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Sachin Tendulkar vs Steve Smith - Comparative Analysis


jalebi_bhai

Who was the better overall batsman at similar stages in their careers (57 Tests and 103 ODIs)?  

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  1. 1. Who was the better overall batsman at similar stages in their careers (57 Tests and 103 ODIs)?

    • Sachin Tendulkar
      37
    • SPD Smith
      21


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Sorry mediocre records 2 of 4 Asian countries . In one of them it’s frigging horrendous . Also in England it’s bang average 40 while other Indians average over 50

 

i am judging smith with same brutality Indians judge their own boys on this site . Using same yardsticks . And using same yard sticks he has massive gaps and is mediocre in Asia. 

 

Ps smith is a lot better then dhoni , there I agree 

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13 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No he is not, he has done fine is SL and UAE where he has already scored a hundred and 97.

 

Smith is carrying his team on his back and doing very well. 21 hundreds and 21 fifties in 105 innings is not a joke, it literally means he is scoring at least one fifty per test which is mind boggling.

Has done fine !!! Thought talking about batting monster and you say fine . Mediocre in 2 Asian countries and horrific is another . It’s damming 

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5 hours ago, jalebi_bhai said:

 

For me, Steve Smith is miles ahead at similar stages in their careers.

Your statistical slice suffers from an unfortunate - probably unintentional - flaw.  By taking Tendy's career up to 97, you are essentially excluding a bunch of his prime performances - the 97-2002 timeframe.  While including Steve Smith's ongoing purple patch.  If you compare the first 4 years of Smith's test career to Tendy's what will you get?  Smith probably averaged below 20 or something horrible like that.  

 

Another factor is that when Tendy was in his prime as a batsman - i.e. pre tennis elbow injury, and after the first couple of teenage years - BCCI had just discovered the money making potential of ODI cricket, and as a result, played maximum numbers of ODIs at the cost of minimal test cricket.   

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15 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

So all us neutrals agree smith is better.. that's what matters the most

I wouldn't call him better, Tendulkar was more talented but Smith has achieved more so far, the greatness of Tendulkar until last 30 tests was his adaptability. 

 

Tendulkar had a such secure technique that he rarely endured prolonged slump and even when his hand eye coordination deteriorated he still had sound technique to fall back. Guys like Richards or Ponting once their hand eye coordination decreased they just were shell of themselves.

 

Guys like Kallis  or Sanga who had very good technique did very well even late in their careers. Smith or Kohli don't possess sound technique.

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2 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

Your a neautral lol

Yep.. :yess: i am

 

Let's take out your vote, mtc, praggy, Bangladeshi maniac, Pakistani speedheat, banglalori quota lanni, mccricket and few other sachin chamchas voted in that poll. It's pretty obvious neutrals voted for Real LEGEND smith. 

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4 minutes ago, AmreekanDesi said:

when averaging 40+ is considered a 'poor record' you know youre talking abt an ATG batsman lol

 

#kingtendulkarowngoal

In Bangladesh his record his car crash stuff .sachin had no car crash places . And srt is much better record in eng which cos kohli flopped there is bench mark of what defines a player apparently 

 

just judging smith by same bench marks our boys are 

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43 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

Smith has terrible record in Bangladesh a stain which always visible 

He ain't no minnow basher like sachin bro.. sachin can enjoy that record against bangladesh in Tests..where smith ll have better record against Top 4 teams. He sure have gifted them few Odis like wc07 and 2012 AC which is another day discussion. 

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6 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

Has done fine !!! Thought talking about batting monster and you say fine . Mediocre in 2 Asian countries and horrific is another . It’s damming 

Tendulkar was averaging in low 40s in SA till 2010 and  also in NZ. Sample size of Smith in Bangladesh and other Asian countries is very small and I don't see any reason why they cannot be improved.

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7 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I wouldn't call him better, Tendulkar was more talented but Smith has achieved more so far, the greatness of Tendulkar until last 30 tests was his adaptability. 

 

Tendulkar had a such secure technique that he rarely endured prolonged slump and even when his hand eye coordination deteriorated he still has sound technique to fall back. Guys like Richards or Ponting once their hand eye coordination decreased they just were shell of themselves.

 

Guys like Kallis  or Sanga who had very good technique did very well even late in their careers. Smith or Kohli don't possess sound technique.

Do you prefer a talented cricketer who chokes in imp matches or  a cricket who achieved more in general and won the team a WC ? Who cares about talent when he doesn't deliver when it matters...

 

Who cares about technique anyway as long as they are scoring runs and winning matches for teams like smith did with this Test.. 

 

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4 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Tendulkar was averaging in low 40s in SA till 2010 and  also in NZ. Sample size of Smith in Bangladesh and other Asian countries is very small and I don't see any reason why they cannot be improved.

Agree . Same for kohli in England ? Or no those 4 games are a stick which must be used relentlessley to beat him with . If the stick is used then we must be consistent and smash smith up for his weaknesses in Asia ( struggles on slower tracks ) 

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4 minutes ago, Rasgulla said:

Do you prefer a talented cricketer who chokes in imp matches or  a cricket who achieved more in general and won the team a WC ? Who cares about talent when he doesn't deliver when it matters...

 

Who cares about technique anyway as long as they are scoring runs and winning matches for teams like smith did with this Test.. 

 

Smith had good semi final but winning world cup/tests is more about the team than one player.

 

What Sachin did in 96 or Kohli did in last T20 world cups was nothing but miraculous.But both did not end up as winners but it was not their fault.They did not choke , but their teams failed them.

 

Smith has a bad record as a captain in tests  but that has got nothing to do with him because his teams are not that good.

 

Technique comes into picture after batsmen go into slumps which Smith has not yet endured, he will have slump then how he will bounce back will be the depending on his technique.

 

Gavaskar had 22 hundreds which is more than Smith after 57 tests which for an opener is mind boggling.But ended with up with just 12 in next 68.

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20 minutes ago, King Tendulkar said:

Agree . Same for kohli in England ? Or no those 4 games are a stick which must be used relentlessley to beat him with . If the stick is used then we must be consistent and smash smith up for his weaknesses in Asia ( struggles on slower tracks ) 

I will never beat up Kohli for his lack of success in England, yes he had a bad series everyone has one.If he fails this time then questions will be asked but if they prepare green mambas which is quite possible you can't expect him to score 100s.

 

Some guys here are comparing Smith's record in England had quoting Kohli's failures have no clue what they are talking about, Kohli played on very lively pitches in four out of five tests where as Smith got to play on Lords flat pitch along with other flat pitches in that series.

 

Smith also failed green mambas there.

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35 minutes ago, putrevus said:

I will never beat up Kohli for his lack of success in England, yes he had a bad series everyone has one.If he fails this time then questions will be asked but if they prepare green mambas which is quite possible you can't expect him to score 100s.

 

Some guys here are comparing Smith's record in England had quoting Kohli's failures have no clue what they are talking about, Kohli played on very lively pitches in four out of five tests where as Smith got to play on Lords flat pitch along with other flat pitches in that series.

 

Smith also failed green mambas there.

Solid balanced post . Can we have more of this instead of same boring rhetoric . Some of you guys could just cut and post as you say same thing in every post and topic !

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1 minute ago, Shaz1 said:

Sachin is a average cricketer. There is nothing special about him besides his ablity to score lots of runs due to longetivity. In the Op you can clearly see Smith has surpassed him. 

This is what I mean boring rhetoric . This poster just says every Indian player is no good and someone else better . Proper zzzzz stuff . Just cut and post “ Indian player no good others much better “ and be done with it . Save you and us much valuable time 

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38 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Smith had good semi final but winning world cup/tests is more about the team than one player.

 

What Sachin did in 96 or Kohli did in last T20 world cups was nothing but miraculous.But both did not end up as winners but it was not their fault.They did not choke , but their teams failed them.

 

Smith has a bad record as a captain in tests  but that has got nothing to do with him because his teams are not that good.

 

Technique comes into picture after batsmen go into slumps which Smith has not yet endured, he will have slump then how he will bounce back will be the depending on his technique.

 

Gavaskar had 22 hundreds which is more than Smith after 57 tests which for an opener is mind boggling.But ended with up with just 12 in next 68.

Not only good SF he performed even finals of WC 50+ score and a not out when finch got a duck... Virat got team  to SF in 2016 and Finals in 2014 singlehandly.. It can happen even in cricket. It was done on multiple occasions by both virat and smith. He was the highest scorer in finals of CT2013 on a tough pitch where a dude with talent always chocked when going goes tough. This thread is about smith as a player not as a captain... although virat and smith are performing well with captaincy pressure says a lot about them. Sachin didn't have to worry about all of them.. IPL and more T20 cricket is taking a toll on current players. He has non back is his days. Schedule is more packed now... Don't care about what players like gavaskar did.. I have no respect for selfish players from Mumbai lobby and Gavaskar's WC innings is disgusting.

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