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48 minutes ago, Autonomous said:

Chinese are insane. 

 

None of us know what they are capable of. US days of being the global leader are long gone

China can be economic might but with all those Chinese weapons they are not US, forget us they are far behined many European country in n weapon technology.

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46 minutes ago, Autonomous said:

They have the money, which is all that matters. 

 

 

Money doesn't mean they go full retarded like some middle East country. Also india is not like pakistan, nepal or bd we are also top 10 economy that's y we ignore china provocation and Chinese trying to take advantage thinking current gov ll act like past governments. Once they ll be responded in language which they understand they would be contained from doing further misadventure.

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8 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

If you are asking about Abhijit, he is a top defence and foreign affairs Independent expert. Pretty non-left

Thanks. Didn’t knew it. So we are going to see something very soon. Ie Right before snow take over the land in November.

 

Honestly, 2 month back it was exactly same thing in my mind. However, after giving considerable thought, I changed the view. Its not 1962 that supplies cant be reached, And now both nations are nuclear

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Just now, veer said:

I just hope we don't leave this strategic point ever again.. There is another useless round of talks going on.. 

Problem is, come winter most of the soldiers will have to leave from most of those heights. Both from our and Chinese side. War is not option for anyone. Thats the reason why most experts are amazed. There is very little possiblity if someone can maintain the upperhand in this zone, so what China really wants to achieve by blocking various points when it  knows, that its most likely Indian troups who will beat them reaching to all those points next summer

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1 hour ago, speedheat said:

Lol @title..

This pathetic government filled with inept crooks couldn't controll covid situation.

Just imagine a full fledged nuclear war .

Yes we are missing the great Nehru who surrendered 38000 sq km of Indian territorry and great Sonia govt which gave invitation to Chinese to occupy another 640 sq km in Ladakh. Then a secret pact between Gandhis and Xi followed by suspension of all infra projects along border. 

 

First time an Indian govt is showing spine, doing border works (roads, bridges, military installations...) under the nose of PLA and so becomes pathetic. 

 

Enough areas to blame govt but this govt at least has some spine when it comes to dealing with our nuisance enemy. 

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1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Yes we are missing the great Nehru who surrendered 38000 sq km of Indian territorry and great Sonia govt which gave invitation to Chinese to occupy another 640 sq km in Ladakh. Then a secret pact between Gandhis and Xi followed by suspension of all infra projects along border. 

 

First time an Indian govt is showing spine, doing border works (roads, bridges, military installations...) under the nose of PLA and so becomes pathetic. 

 

Enough areas to blame govt but this govt at least has some spine when it comes to dealing with our nuisance enemy. 

Nehru is history and I am no congress supporter you know that bro.

Where is Galwan velley revenge? Road bridges military installations or banning pubg and Tiktok doesn't equal hostility towards China. :eyedance:

56 inch couldn't evn mention China in his independence day speech.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, speedheat said:

Nehru is history and I am no congress supporter you know that bro.

Where is Galwan velley revenge? Road bridges military installations or banning pubg and Tiktok doesn't equal hostility towards China. :eyedance:

56 inch couldn't evn mention China in his independence day speech.

Galwan revenge was taken that day itself, more action couple of days earlier. Follow the news/updates bro. 

 

Don't need to mention anybody/anything, just get stuff done. Work in silence but send the message to the enemy, Chinese rags are rattled these last 2 days, Vikas, remember the name.

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3 hours ago, test fan said:

Now just a matter of time 

Still have my doubts. Problem is, India can justify lives lost to its population and greater world. China can neither justify to world and not to its own population. They will only go to a level where they do not loose lives.

 

Yesterday they tried to capture Nathu La. Its same spot where they lost over 350 soldiers in 1967 and were only able to enter to pick bodies after India declare ceasefire.

 

They will only try to access such places in the garb of Peace time agreements of 1993.

 

PS; Thanks to Pakistanis experience, that our soldiers are battle ready.

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PLA is going to be under pressure to secure something that can be seen as a "win. India's spangsur moves have fed the public perception that India is 'doing better than the PLA'.  This is not the sort of outcome that the Xi and CCP aimed for, by initiating this conflict. 

 

Still a very long way to go, but the next few days likely carry the highest risk and probability of the PLA "making a move".  Most likely in areas where they enjoy tactical dominance already. 

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Bad news which is Not sellable to its public, coming  every week. Since no one can win anything in a week or couple of weeks, Chinese can not do 1962. Its as simple as that.

 

one quick solution to Xi Xinping is return back to status quo and fire Zhao Zongqi as by the looks of it, zhao must have clearly known that Post Corona, a war like Tensions with India will only weaken Xi and CCP in eyes of its people. A loss of territory may bring him down. 

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On 9/15/2020 at 1:19 PM, gattaca said:

Really hope he is ousted. He cant be trusted. He came to india did photoop and started dokhlam and now incursions in ladakh. 

They spent the last 10-15 years spending billions on modernizing their army. Last 5-7 years, Xi initiated a major house-cleaning of the top leadership of the PLA, because the top generals of the PLA were also creating their own power silos.  All of that is reasonably sorted, and now the PLA is firmly under the heels of the CCP - their motto clearly states that the PLA is the army of CCP, not the chinese people.  

 

Next step is to be openly belligerent and deploy its economic clout and military strength co-ercively to announce China's "arrival" on the world stage as a global power.  Doklam in 2017, and Ladakh today, these are probes.  I would expect considerably more serious friction and encroachment in Arunachal Pradesh - PLA advantages in logistics, equipment, infrastracture, are even more lopsided in those sectors.  

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32 minutes ago, sandeep said:

They spent the last 10-15 years spending billions on modernizing their army. Last 5-7 years, Xi initiated a major house-cleaning of the top leadership of the PLA, because the top generals of the PLA were also creating their own power silos.  All of that is reasonably sorted, and now the PLA is firmly under the heels of the CCP - their motto clearly states that the PLA is the army of CCP, not the chinese people.  

 

Next step is to be openly belligerent and deploy its economic clout and military strength co-ercively to announce China's "arrival" on the world stage as a global power.  Doklam in 2017, and Ladakh today, these are probes.  I would expect considerably more serious friction and encroachment in Arunachal Pradesh - PLA advantages in logistics, equipment, infrastracture, are even more lopsided in those sectors.  

What do you feel is the reason for china to push India ? I saw Gaurav Arya's reasoning of XI's chair is in danger so he caused this distraction.  But there more to it. Doklam and now ladakh they have Aksai chin it should be in anyway obstruct their trading routes. Is it jus making India listen to their demands ? 

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5 hours ago, gattaca said:

What do you feel is the reason for china to push India ?

see the first post in this thread - here, I'll just paste it...

 

  

On 8/10/2017 at 1:59 PM, sandeep said:

1.   India and China have a long unresolved border 'dispute'.   CCP recognizes that India's decades of enforced 'austerity measures on its armed forces have ended, and now its finally moving forward on shoring up its woefully inadequate border defense infrastructure - its still got a ways to go, but its much easier for the PLA to have success against India's border defense today, rather than 5 years from now. 

 

2.  After a few decades of supercharged economic growth, the Chinese economy is in a major slowdown for the last few years, and a massive infrastructure building spree and stimulus at home, and building out the new silk road are not enough, what better than an external conflict to head off any sort of build up of resentment of the 'people' against the CCP?  

 

3.  Chinese hardliners are ready to more openly press their case that its now China's 'time' to re-assume its position as one of the world powers.   Students of history will recognize the "splendid little war" - the Spanish American ware of 1898 - where the US kicked the Spaniards out of Cuba, and took over Guam and Philippines - as the announcement of the US as a player on the world scene.  A repeat of a 1962 beat-down of India along the vast under-defended border will serve a similar cause nicely for China.

 

4.  The 'Bhutan' gambit serves the Chinese by muddying up the waters of the conflict just enough, so that third parties who don't really want to speak up against China, have some sort of a reason to justify staying "neutral".   If the Chinese had attempted to change the facts on the ground by building roads in territory that was directly in dispute between India and China - they would counter a lot more disapproval and resistence on the international stage - perhaps even at the UN inspite of their permanent seat on the Security Council.  

 

5.   I also don't think its a co-incidence that North Korea has escalated things with its missile tests - Recall the fact that China first attacked India right at the time when the entire world was focused on the Cuban Missile crisis between the US and the Soviets.   Kim Jong's government cannot afford to make such major moves without the tacit approval of the Chinese - they won't survive even a month without the direct material support to DPRK by China.  

 

All of this makes me believe that the Chinese are definitely going to engage - and not just in the Doklam region - they have a lot of options and low-hanging fruit all along the Indo-Chinese frontier.  A lot of places where the ground and geography would be in their favor.   

 

 

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