Sachin Tendulkar v Virat Kohli - who is better ODI batsman?

[rtmohanlal]

9 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

Interesting.

 

The poll was somewhat lopsided in favor of Kohli with (43-67). 

And now 8 posters have voted for Sachin in the last 3 days after this WC. 

 

Should keep a poll now on how many would actually change their votes against Kohli.

some hard core immature  'stubborn'   cases will not come forward and admit mistakes because they have too much big egos to accept their faults.

[kushagra29]

I think we should not compare the players who played for the same team. There is a difference of an era between them. Looking at the statistics, the present technology the modern world is using, there is no doubt to say Kohli is a better batsman. But, at the time of Sachin, the bowlers were different and the cricket rules n play was different. So, from my point of view, both are legends. Sachin is great batsman in his time and Kohli is a great batsman for the present generation. 

[rtmohanlal]

There should be a 'vote changing option' in these polls. People who wish to change their  vote should be allowed to do so. I am sure   several members would  be changing their opinions as of now

[NameGoesHere]

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SRT

Matches: 463

Runs: 18426

Avg: 44.83

SR: 86.23

100s: 49

50s: 96

HS: 200 v SA

 

Kohli

Matches: 202, 236

Runs: 9030, 11286

Avg: 55.74, 59.4

SR: 91.73, 93

100s: 32, 41

50s: 45, 54

HS: 183 v Pak, 183 v Pak

 

I've just copied and pasted what  @Trichromatic compiled in Nov 2017 in the OP, but just added Kohli's latest stats (in red).

 

Except for HS, Kohli not only still outperforms SRT in key areas, he as also improved on his previous metrics such as Average and SR. (which is impressive).

 

But we have to factor in Kohli's non-performance in ICC tourneys, a significant drag on his reputation.

 

But given that he presumably has a few ICC tournaments to go still, the jury's still out IMO.     

 

 

[bahubali]

On 7/18/2019 at 2:44 PM, Stan AF said:

No Place For Virat Kohli In ICC's World Cup XI

Updated: 15 July 2019 16:58 IST

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Two India players -- Rohit Sharma and Jasprit Bumrah - found a place in ICC's World Cup 2019 XI while captain Virat Kohli missed out.

 

 

Here is the team:

Jason Roy (Eng) - 443 runs at 63.28

Rohit Sharma (India) - 648 runs at 81.00

Kane Williamson (c) (NZ) - 578 runs at 82.57 

Joe Root (Eng) - 556 runs at 61.77

Shakib (B'desh) - 606 runs at 86.57, 11 wkts at 36.27 

Ben Stokes (Eng) - 465 runs at 66.42, 7 wkts at 35.14

Alex Carey (wk) (Aus) - 375 runs at 62.50, 20 dismissals 

Mitchell Starc (Aus) - 27 wkts at 18.59

Jofra Archer (Eng) - 20 wkts at 23.05

Lockie Ferguson (NZ) - 21 wickets at 19.47

Jasprit Bumrah (India) - 18 wkts at 20.61  

 

 

 

India captain Virat Kohli, who led the team to the World Cup 2019 semi-finals, failed to find a spot in International Cricket Council (ICC)'s team of World Cup 2019, announced on its official website on Monday. England opener Jason Roy, who was picked ahead of Virat Kohli, had same 443 runs in the tournament. However, Roy's average of 63.29 in 7 matches was better than the right-handed batsman. Virat Kohli averaged 55.38 in 9 matches. India's golden run in World Cup 2019 ended after suffering an 18-run defeat to New Zealand in the first semi-final in Manchester.

 

Two India players -- Rohit Sharma and Jasprit Bumrah -- found places in ICC's World Cup 2019 XI. New Zealand skipper Kane Williamson, who was named player of the tournament, has been named as the captain of the side.

Former commentators Ian Bishop, Ian Smith and Isa Guha, cricket writer Lawarence Booth and ICC General Manager Cricket Geoff Allardice picked the World Cup 2019 playing XI. 

 

Rohit Sharma and Jason Roy are picked as openers, thanks to their brilliant performance in the showpiece event. Rohit, who scored five tons in World Cup 2019, was the tournament's leading run scorer with 648 runs. Williamson is placed at number 3 spot followed by Joe Root, all-rounders Shakib Al Hasan and Ben Stokes. Australia's Alex Carey, who showed character in the recently concluded tournament, is the wicket-keeper batsman in ICC's playing XI.

 

The bowling attack looks lethal with big names including Mitchell Starc, Jofra Archer, Lockie Ferguson and Jasprit Bumrah in the side. Mitchell Starc was the leading wicket-taker of the tournament with 27 wickets. While, Jofra Archer who bowled the super over for England, had claimed 20 wickets in the tournament. Bumrah, the top ranked ODI bowler, always provided India breakthroughs in crucial moments and picked 18 wickets in the showpiece event. 

 

https://sports.ndtv.com/world-cup-2019/virat-kohli-misses-out-in-iccs-world-cup-2019-team-2069905

Lol people should see that biletral king and perennial choker is not even able to make it to wxi which matters the most.

[bahubali]

1 hour ago, rtmohanlal said:

some hard core immature  'stubborn'   cases will not come forward and admit mistakes because they have too much big egos to accept their faults.

Yes there were few fools who just before wc started anointed him goat, sachin is not fit to tie his shoes kind of fool they are in hiding now . Don't worry they ll resurface again in these 4 tears before next wc as wc choker ll feast on wi, sl, aus b,c,d, sa b to reincarnate his king image.

[rageaddict]

1 hour ago, NameGoesHere said:

I've just copied and pasted what  @Trichromatic compiled in Nov 2017 in the OP, but just added Kohli's latest stats (in red).

 

Except for HS, Kohli not only still outperforms SRT in key areas, he as also improved on his previous metrics such as Average and SR. (which is impressive).

 

But we have to factor in Kohli's non-performance in ICC tourneys, a significant drag on his reputation.

 

But given that he presumably has a few ICC tournaments to go still, the jury's still out IMO.

 

 

Kohli still has Few ICC tournaments left ? Which ones?  The T20 World Cups don't count as they were not mainstream during Tendulkars era and the format is more entertainment-oriented and not considered a serious competition.  

 

Champions Trophy has been scrapped forever, so his performance in the CT 2017 Finals will always be a blot on his career.

 

Kohli will be 35 years old in  2023 and 39 years old in 2027.

 

So he only has one World Cup to go, which  is 2023 World Cup ,  as it's unlikely that he will be on top of his game at 39 years old considering the workload on Cricketers due to International Cricket and IPL.

 

It will be Tendulkar all the way between the two unless Kohli gives  a Tendulkaresque 2003 World Cup performance and leads India to a WC Win in front of home crowds. That's is his only single Chance left. 

Edited July 20, 2019 by rageaddict

[Nikola]

Kohli still has 2 worldcups to play and one surely as captain that too in india so if he manages to win that then his reputation will skyrocket for sure.

[Stan AF]

He's not playing 2 more WC's.

[R!TTER]

1 hour ago, rageaddict said:

It will be Tendulkar all the way between the two unless Kohli gives  a Tendulkaresque 2003 World Cup performance and leads India to a WC Win in front of home crowds. That's is his only single Chance left. 

One summer doesn't make a swallow, Tendulkar had 3 great WCs 2 middling ones & one poor, in 2007 he only batted 3 innings all at 4 btw. Kohli was never going to overtake him, ever it's only Brat fans that were delusional enough to think he's perform at the same level as SRT, just because he's faced pop gun attacks on batting paradises with 2 new balls in the last 8 years or so. A hint of movement or turn & the guy always folds under pressure & no T20 innings don't count 

[NameGoesHere]

46 minutes ago, rageaddict said:

 

Kohli still has Few ICC tournaments left ? Which ones?  The T20 World Cups don't count as they were not mainstream during Tendulkars era and the format is more entertainment-oriented and not considered a serious competition.  

 

Champions Trophy has been scrapped forever, so his performance in the CT 2017 Finals will always be a blot on his career.

 

Kohli will be 35 years old in  2023 and 39 years old in 2027.

 

So he only has one World Cup to go, which  is 2023 World Cup ,  as it's unlikely that he will be on top of his game at 39 years old considering the workload on Cricketers due to International Cricket and IPL.

 

It will be Tendulkar all the way between the two unless Kohli gives  a Tendulkaresque 2003 World Cup performance and leads India to a WC Win in front of home crowds. That's is his only single Chance left. 

I disagree that the T20 WC doesn't count.  It's a WC.  Being entertainment, didn't exist in SRT's time are just arbitrary qualifiers.  However, this discussion is on ODIs, so we can use that reason to ignore T20 WCs. 

 

Then's he's got 2023. So you're right he's got this one left and I stand corrected. But enough to make his rep if he wins the second.

 

[Vijy]

3 hours ago, Nikola said:

Kohli still has 2 worldcups to play and one surely as captain that too in india so if he manages to win that then his reputation will skyrocket for sure.

he will not play the 2027 one.

[Pollack]

1 hour ago, NameGoesHere said:

I disagree that the T20 WC doesn't count.  It's a WC.  Being entertainment, didn't exist in SRT's time are just arbitrary qualifiers.  However, this discussion is on ODIs, so we can use that reason to ignore T20 WCs. 

 

Then's he's got 2023. So you're right he's got this one left and I stand corrected. But enough to make his rep if he wins the second.

 

His non choking great t20 innings came when he was going through absolutely crazy form of life. It would be interesting to see if he can replicate such innings in future under pressure.

[Pollack]

3 hours ago, Nikola said:

Kohli still has 2 worldcups to play and one surely as captain that too in india so if he manages to win that then his reputation will skyrocket for sure.

Really hope he isn't captain in WC2023. World Cup is in India and it would be shame not to win it.

[CG]

I have always regarded Sachin as the most complete batsman I have seen.He was as strong on front foot as he was backfoot,Strong defensively against spin and could play padle sweep or use his feet to attack.Kohli is one of best front foot players but his lack of backfoot shots on off side allows bowlers to contain him.

[mani sha]

On 7/19/2019 at 9:02 PM, rtmohanlal said:

some hard core immature  'stubborn'   cases will not come forward and admit mistakes because they have too much big egos to accept their faults.

Kohli the better test batter

sachin the better odi batter as he has more dynamic shots 

kohli will outlast Tendulkar due to emphasis on fitness 

 

in short 

 

Tendulkar - test match choker

kohli - odi choker 

[Nikola]

47 minutes ago, mani sha said:

Kohli the better test batter

sachin the better odi batter as he has more dynamic shots 

kohli will outlast Tendulkar due to emphasis on fitness 

 

in short 

 

Tendulkar - test match choker

kohli - odi choker 

Idk what has kohli done in tests be considered better than sachin already. Kohli infact has choked many times in test matches.

[velu]

On 7/20/2019 at 12:00 PM, Nikola said:

Kohli still has 2 worldcups to play and one surely as captain that too in india so if he manages to win that then his reputation will skyrocket for sure.

 

kohli will be 38/39 then 

[Nikola]

5 minutes ago, velu said:

 

kohli will be 38/39 then 

kohli will surely play till 39 - 40. He will be fit aswell.

[Vijy]

4 hours ago, mani sha said:

Kohli the better test batter

sachin the better odi batter as he has more dynamic shots 

kohli will outlast Tendulkar due to emphasis on fitness 

 

in short 

 

Tendulkar - test match choker

kohli - odi choker 

SRT was far superior to Kohli in Tests as far as his technical abilities are concerned. In the very long period of 1992-2011 (apart from a few bad yrs), Tendu was arguably the only player in the world who could play in swinging, pacy & bouncy, and spinning conditions with consistency and with reasonable ease. Kohli fails miserably in quite a few series: Eng in 2014 and the home tests against Oz are two examples. He usually works very hard to counter his limitations, but the fact is that his game has many more chinks than Tendu.

 

To be sure, Tendu choked in several Test matches but Kohli is not blameless. If Chennai '98 counts as a choke then Kohli in Adelaide also "choked". Besides, in the only series win in SENA during his career (Oz tour), Kohli did very little of note - in the Tests we won or drew, Chepu and Pant-man did a lot more.

 

In my book, Sachin > Kohli in Tests, Kohli > Sachin in ODI bilaterals, Sachin >> Kohli in multi-nation tourneys, and Kohli > Sachin in T20s [the last, however, is not a fair comparison since we are comparing an old and career-end SRT].

 

So basically, apart from ODI bilaterals, Sachin is better than Kohli in my opinion. also have to factor in fielding (SRT better in close-in positions and kohli in ground fielding) and bowling (SRT light yrs ahead) to evaluate their total cricketing abilities.

Edited July 21, 2019 by Vijy