Sachin Tendulkar v Virat Kohli - who is better ODI batsman?

[mishra]

odi has changed. Earlier teams only scored against minnows.  Nowadays, Its phatta everywhere apart from that one time in South Africa where they produced a pitch like the ones we see today.  There too, they diddnt had two new balls

1	434/4 (50 overs)	Australia	South Africa	Johannesburg	2005–06
2	438/9 (49.5 overs)	South Africa	Australia	Johannesburg	2005–06
3	443/9 (50 overs)	Sri Lanka	Netherlands	Amstelveen	2006
4	418/5 (50 overs)	South Africa	Zimbabwe	Potchefstroom	2006–07
5	413/5 (50 overs)	India	Bermuda	Port of Spain	2007
6	402/2 (50 overs)	New Zealand	Ireland	Aberdeen, Scotland	2008
7	414/7 (50 overs)	India	Sri Lanka	Rajkot	2009–10
8	411/8 (50 overs)	Sri Lanka	India	Rajkot	2009–10
9	401/3 (50 overs)	India	South Africa	Gwalior	2009–10
10	418/5 (50 overs)	India	West Indies	Indore	2011–12
11	404/5 (50 overs)	India	Sri Lanka	Kolkata	2014–15
12	439/2 (50 overs)	South Africa	West Indies	Johannesburg	2014-15
13	408/5 (50 overs)	South Africa	West Indies	Sydney	2014–15
14	411/4 (50 overs)	South Africa	Ireland	Canberra	2014–15
15	417/6 (50 overs)	Australia	Afghanistan	Perth	2014–15
16	408/9 (50 overs)	England	New Zealand	Birmingham	2015
17	438/4 (50 overs)	South Africa	India	Mumbai	2015–16
18	444/3 (50 overs)	England	Pakistan	Nottingham	2016
19	481/6 (50 overs)	England	Australia	Nottingham	2018

Edited October 24, 2018 by mishra

[mishra]

2 minutes ago, UnknownGenius said:

This is not a debate and hasn't been in the longest time

 

Kohli is a far superior OdI batsman than Sachin and has left him in the dust

 

These kinds of threads are an insult to India's greatest ever batsman Kohli. He is above comparison to Rohit or tendy or whoever

 

Kohli and MsD are India's two greatest OdI batsman. Case closed

And we may still loose the game at home against second string Windies despite the two batting superbly at top strike rate.

 

Hang On, Commies said it was 400 pitch

[someone]

Sachin never dominated the game, as his peers also have similar average records.

 

kohli is dominating the game and is the true legend of this format.

 

Everybody wants the glory of Sachin, yet every player would rather work to emulate Kolhi skills and work rate.

[mishra]

2 minutes ago, someone said:

Sachin never dominated the game, as his peers also have similar average records.

 

kohli is dominating the game and is the true legend of this format.

 

Everybody wants the glory of Sachin, yet every player would rather work to emulate Kolhi skills and work rate.

yes, His peers used to score mega 100 runs in first 30 overs and 220 runs in 50-60 overs.

Edited October 24, 2018 by mishra

[someone]

7 minutes ago, mishra said:

yes, His peers used to score mega 100 runs in first 30 overs and 220 runs in 50-60 overs.

There are many with similar averages as Sachin but today there arent any with similar averages as Kohli

[mishra]

2 minutes ago, someone said:

There are many with similar averages as Sachin but today there arent any with similar averages as Kohli

Kohli will have a tomorrow too.

[someone]

Just now, mishra said:

Kohli will have a tomorrow too.

And your point? Kohli is better than Sachin and greatest player in ODI imo. That is today and cant be changed.

[mishra]

6 minutes ago, someone said:

And your point? Kohli is better than Sachin and greatest player in ODI imo. That is today and cant be changed.

Kohli is competing with Rohit in odis. who was Sachin competing to?

 

here is ur average

V Kohli (INDIA)     2008-2018     213*     205     36     10076     183     59.62     10851     92.85     37     48     12     944     110
Fakhar Zaman (PAK)     2017-2018     23     23     4     1121     210*     59.00     1135     98.76     3     6     2     132     20
MG Bevan (AUS)     1994-2004     232     196     67     6912     108*     53.58     9320     74.16     6     46     5     450     21
AB de Villiers (Afr/SA)     2005-2018     228     218     39     9577     176     53.50     9473     101.09     25     53     7     840     204
Babar Azam (PAK)     2015-2018     51     49     8     2129     125*     51.92     2523     84.38     8     8     1     171     21
JE Root (ENG)     2013-2018     121     115     19     4946     133*     51.52     5722     86.43     13     29     4     392     40
IJL Trott (ENG)     2009-2013     68     65     10     2819     137     51.25     3658     77.06     4     22     5     216     3
AT Rayudu (INDIA)     2013-2018     42*     38     12     1325     124*     50.96     1707     77.62     2     9     1     111     20
MS Dhoni (Asia/INDIA)     2004-2018     329*     279     78     10143     183*     50.46     11548     87.83     10     67     9     782     218

Edited October 24, 2018 by mishra

[goose]

is every player averaging 50+ today (lets assume decent sample size say innings minimum) better than Tendulkar? if not why not?

[Laaloo]

Sachin

[Austin 3:!6]

None

[Laaloo]

Just now, Austin 3:!6 said:

None

Ganguly?

[Austin 3:!6]

2 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

Ganguly?

Close but that is not the correct answer

[Laaloo]

3 minutes ago, Austin 3:!6 said:

Close but that is not the correct answer

Ajay jadeja?

[someone]

Kohli around 60 average is the only one. Who is really competing with that? Zaman is just started the game whereas the rest of competition is much below.

 

Whereas Sachin has many peers of similar averages like Ponting, Sanga, Sarwan, Yousuf, Chandrapaul, Hayden, Kallis.

 

Take away the childhood memories or the emotions associated with sachin, one has to admit his records are based only on longevity. Relatively not many winning innings and unability to differienate himself from his peers....

[someone]

Del

Edited October 24, 2018 by someone

[goose]

2 hours ago, UnknownGenius said:

Most are. Sachin is the most overrated batsman purely based on longevity but did't play that many match winning innings. He wasn't even most feared in the team. Everyone wanted Sehwag's wicket and then Yuvi. 

 

Kohli, MSD, ABDV all average 50+ wiht big sample size. Definitely better ODI batters than Sachin

date of birth please

[Nikola]

Let virat finish his career then we can discuss. Right now he is at peak. Virat has seen sachin and improved what mistakes sachin might have done or try to do better than him. If same rules are applied for next 100 years there will be more batsman who will break even virat's record and might avg 80 in odis. This will keep going on. But i doubt rules will be same which are now. This are probably easiest odi conditions in history of odi cricket. I would want to see how good kohli performs till end & how long his peak will be.

[Muloghonto]

3 hours ago, someone said:

There are many with similar averages as Sachin but today there arent any with similar averages as Kohli

Err, Sachin played in an era where 250 was a defendable score on MOST pitches by MOST opposition and averaged in the high 40s, when a few others (MEW, Anwar, etc) were averaging in the low 40s. Kohli plays in an era where 300 is barely defendable by most teams, averages high 50s when we have a few who average in the low 50s.

I'd say they are so far, about equal in terms of impact, but Sachin is a more proven batsman against higher quality bowling.

[someone]

3 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Err, Sachin played in an era where 250 was a defendable score on MOST pitches by MOST opposition and averaged in the high 40s, when a few others (MEW, Anwar, etc) were averaging in the low 40s. Kohli plays in an era where 300 is barely defendable by most teams, averages high 50s when we have a few who average in the low 50s.

I'd say they are so far, about equal in terms of impact, but Sachin is a more proven batsman against higher quality bowling.

Your point? Kohli is the standard of the best of ODI cricket today and he himself is in his own league.  Whereas Sachin had many peers in his league as mentioned. Likes of Ponting, Kallis, Hayden, Sarwan, Sanga. Sachin himself wasnt the standard other than perhaps longevity.

 

And if today bowling is so poor, why cant other players be close to Kohli? And it is not poor bowling but rather maximize batting. Today players dont allow bowlers to settle and do more innovative batting. Its a weak excuse if you keep saying a player scores more runs due to poor quality opposition.