War is coming

[diga]

7 hours ago, bharathh said:

I feel this Ukraine thing is being blown out of proportion by the US and allies. Too much fear mongering. Looks like Biden wants a war with Russia to manifest. 

Russia withdraws some of the troops back to their base ... what kind of a chess move is this?

[HamHindustani]

10 hours ago, bharathh said:

I feel this Ukraine thing is being blown out of proportion by the US and allies. Too much fear mongering. Looks like Biden wants a war with Russia to manifest. 

Biden wants Russia and Germany partnership to fail or stall. If Eurasia collaborate, US being a superpower will be history.

Has to be seen how far can Biden go

[mishra]

1 hour ago, HamHindustani said:

Biden wants Russia and Germany partnership to fail or stall. If Eurasia collaborate, US being a superpower will be history.

Has to be seen how far can Biden go

Have you read calculus in maths. First chapter on it is limits. World order after worl war 2 has been created on that principle where limit (any  country —-> American might). So no one can compare to America unless America itself eff up.

[rangeelaraja]

12 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

We are fecking indians ,we should be the last ones calling anyone filthy lol

 

 

You are an Indian only in your imagination and dreams.  Those filthy yellow men you worship consider testicles and penises of the most deplorable moving creatures on the planet as "delicacies" 

 

Racoons, Bats, Dogs ...every thing is apparently a "delicacy" for your filthy yellow masters.  The filthier the animal the better the delicacy. LOL.

 

 

[rangeelaraja]

On 2/13/2022 at 10:10 PM, Lone Wolf said:

The West is on a steady decline & there's a conscious effort to undermine both India & China's rise.  Deep state in US & West is heavily anti India. 

Indian policy makers have known it for years..  Therefore there's always an effort to deal with China as a single force & also keep diplomatic options open at any cost. 

Western nightmare is by 2030's India will be too bigger a fish to push around & China ultimately will have to come to terms with us. 

 

Sorry, I don't think you are correct on this one.

 

China of today is atleast 20-25 years ahead of India in terms of comprehensive national power.

 

They have exhibited global hegemonic ambitions way before they became the force that they are today, even when their national strength was less than our current national strength.

 

We are not seen as hegemonic outside the confines of South Asia, atleast we have not telegraphed it until now.

 

The West does not see India as a threat.

 

You can only be seen as a threat to the west  when you have atleast 1 or more of the below qualities :

 

1) Enormous advanced industrial capacity

2) An entirely independent and dynamic& advanced  domestic defense industry

3) Leverage in global trade.

 

China has all 1,2 3 we have none as of now. 

 

Russia has 2.

 

Edited February 15, 2022 by rangeelaraja

[rangeelaraja]

14 hours ago, diga said:

Russia withdraws some of the troops back to their base ... what kind of a chess move is this?

 

 

It is a brilliant move. It is meant to trigger Xi Pinpong. 

 

It will end up triggering the arrogant  Xi Pinpong. It is Russia telling Xi, you don't have the balls to lay a finger on Taiwan after all your bravado and look how we can harass the might of NATO. We took Crimea, we can run over Ukraine as we like and NATO can only watch. And mind you Ukraine has the largest standing army in Europe ( more than quarter million troops ). 

 

Misjudging the "weak" NATO response to protect a willing "ally" ,  PinPong will attempt a military adventure against Taiwan..which will get the combined might of multiple US battle groups, Japan, Australia, UK and probably France.

 

Slew of punishing sanctions by EU, US and what not.

 

For Japan, Taiwan is a first line of defence  against China, because if Taiwan falls, Japan's chain of islands in the south become extremely vulnerable to Chinese aggression.

 

This is what Putin wants, focus away from Russia towards China.

 

RUSSIA DOES NOT LIKE CHINA, it is forced to embrace China because of Western sanctions.

 

Putin knows too well that Pingpong is a hegemonic SOB and China can never be friends, it just wants vassal states who can pay their obeisances to CCP and Pinpong.

[HamHindustani]

11 hours ago, mishra said:

Have you read calculus in maths. First chapter on it is limits. World order after worl war 2 has been created on that principle where limit (any  country —-> American might). So no one can compare to America unless America itself eff up.

to  maintain that limit, US is interfering between Germany and Russia. Read about Nord stream gas pipeline and its long term implications on German Russian friendship and why US will feel left out from Europe in the long term

[rangeelaraja]

9 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

You want to be some renegade who wants to topple the ping empire! Who wants to battle the Chinese ?they all want to do business with them but on more agreeable terms.

 

Which world do you live in my friend ?

 

Alot of significant countries in the world - Japan, India, Taiwan, Vietnam, Australia and the mighty US would like to topple that rogue Chinese dictator Pingpong  for life and dismantle CCP. Are they “renegades” ?

 

China is a revisionist power. Trying to be a neo colonial power. Claiming vast swathes of common waters as its personal pond ( when was the last time a nation state make the claim that an entire water body is its maritime property ??) 
 

It is the sheer stupidity of the West that it is focussed on Russia. But it will change soon.

CCP is just one military adventure away against Taiwan from tasting the collective might of the indo pacific to overthrow that pig faced Ping Pong. 

 

 

 

 

[mishra]

On 2/16/2022 at 3:09 AM, HamHindustani said:

to  maintain that limit, US is interfering between Germany and Russia. Read about Nord stream gas pipeline and its long term implications on German Russian friendship and why US will feel left out from Europe in the long term

No it isn't. In a ideal world, Ukraine should be free to choose its destiny even if its joining NATO? But it lives along a neighbor called Russia which has its own Security Calculations.

 

BTW, I am not sure about US, but in UK, last year Huawei was selling big list of products along with Apple ,Samsung, Dell, Lenovo and so on to UK consumers. Suddenly Chinese brands have gone either entirely missing or limited on Tech product shops.

 

Soon, amazon and ebay will be told to fix their way. Chinese as we see it vis a vis to US will be done in next 5 years. Now, pressure on Nord Stream gas pipeline is just small fraction of small fraction how world order works

[mishra]

^ First you get chucked off US economy, then Western economy, then developing economies. Meaning, balls get squeezed. Read, Indian taxmen are raiding offices of Chinese Tech Giants like Huawei, Xiomi and so on and new regulations coming.

Let me put it in very simple words: The way a country earns money is buying selling its products to America. The day US decides it wont buy from you, you start living on borrowed time till your savings get impacted. This is mother of all economics in current world order

Edited February 17, 2022 by mishra

[rangeelaraja]

1 hour ago, MultiB48 said:

Other than usa and india ,rest have signed free trade agreements with china

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Comprehensive_Economic_Partnership

 

 

 

 

Nothing wrong with that ,you got to elbow your way up,might be upsetting for some Indians but it is
what it is and if they fail and collapse then they can always open up be subservient to the west ,whats there to lose for
them ?

 

Yes, japan, taiwan, Australia signed FTA with China because they are amongst the rare countries with a trade relationship where China has a huge trade deficit and will continue to have so.

 

This is unlike India and US, which did not sign FTA with China.

 

And just because some countries signed a FTA does not mean they would not like to see the demise of CCP and China in its current form. 

 

Which country would not have a problem with a rogue hegemonic state like China/CCP that is constantly laying claims on its neighbourhoods territories and global commons ? 

 

Are you living in some effing alternative galaxy ? For once talk sense. 

 

Edited February 17, 2022 by rangeelaraja

[rangeelaraja]

2 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

 

If usa can invade countries ,have bases all over the world and still be a force for good then so can China ...i dont see what the big deal is .

 

 

Ofcourse, if you are a CCP worshipping traitor who claims to be Indian, anything that China does will seem legitimate.

 

It is a different matter that US is an immigrant's country, where a black, white, asian, Arab....etc anyone can rise to the top based on merit. There is rule of law within the country.

 

The govt and leader can be criticized endlessly and by the weakest in the society for bad decisions and there is independent media.

 

Unlike a rogue China like country where there is SOB dictator and the party is above law and judiciary and the media is a puppet dog of the govt/party . Criticize the govt/party  and you disappear forever. 

 

Why don't you get your backside in that country if you admire it so much comarade ? 

 

It is a different matter that US has bases but does not claim them has its territory like the filthy CCP pigs try to do with South China sea.

 

Many countries including China, Taiwan have prospered because of the US led rules based order.  

 

A China led order ( which is never ever happen by the way ) ...will only benefit China.

 

The sooner China ceases to exist in its current form, the better for the world.  And it will happen well within the next 15 years.

 

 

 

Edited February 17, 2022 by rangeelaraja

[rangeelaraja]

2 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

Massive amounts of territories and resources have been taken over by Europeans ,so they can afford to throw a few crumbs without being threatened .West still invades Muslim and African countries to install their puppets and control their politics ,finances and stall their development and it's acceptable because they filter in a few immigrants,it's sick .It would be like someone killing you off and taking over your property and then making your family work on their farms and them being thankful for it.

 

China by comparison is not as successful. If China or anyone else takes over Europe ,Australia,Canada and Usa ,kills off their inhabitants and then consolidates their dominance , then they too could later throw out a few crumbs at the rest to cleanse themselves . 

 

 

 

 

Two wrongs do not make a right.  The Western colonial era is a by gone, what they have done does not justify what China has been attempting to do.

 

Nobody wants neo-colonialism.

 

No patriotic Indian will be a constant apologist for a rogue communist state like China that is eyeing Indian territory and the territory of all its other neighbors. 

 

 Your mask is already off.

 

 

[rangeelaraja]

7 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

It's ended in places like America, Canada where the conquest is complete ,but in places like Africa , Middle East , and on the seas like in the South China sea ,they are still fighting to dominate.

 

With all due respect, I've repeated this before  -  do 2 wrongs make a right ? 

 

Being a shameless apologist maggot for China is a typical of CPI traitors, who sit in India but do the bidding for China.

 

If you are indeed Indian, you are being allowed to praise the rogue CCP regime sitting in India, because it is India.

 

Try praising the enemy in the webspace in China. 

[Lone Wolf]

If Russia merges Belarus and Ukraine with itself, that means Russia returning to 80~85% of old glory, without the baggage of communism.

USA has till now tried to use India as a whip dog against China. Current dispenstion has rightly not taken the bait to a great extent.

If India plays a well balancing game, US out of desperation will be forced to give substantial favours and not just use and throw us.

A favourable trade deal, not dictating economic policies favourable to US MNC's, less interfence in our internal especially religious and demography related issues, weapon systems that we want not that which they want to force down our throat and some infra investments in India will do it.

Meanwhile as of now with popcorn in hands wishing best of luck to Russia.

[rangeelaraja]

2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

If Russia merges Belarus and Ukraine with itself, that means Russia returning to 80~85% of old glory, without the baggage of communism.

USA has till now tried to use India as a whip dog against China. Current dispenstion has rightly not taken the bait to a great extent.

If India plays a well balancing game, US out of desperation will be forced to give substantial favours and not just use and throw us.

A favourable trade deal, not dictating economic policies favourable to US MNC's, less interfence in our internal especially religious and demography related issues, weapon systems that we want not that which they want to force down our throat and some infra investments in India will do it.

Meanwhile as of now with popcorn in hands wishing best of luck to Russia.

US MNCs especially big tech are greedy almost treasonous snakes. They are not to either the govt nor the deep state. They are only tied to shareholder interests and the market in China.  They will demand perfectionist democracy and privacy rights in the rest of the world while bending over backwards and throwing away the rule book to access Chinese markets.

 

The day big US and Western MNCs decide to pull the manufacturing plug from China in a fast and coordinated manner at the cost of short and medium term stock prices - China will face immense internal turmoil and pressure on CCP.

 

It is the largely the greedy global MNCs that have made China the economy that it is today and it is the they only that can hit China where it hurts the most 

[mishra]

^ As a example: Great Elon Musk opens car plant in China, in talks to open another car plant in China while Western government is trying to decouple itself from China, specially in Tech sector. I have a feeling that sooner , rather then later, Mr Musk will realise, its he who is to be blamed if Germans Japanese and Korean brands become go to choice ahead of Tesla.

 

But this contradiction between rich and their Government is now as outwardly visible as it gets.

Edited February 20, 2022 by mishra

[Lone Wolf]

Article was wriiten after Galwan clash..  Amazing piece & highlights what we missed back then. 

 

https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/opinion/is-india-ready-for-a-bigger-war-with-china-india-can-dominate-the-skies-and-the-sea

[BacktoCricaddict]

On 2/19/2022 at 1:53 PM, rangeelaraja said:

The day big US and Western MNCs decide to pull the manufacturing plug from China in a fast and coordinated manner

Is this ever possible?  It's like it's gone too far to roll it back 

[BacktoCricaddict]

Random thoughts from a simpleton:

 

While everyone discusses geopolitics, stratagem, deep states and war tactics, none of which I comprehend, all I can think of the inhumaneness of it all and the plight of the innocent individuals who get caught in the middle of these political power games.  For the leaders involved, these war games are just that - games to play and win.  But what about the people at the Ukranian border - the farmers, the daily-wage workers, the little children, the sick old folks?  Imagine the excruciating wait for the bombs to fall, the morbid thoughts of tomorrow never arriving, or of losing everything  you ever had.  One guy 1000s of miles away gives an order to fire, and for you, it's lights-out.  

 

It has been this way for time immemorial; with every king, every queen, every power-monger striving for glory over everything else.  

 

And when one goes down this road of thinking, there is an unabated anger, but an even more unabated sense of helplessness.  All I can do - if war does happen - is send a small amount of money to some organization for relief efforts, and feel like I played a part in repairing someone's life.    

 

 

 

Edited February 21, 2022 by BacktoCricaddict