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Sachin Tendulkar v Virat Kohli - who is better ODI batsman?

Who is better ODI batsman?  

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18 minutes ago, Shunya said:

Sachin "was" wonder kid. We all loved watching him, but being nostalgic does not mean current players or other players beside Sachin have not done great things. People have moved on and we have seen plenty of other good/great cricketers over the years.

 

And Virat Kohli is playing on another level right now. I showed you the numbers of him leading from the front as captain and you could not admit the obvious, he is killing it right now whereas Sachin had mediocre numbers and could not lead from the front when needed as captain. Instead of admitting the obvious if you keep on defending Sachin for these things, its called being biased.

First of all 'of all reasons  to keep Sachin above Kohli' the least you can accuse me  is of being biased because both Kohli  and Sachin are from India.That being the case I would be more than happy if Kohli becomes a better batsman than Sachin by the time he retires.

'Numbers with out context'???? Then that is as senseless as it can get.For instance take Desmond Haynes.Sachin avg:ed 3+,scored more than twice the number of runs,scored almost 3 times the number of  100s  when compared to Haynes.Based on that, if I conclude that Sachin was 3 dimensionally better  to Haynes , then that would be the most senseless verdict.This because the time periods and hence the contexts both of them played in were far different.Similar is the case between Sachin & Kohli.

    As I said earlier, the pressure of expectations Sachin had to cope with was unreal.And captaincy was added burden on him.On a parallel note Sangakkara was bestowed with huge expectaions  of winning the world cup a second time being the ATG batsman of his team in the 2015 world cup.But he couldn't deal with the 'added pressure than normal' and he fumbled. In Sachin's case that was his destiny in each and every match he played in.

    And yet Sachin has till date performed much better than Kohli  in world cups, tournament knock outs, finals etc etc facing much better bowlers. That counts a lot. Let Kohli set that record straight first.Another factor which I have already stated is that Sachin was  much better to Kohli in chasing against difficult bowlers & difficult conditions or both.Naturally you won't always  get big  100s in such chases.This factor is characterised in Sachin's several inns where he would score very freely while others around him in general really struggled.That is such  an important factor which goes unnoticed generally. Chasing is not all about big scores alone. 

 

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18 hours ago, Shunya said:

Sachin sucked badly when he was captain. Wonder what changed?

Virat Kohli is miles ahead on handling the pressure and leading from the front.

 

Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns NO RunsDescending HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0  
MS Dhoni 2007-2016 199 171 48 6633 139* 53.92 7686 86.29 6 47 3 investigate this query
M Azharuddin 1990-1999 174 162 29 5239 153* 39.39 6677 78.46 4 37 6 investigate this query
SC Ganguly 1999-2005 146 142 11 5082 144 38.79 6658 76.32 11 30 9 investigate this query
V Kohli 2013-2018 48 45 11 2739 160* 80.55 2792 98.10 12 11 2 investigate this query
R Dravid 2000-2007 79 75 12 2658 105 42.19 3524 75.42 2 25 4 investigate this query
SR Tendulkar 1996-2000 73 70 5 2454 186* 37.75 2939 83.49 6 12 4 investigate this query

 

The thing is Virat has many players to help him in his on-field captaincy: Dhoni, Rohit, Rahane, etc. When he doesn't have them to guide him, his captaincy becomes exposed like what happened in RCB.

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http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8048/scorecard/419165/chennai-super-kings-vs-mumbai-indians-final-ipl-2009-10/

29 minutes ago, Number said:

Your team will lose finals like CSK/RPS coz not every time there will be a Parera to bash. :wp6:

Atleast his Team won 2 x finals when choker was captain of MI.. 48(45) :hysterical::hysterical::hysterical: He was 12th man for CSK in finals. Another day another choke

 

 

http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/8048/scorecard/419165/chennai-super-kings-vs-mumbai-indians-final-ipl-2009-10/

 

 

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33 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

Yeah we know when srini used to run the show.

We all saw when Johnson was on rampage Dhoni used to hide in gutter behind Raina Saha Jakati Sakshi.

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16 minutes ago, Number said:

Yeah we know when srini used to run the show.

We all saw when Johnson was on rampage Dhoni used to hide in gutter behind Raina Saha Jakati Sakshi.

:cantstop: So you are saying srini bought sachin ??? Is that what you are trying to say ??? Serious allegations.. 48(45) in finals MTC

 

Steyn knows what's up... Johnson who?? :hysterical: 

 

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only in India, Sachin can be reviled instead of revered! Keep going, and while we are at it, disown all his contributions. In fact give PR rights to Pakistan that they can use Sachin as their player..

VK is one of the greatest and Sachin was the first great from India. All Sachin fans on this forum will be ecstatic when Kohli breaks all his records.

When Sachin came on to the scene, India was used to being bullied by bowlers around the world. That changed with SRT.. now no one expects India to fold when there are 4 fast bowlers trying to break your spirits and bones. I watched the end of Kapil Dev and the beginning of  SRT era. I saw Ravi Shastri winning the Champion of Champions Audi and then saw him become the snail in his later years.

 

Now coming to this useless debate.. Fandom is always based on emotion and not on hard numbers. Who ever inspires you and brings you joy, is the player you want to follow. For me, it will always be Yuvi.. the most passionate fighter I have ever seen. Those eyes still give me goose-bumps!  I will not try to convince a Dhoni fan or a Virat fan or a Imran fan to change their loyalties, but am sure all true fans of cricket enjoy Virat as much as did Sachin in his prime!  

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14 minutes ago, UnknownGenius said:

Why is this thread open? It's a very one sided thread

 

 

No matter which way you look at it. Virat is the superior ODI batsman than Sachin. Better average, better strike rate and to me the most important, many more match winning innings

 

In fact, I'd go one step furhter and say MSD is also above Sachin as an ODI batsman for the same reasons as above

 

Besides longevity, Sachin has zero case whatsoever as being better than Kohli or MSD in ODI's.

 

Match winning innings >>>>>>>>>>>>longevity

A big fan of the "A lie repeated a thousand times becomes a truth" rule, are you? :phehe:

 

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3 hours ago, UnknownGenius said:

Why is this thread open? It's a very one sided thread

 

 

No matter which way you look at it. Virat is the superior ODI batsman than Sachin. Better average, better strike rate and to me the most important, many more match winning innings

 

In fact, I'd go one step furhter and say MSD is also above Sachin as an ODI batsman for the same reasons as above

 

Besides longevity, Sachin has zero case whatsoever as being better than Kohli or MSD in ODI's.

 

Match winning innings >>>>>>>>>>>>longevity

Well said... Virat owning sachin as usual :cantstop:

 

He is the biggest match winner in all 3 formats..

Virat - 164 matches 8 Man of the series ( will be 9 after RSA series ) 

Sachin - 243 matches 8 Man of the series 

:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

 

 

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18 hours ago, Unstable Joe said:

The thing is Virat has many players to help him in his on-field captaincy: Dhoni, Rohit, Rahane, etc. When he doesn't have them to guide him, his captaincy becomes exposed like what happened in RCB.

This is not about Virat's captaincy.

Its about his primary role as batsman which he takes one notch up when he is captaining. How to lift his batting when his ass is on line is something that is completely in batsman's control. Sachin could not do that as good as Kohli or even Dhoni as evident from the stats. His batting was better when he had no pressure to lead from the front.

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