Sachin Tendulkar v Virat Kohli - who is better ODI batsman?

[mishra]

18 hours ago, velu said:

 

i would rate sachin's 97 vs pak in 2003 is his best ODI innings ( maybe desert storms comes closer  ) ..

but the way these sachin chamchas discredit other batsmen is totally appalling 

To me his best knock was that 65 against Srilanka in 1996.

We as a nation only came to know how difficult it was to bat the minute he got out.

[VT87]

4 hours ago, raki05 said:

What do you mean by your Rahul he is not my son. He has been rightly kicked out after non performance. Looks like you take it personal if someone say something to kohli . As i mentioned before by kohli is on the verge of becoming GOAT in odi and ATG in test by the time he retired he can be greatest ever in terms of stats from India. But the sheer hope/expectation and joy which sachin created among fans with mediocre indian team during 90s  no one else can create.when we used to be whipping boys of most of the countries (even sl and zim used to kicked us occasionaly) By the time kohli came in to picture we were already well established team. BTW i was responding to a post who is talking as if Sachin is chadrakant pandit while compared to kohli.

I don't have problem  to put  Sachin over to kohli but how on earth  Rahul  is as talented, as Sachin ' potentially '.Sachin  scored hundreds  in eng and aus at the age of 18 while Rahul  was shitting everywhere. What potential  has he shown to compare  him to Sachin. That shows the hypocrisy  of some Rahul's fan .they  can easily  discard  virat's achievement  but shamelessy  compare 'potential goat ' Rahul  to great  man

[mishra]

1 hour ago, raki05 said:

Completely agreed. No matter what kind of bowler or pitch condition is maintaining an average more than 100 in entire year is something unheard of.

Year	Mat	Inns	NO	100s	50s	0s	HS	Runs	Avg	S/R	Ca	St
2005	14	14	0	0	0	0	39	221	15.79	66.77	4	0
2006	12	12	1	0	3	0	92*	466	42.36	84.88	6	0
2007	33	32	5	3	8	5	146	1209	44.78	92.29	20	0
2008	17	14	2	0	3	0	77	434	36.17	78.34	15	0
2009	17	17	3	1	6	0	121	762	54.43	92.81	12	0
2010	16	16	4	5	4	0	114*	964	80.33	102.12	22	1
2011	10	10	1	2	2	0	134	467	51.89	104.94	7	1
2012	13	12	6	2	3	0	125*	645	107.50	108.59	23	1
2013	27	26	3	3	7	1	128	1163	50.57	97.08	25	0
2014	16	16	4	2	6	0	136*	879	73.25	114.45	8	0
2015	20	18	3	5	5	0	162*	1193	79.53	137.92	17	2
2016	11	10	2	1	1	0	101*	339	42.38	90.64	7	0
2017	19	18	5	1	5	1	176	773	59.46	116.94	9	0
2018	3	3	0	0	0	0	30	62	20.67	105.08	1	0
Overall (14)	228	218	39	25	53	7	176	9577	53.50	101.10	176	5

 

Year	Mat	Inns	NO	100s	50s	0s	HS	Runs	Avg	S/R	Ca	St
2008	5	5	0	0	1	0	54	159	31.80	66.53	3	0
2009	10	8	2	1	2	0	107	325	54.17	84.42	4	0
2010	25	24	3	3	7	3	118	995	47.38	85.12	9	0
2011	34	34	5	4	8	2	117	1381	47.62	85.56	19	0
2012	17	17	2	5	3	1	183	1026	68.40	93.78	14	0
2013	34	30	6	4	7	3	115*	1268	52.83	97.54	11	0
2014	21	20	2	4	5	1	139*	1054	58.56	99.62	8	0
2015	20	20	3	2	1	0	138	623	36.65	80.60	11	0
2016	10	10	2	3	4	0	154*	739	92.38	100.00	6	0
2017	26	26	7	6	7	2	131	1460	76.84	99.12	9	0
2018	14	14	5	6	3	0	160*	1202	133.56	102.56	9	0
2019	3	3	0	1	0	0	104	153	51.00	84.07	2	0
Overall (12)	219	211	37	39	48	12	183	10385	59.68	92.74	105	0

[mishra]

^ ABDV and Kohli stats

[mishra]

BTW in Last 2 years, Rohit has scored similar run count and similar hundreds in odis. Thats the reason people like me do tend to see chinks in Kohli's batting techniques.

[mishra]

Rohit Ji

ear	Mat	Inns	NO	100s	50s	0s	HS	Runs	Avg	S/R	Ca	St
2007	4	3	0	0	1	0	52	61	20.33	82.43	3	0
2008	28	28	7	0	3	2	70*	532	25.33	72.58	8	0
2009	9	7	3	0	0	1	43*	102	25.50	65.81	7	0
2010	15	14	1	2	1	2	114	504	38.77	86.01	5	0
2011	16	16	5	0	6	0	95	611	55.55	82.68	3	0
2012	14	13	0	0	1	3	68	168	12.92	66.93	6	0
2013	28	27	4	2	8	0	209	1196	52.00	80.81	6	0
2014	12	12	1	1	3	0	264	578	52.55	94.29	5	0
2015	17	17	1	3	4	2	150	815	50.94	95.43	6	0
2016	10	10	1	2	2	0	171*	564	62.67	95.27	5	0
2017	21	21	3	6	5	1	208*	1293	71.83	99.46	4	0
2018	19	19	5	5	3	1	162	1030	73.57	100.10	11	0
2019	3	3	0	1	0	0	133	185	61.67	93.43	2	0
Overall (13)	196	190	31	22	37	12	264	7639	48.04	88.78	71	0

[Stan AF]

48 minutes ago, mishra said:

BTW in Last 2 years, Rohit has scored similar run count and similar hundreds in odis. Thats the reason people like me do tend to see chinks in Kohli's batting techniques.

Since 2015!!!

[SUMO]

Why rohit and kohli's rating point is stuck at 871 & 899.

I think its not been updated yet after aus series.

There is chance for kohli to reach 900 in both formats simultaneously.

[mishra]

13 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

Since 2015!!!

As you can see from above ABDV and Kohli, both have averaged over 100 for one whole year. ABDV has had 5 very good year. Kohli has 4 so far. Rohit has 4 too.

 

I believe Kohli sill match ABDV or may exceed and have six damn good years. Buts thats about it. Rohit may only have 5 years because of his fitness. But you never know. Rohit may be more match fit then others

Edited January 22, 2019 by mishra

[bahubali]

19 hours ago, velu said:

anyway this topic is never gonna end until kohli retires  

 

kohli fans undermining sachin and sachin fans undermining kohli will continue ..

anyway we are lucky to fight for the batsmen like sachin , dhoni ,  kohli  etc   

From where does dhoni came in to discussion.

[raki05]

2 hours ago, mishra said:

Year	Mat	Inns	NO	100s	50s	0s	HS	Runs	Avg	S/R	Ca	St
2005	14	14	0	0	0	0	39	221	15.79	66.77	4	0
2006	12	12	1	0	3	0	92*	466	42.36	84.88	6	0
2007	33	32	5	3	8	5	146	1209	44.78	92.29	20	0
2008	17	14	2	0	3	0	77	434	36.17	78.34	15	0
2009	17	17	3	1	6	0	121	762	54.43	92.81	12	0
2010	16	16	4	5	4	0	114*	964	80.33	102.12	22	1
2011	10	10	1	2	2	0	134	467	51.89	104.94	7	1
2012	13	12	6	2	3	0	125*	645	107.50	108.59	23	1
2013	27	26	3	3	7	1	128	1163	50.57	97.08	25	0
2014	16	16	4	2	6	0	136*	879	73.25	114.45	8	0
2015	20	18	3	5	5	0	162*	1193	79.53	137.92	17	2
2016	11	10	2	1	1	0	101*	339	42.38	90.64	7	0
2017	19	18	5	1	5	1	176	773	59.46	116.94	9	0
2018	3	3	0	0	0	0	30	62	20.67	105.08	1	0
Overall (14)	228	218	39	25	53	7	176	9577	53.50	101.10	176	5

 

Year	Mat	Inns	NO	100s	50s	0s	HS	Runs	Avg	S/R	Ca	St
2008	5	5	0	0	1	0	54	159	31.80	66.53	3	0
2009	10	8	2	1	2	0	107	325	54.17	84.42	4	0
2010	25	24	3	3	7	3	118	995	47.38	85.12	9	0
2011	34	34	5	4	8	2	117	1381	47.62	85.56	19	0
2012	17	17	2	5	3	1	183	1026	68.40	93.78	14	0
2013	34	30	6	4	7	3	115*	1268	52.83	97.54	11	0
2014	21	20	2	4	5	1	139*	1054	58.56	99.62	8	0
2015	20	20	3	2	1	0	138	623	36.65	80.60	11	0
2016	10	10	2	3	4	0	154*	739	92.38	100.00	6	0
2017	26	26	7	6	7	2	131	1460	76.84	99.12	9	0
2018	14	14	5	6	3	0	160*	1202	133.56	102.56	9	0
2019	3	3	0	1	0	0	104	153	51.00	84.07	2	0
Overall (12)	219	211	37	39	48	12	183	10385	59.68	92.74	105	0

Wow i din't know this. ABDV is also top 3-4 batters in odi. That's why i said if kohli continue like this and will win a wc on the back of his batting performance he will be retired as GOAT in odi. But ya i agree that recent era is the most easiest era in terms of scoring run as limited over pitches have gone flat everywhere and batsmen skilled have also increased considerably due to advent of t20, 2 balls field restriction and all that.

[velu]

27 minutes ago, bahubali said:

From where does dhoni came in to discussion.

 

ICF is running because of dhoni from 2011 

[putrevus]

19 hours ago, Stan AF said:

Out of everyone in the list, you conveniently pick one guy .

 

Steve Waugh saved his country from certain defeat in not once but twice against SA in 1999 by scoring a 100(a must win to ensure Aus go to semi while chasing) and a 50 while batting 1st in arguably the greatest ODI game ever played in a semi.

And that Saffers bowling attack was world class for its time.

Get a grip, dude.

Scoring one hundred in a must win match or  world cup finals does not make any player a great player.He has 3 odi hundreds and you are saying he is on par with Kohli. Ponting who has scored one of the most dominating odi 100s in world cup finals is no where near Kohli he himself ackowledged it.

 

 

[mishra]

15 minutes ago, raki05 said:

Wow i din't know this. ABDV is also top 3-4 batters in odi. That's why i said if kohli continue like this and will win a wc on the back of his batting performance he will be retired as GOAT in odi. But ya i agree that recent era is the most easiest era in terms of scoring run as limited over pitches have gone flat everywhere and batsmen skilled have also increased considerably due to advent of t20, 2 balls field restriction and all that.

I do not bring down Kohli when I compare him to ABDV. neither do I try to rely on selective stats. ABDV is a beast of cricket. To me, he is ahead of Ponting. If he was a Indian, He would have gave a direct competition to Sachin and that too among Sachin fans.

 

Pressure, opposition, pitches, situation, era and fellow team mates. All that is completely different stuff. Quality wise, batting wise, I see ABDV and Kohli exactly same bat

[Stan AF]

23 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Scoring one hundred in a must win match or  world cup finals does not make any player a great player.He has 3 odi hundreds and you are saying he is on par with Kohli. Ponting who has scored one of the most dominating odi 100s in world cup finals is no where near Kohli he himself ackowledged it.

 

 

Steve Waugh IS A GREAT PLAYER.

[putrevus]

4 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

Steve Waugh IS A GREAT PLAYER.

Steve Waugh was a great test player but he was not a great odi player.

[bahubali]

3 hours ago, velu said:

 

ICF is running because of dhoni from 2011 

Yes he was not that famous while he was actually doing well. That's the last time he performed.

[vvvslaxman]

 

 

Latest update

 

 

Edited March 5, 2019 by vvvslaxman

[Vilander]

unreal batsman. 

[rtmohanlal]

this is like asking as to whether Sachin was almost double the one day batsman that  Desmond Haynes was based on pure numbers.

Haynes  scored only 8500+ runs when compared to Sachin's 18000+, scored only 17 100s compared to Sachin's 49, avg:ed 41.37 compared to Sachin's almost 45 and had only str: of  63 compared to Sachin's 87.Going by pure numbers no doubt that Sachin can be considered as atleast 175% a one day batsman to Haynes. But for me for one ,can't consider Sachin more than 2 levels atmost  a better batsman to Haynes, that's all. This because there is a matter called context.The contexts in which  these 2 batsmen scored their runs were so different. Then it all comes to general  over all perception based on these contexts.