant invaders like Babur and Aurangazeb razed several of the most revered Hindu places of worship in North India.
     
    By one account more than 30,000 temples in North India were razed and mosques were built on top of them 
     
    These evidences are going to keep coming up. They were not allowed to come out to main "communal harmony "  in the country previously.
     
    Sadly, the fast majority of muslim population in India considers these barbaric central asian invaders as heroes ( in this regard they are no different than greenbros )
     
    Any attempt to villainize barbaric Mughal tyrants who razed 1000s of Indian temples is seen as "unsecular"  and "anti-minority" in our country.
     
    That rogue from Hyderabad Akbaruddin Owaisi, recently paid great tributes to Aurangazeb in a visit to his tomb in Aurangabad. It is a shame that we still have the city named after him. 
     
    https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/akbaruddin-owaisi-faces-flak-for-visiting-aurangzeb-tomb-in-aurangabad-7914525/
     
     
     
  14. Like
    rangeelaraja got a reaction from Clarke in Gyanvapi mosque in Kashi - whats going on?   
    Sorry you don’t make any sense.
     
    One has got to be sick and perverted to celebrate “victors” who brutalize your ancestors and forcibly convert them.
     
    Aurangazeb beheaded Guru Tegh Bahadur Singh. No Sikh celebrates Aurangazeb because Guru Tegh was a revered figure who fought to protect Hinduism and Sikhism. 
     
    It’s only the sick peacefuls who celebrate such “victors”. 
  15. Upvote
    rangeelaraja got a reaction from EnterTheVoid in Gyanvapi mosque in Kashi - whats going on?   
    Sorry you don’t make any sense.
     
    One has got to be sick and perverted to celebrate “victors” who brutalize your ancestors and forcibly convert them.
     
    Aurangazeb beheaded Guru Tegh Bahadur Singh. No Sikh celebrates Aurangazeb because Guru Tegh was a revered figure who fought to protect Hinduism and Sikhism. 
     
    It’s only the sick peacefuls who celebrate such “victors”. 
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    rangeelaraja got a reaction from ravishingravi in India inching closer to being a top 5 global exporter - WORLD BANK UPDATE.   
    You are mixing nominal growth with real growth. 
     
    10 -11 % nominal growth for India is par for course with about 4-5 % inflation.
     
    If INR does not depreciate much against the USD.... apply rule of 72 to see when doubling happens..... 72/10.  In 7 years nominal GDP should double for India  at the bare minimum.
     
    Which means we get to about $ 7T in 2029 and $ 7.5T  in 2030.
     
    The key is a strong INR.  If there is massive demand to invest in India over the next few years....INR could appreciate against the USD and we could see much higher GDP figures.
     
     
     
     
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    rangeelaraja got a reaction from ravishingravi in India inching closer to being a top 5 global exporter - WORLD BANK UPDATE.   
    India will cross $1 trillion dollars exports within the next 4 years.
     
    Reasons:
     
    1) China has lot the cost advantage,  companies also want to diversify away from China.   India will benefit from it partially sharing the spoils with Vietnam, Indonesia and Bangladesh
     
    2) I see alot of online- marketplace businesses flourishing over the internet where Indian service providers get paid by foreign customers for services especially in the field of education, taxation, accounting and other outsourced  activities.  I am most optimistic about this industry.
     
    3) Indian indigenous automobile firms like Mahindra, TATA are getting close to international standard and growing in exports.
     
    4) Productivity/Yield in farming will rise steadily.
     
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    rangeelaraja got a reaction from sandeep in India inching closer to being a top 5 global exporter - WORLD BANK UPDATE.   
    https://dutchreview.com/culture/innovation/second-largest-agriculture-exporter/
     
     
    Netherlands exports nearly $100B of agricultural products itself.
     
    It’s agri export market is Europe obviously.
     
    If India neighbored Western Europe we would be exporting  multiples of that.
     
    Geography matters. 

    Also for a tiny size Netherlands has ridiculous levels of productivity in farming - they produce and export highest margin products.
     
    Most of India’s farmlands are occupied for our own food security - stable foods like wheat, rice, pulses ..etc.
     
    India can certainly amp up productivity many times - but there too we have problems - too many farmers who own little parcels of land . 
     
     
  19. Upvote
    rangeelaraja got a reaction from AuxiliA in India inching closer to being a top 5 global exporter - WORLD BANK UPDATE.   
    India's export growths in services has been excellent.
     
    India has not fully taken advantage of globalization like China has - but India likely be #4 on this list in the next 5 years, crossing Japan and certainly in top 3 in the next 10 years.
     
     
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_exports
     
    List by World Bank[edit]
    This is a list of countries by exports of goods and services, based on World Bank's data.[1][2]
    Rank Country Exports
    (millions of $) % of GDP Year   World 22,506,809.01 26.1% 2020 1  China 3,332,365.10 18.5% 2021 2  United States 2,134,445.00 10.2% 2020 3  Germany 1,673,705.66 43.4% 2020 4  Japan 793,322.84 15.5% 2020 5  United Kingdom 777,108.85 27.9% 2020 6  France 759,609.68 27.9% 2020 7  Netherlands 711,690.63 77.9% 2021 8  India 669,650.95 20.6% 2021 9  Hong Kong 612,609.65 176.7% 2020 10  South Korea 606,710.10 36.4% 2020 11  Singapore 599,198.18 176.2% 2020 12  Ireland 559,371.07 131.1% 2020 13  Italy 556,454.77 29.4% 2020 14  Canada 477,087.42 29.0% 2020 15   Switzerland 468,740.75 62.3% 2020 16  Mexico 434,178.94 40.2% 2020 17  Belgium 417,521.41 80.0% 2020 18  Spain 392,806.18 30.6% 2020 19  Russia 380,410.98 25.5% 2020 20  Poland 336,317.00 56.2% 2020 21  Iran 43,000.40 22.9% 2021 22  Australia 300,763.61 24.0% 2020 23  Vietnam 290,229.00 105.5% 2020
  20. Haha
    rangeelaraja got a reaction from speedheat in India inching closer to being a top 5 global exporter - WORLD BANK UPDATE.   
    India's export growths in services has been excellent.
     
    India has not fully taken advantage of globalization like China has - but India likely be #4 on this list in the next 5 years, crossing Japan and certainly in top 3 in the next 10 years.
     
     
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_exports
     
    List by World Bank[edit]
    This is a list of countries by exports of goods and services, based on World Bank's data.[1][2]
    Rank Country Exports
    (millions of $) % of GDP Year   World 22,506,809.01 26.1% 2020 1  China 3,332,365.10 18.5% 2021 2  United States 2,134,445.00 10.2% 2020 3  Germany 1,673,705.66 43.4% 2020 4  Japan 793,322.84 15.5% 2020 5  United Kingdom 777,108.85 27.9% 2020 6  France 759,609.68 27.9% 2020 7  Netherlands 711,690.63 77.9% 2021 8  India 669,650.95 20.6% 2021 9  Hong Kong 612,609.65 176.7% 2020 10  South Korea 606,710.10 36.4% 2020 11  Singapore 599,198.18 176.2% 2020 12  Ireland 559,371.07 131.1% 2020 13  Italy 556,454.77 29.4% 2020 14  Canada 477,087.42 29.0% 2020 15   Switzerland 468,740.75 62.3% 2020 16  Mexico 434,178.94 40.2% 2020 17  Belgium 417,521.41 80.0% 2020 18  Spain 392,806.18 30.6% 2020 19  Russia 380,410.98 25.5% 2020 20  Poland 336,317.00 56.2% 2020 21  Iran 43,000.40 22.9% 2021 22  Australia 300,763.61 24.0% 2020 23  Vietnam 290,229.00 105.5% 2020
  21. Upvote
    rangeelaraja got a reaction from Suhaan in India inching closer to being a top 5 global exporter - WORLD BANK UPDATE.   
    India's export growths in services has been excellent.
     
    India has not fully taken advantage of globalization like China has - but India likely be #4 on this list in the next 5 years, crossing Japan and certainly in top 3 in the next 10 years.
     
     
     
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_exports
     
    List by World Bank[edit]
    This is a list of countries by exports of goods and services, based on World Bank's data.[1][2]
    Rank Country Exports
    (millions of $) % of GDP Year   World 22,506,809.01 26.1% 2020 1  China 3,332,365.10 18.5% 2021 2  United States 2,134,445.00 10.2% 2020 3  Germany 1,673,705.66 43.4% 2020 4  Japan 793,322.84 15.5% 2020 5  United Kingdom 777,108.85 27.9% 2020 6  France 759,609.68 27.9% 2020 7  Netherlands 711,690.63 77.9% 2021 8  India 669,650.95 20.6% 2021 9  Hong Kong 612,609.65 176.7% 2020 10  South Korea 606,710.10 36.4% 2020 11  Singapore 599,198.18 176.2% 2020 12  Ireland 559,371.07 131.1% 2020 13  Italy 556,454.77 29.4% 2020 14  Canada 477,087.42 29.0% 2020 15   Switzerland 468,740.75 62.3% 2020 16  Mexico 434,178.94 40.2% 2020 17  Belgium 417,521.41 80.0% 2020 18  Spain 392,806.18 30.6% 2020 19  Russia 380,410.98 25.5% 2020 20  Poland 336,317.00 56.2% 2020 21  Iran 43,000.40 22.9% 2021 22  Australia 300,763.61 24.0% 2020 23  Vietnam 290,229.00 105.5% 2020
  22. Great Post
    rangeelaraja got a reaction from mishra in Muslim appeasement in India - myth or truth?   
    Dr. Anand beautiful exposes in 2 minutes  the SHAMELESSLY HYPOCRITE appeasement in India by some political parties. 
     
    Again the inherent problem is not the people  the root cause is that Islam is not meant to coexist with other religions. 
     
    We hear Islamophobia a million times but the book that preaches Islam calls non- Muslims as Kaffirs in a derogatory fashion, talks about how they will suffer in hell…etc etc. what sort of phobia is this then ? 
     
    Moderate Muslims don’t even have the honesty to bring this up. 

    Because it would be blasphemy…. And according to the book there is only
    One punishment for blasphemy ….. ah but but but this is a religion of peace … or how it is marketed. 
     
     
     
  23. Upvote
    rangeelaraja got a reaction from raki05 in President rule in Bengal, need of the hour!!   
    Sorry, you are are missing a lot of the reality.
     
    She has created an environment of fear and terror - culture, language etc does not matter when people who campaign for BJP are killed in broad day light and the local police does nothing. Absolutely nothing. 
     
    Did you see how they bullied the Vice chancellor of a major university ? The sheer audacity in inflicting terror in broad daylight is staggering. 
     
    Did you know thousands of panchayat seats went uncontested against TMC out of sheer fear ? 
     
    The rate at which demography  is changing in Bengal - she is creating another Kashmir. 
     
    Sorry, but TMC workers who are responsible for the condition of the stage have to be eliminated extra judicially - by the 100s. 
     
    The thought of those  people burnt alive by TMC goons still haunts me. These are not even humans. Hope Mamata dies the most miserable and gruesome painful death. 
     
    She is the worst form of evil incarnate.
  24. Great Post
    rangeelaraja got a reaction from AuxiliA in Muslim appeasement in India - myth or truth?   
    Dr. Anand beautiful exposes in 2 minutes  the SHAMELESSLY HYPOCRITE appeasement in India by some political parties. 
     
    Again the inherent problem is not the people  the root cause is that Islam is not meant to coexist with other religions. 
     
    We hear Islamophobia a million times but the book that preaches Islam calls non- Muslims as Kaffirs in a derogatory fashion, talks about how they will suffer in hell…etc etc. what sort of phobia is this then ? 
     
    Moderate Muslims don’t even have the honesty to bring this up. 

    Because it would be blasphemy…. And according to the book there is only
    One punishment for blasphemy ….. ah but but but this is a religion of peace … or how it is marketed. 
     
     
     
  25. Upvote
    rangeelaraja got a reaction from mishra in PM Imran Khan urges youth to hold countrywide protests against ‘foreign conspiracy’   
    IM the DIM  is a narcissist of the highest order.  He will sell his country if that makes him appear like a "leader".
     
    Watch the 1992 world cup final presentation ceremony.
     
    Not once - not even once did he thank his team for their performance. His entire speech was about himself and his dreams of building a hospital. It tells you about the man - he wants to be constantly seen as some sort of messiah, leader. 
     
    He will be the last PM of Pakistan as we know of it.  
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