Straight Drive Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 15 hours ago, rtmohanlal said: the audacity to compare a proven legend who scored over 13500(still larger than the 2nd best Ponting) runs at 59.35 facing several sub 25 bowlers in general & facing much higher pressure of expectations in general & that too with 44.6+ avg: in all countries during this time span to a talented youngster who has barely touched 6000 runs. 'Foolishness' is the single word that comes to mind. He scored 15,921 runs to be precise. Thats much higher than 13,500. Link to comment
rtmohanlal Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, Straight Drive said: He scored 15,921 runs to be precise. Thats much higher than 13,500. "over 13500(still larger than the 2nd best Ponting) runs at 59.35 " Link to comment
The Outsider Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Next stop, Bradman. Number 1 Link to comment
Chandan Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 Why compare with Sachin? I don't understand. Much higher average to aim at. velu 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, Trichromatic said: No one dominates ATG bowlers. SRT faced sub-25 bowlers and scored multiple 100s. http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/16126/scorecard/63737/south-africa-vs-india-2nd-test-india-tour-of-south-africa-1996-97/ http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/15465/scorecard/63951/south-africa-vs-india-1st-test-india-tour-of-south-africa-2001-02/ You are giving me pitches on which other team scored 550 plus as Sachin mastery over sub 25 bowlers.There is a reason why Sachin's innings never made wisden top 100 and there is a reason why his career ratings never reached 900. Edited August 6, 2018 by putrevus velu and express bowling 2 Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, putrevus said: You are giving me pitches on which other team scored 550 plus as Sachin mastery over sub 25 bowlers.There is a reason why Sachin's innings never made wisden top 100 and there is a reason why his career ratings never reached 900. That shows quality of Indian bowlers. You're basically asking for matches SRT played with Indian bowlers averaging below 25 and 30. Well didn't happen. List how many times 900 rating was achieved in 90s. There is a reason more than dozen players got it in 2000s. Link to comment
putrevus Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 (edited) 21 hours ago, dandaroy said: There is no doubt that SRT came into international cricket with more potential than Kohli. He was termed Bradmanesque even before his debut. Did he live up to that lofty expectation? Did he stand above the rest of the crowd like Bradman did over his peers? No. He is a modern day great, no doubt (although he tarnished some of that legacy by sticking around after WC 2011), but he definitely underachieved in terms of totally dominating his peers (he did this in spurts) and being the MVP of the team. Sachin started playing tests when he was 16 going on 17. Virat debuted when he was 22 going on 23. That is six years of international cricket more for Sachin. Surely, he would have more centuries and more runs. Also, SRT made an immediate impact in terms of scoring runs, while Virat working his way up. There is no question that Sachin had more talent than Kohli in terms of technique, array of shots, etc. However, where Kohli excels is his value to the team, to step up when needed, the fierce attitude, the grit. And he is a learner. I have no doubt that by the time he hangs up (he can easily play another 10 years with his physical conditioning), he will be a ATG and he will definitely be the best MVP Indian cricket has ever had. Couldn't have said it any better. Edited August 6, 2018 by putrevus Link to comment
putrevus Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 12 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: That shows quality of Indian bowlers. You're basically asking for matches SRT played with Indian bowlers averaging below 25 and 30. Well didn't happen. List how many times 900 rating was achieved in 90s. There is a reason more than dozen players got it in 2000s. I don't think it was due to quality of Indian bowlers, both were flat pitches and quality of Indian batting has to be questioned more than its bowling. Link to comment
putrevus Posted August 6, 2018 Share Posted August 6, 2018 14 minutes ago, Trichromatic said: That shows quality of Indian bowlers. You're basically asking for matches SRT played with Indian bowlers averaging below 25 and 30. Well didn't happen. List how many times 900 rating was achieved in 90s. There is a reason more than dozen players got it in 2000s. When did Sachin retire????? did he retire in 1990s??? why does he get a pass for 2000s???? what was he doing in 2000s??? velu and Rasgulla 2 Link to comment
BlueBee Posted August 8, 2018 Share Posted August 8, 2018 On 8/6/2018 at 1:08 AM, Trichromatic said: For what? Dravid wasn't even close to SRT in tests. We'd just have to agree to disagree. This topic is old. Link to comment
CSK Fan Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 On 8/6/2018 at 12:40 AM, velu said: overall ranking is the best indicator which includes all or most of all .. kohli 900++ Bull ****. Ranking is a one time achievement. So if a batsman in his second year reaches 900+ points in ranking and then averages 25 for next 12 years, he is an atg? You should stick to ipl and trolling Link to comment
CSK Fan Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 On 8/6/2018 at 11:34 PM, putrevus said: When did Sachin retire????? did he retire in 1990s??? why does he get a pass for 2000s???? what was he doing in 2000s??? During some of our easiest series he suffered from an injury and lack of form. He did play a lot of tougher series though post that and did fairly good Link to comment
CSK Fan Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 On 8/6/2018 at 6:48 PM, UnknownGenius said: Kohli has surpasses Sachin as batsman I'm all formats of the game Also Dravid was a better test batsman than selfish tendulkar and MSD a better ODI batsman than Tendy Overall tendulkar is not a top 3 indian test or ODI player Lmao, kohli wins at home anf loses away just like sachin. Not a single fact supports your baseless claims. Nor do any neutral fans, wisden experts of the game, past.and future legends support a single one of your claims I love how from facts now the discussion has veered to name calling and persoanl attacks on players you dislike Fans like you are worse than termites eating what was once good. Tomorrow when some other players comes you will call kohli names. Whether sachin is selfish or not, Fair weather scum entitled fans lke you are definitely selfish, pathetic human beings with no achievements in life trying to feel better by targeting giants raki05 and Stan AF 2 Link to comment
Lala Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 This is my assumption. Look, Kohli is at age 30 and got close to 6000 runs. His current average is 54. assume he will play another maximum 10 years and he will play minimum 10 matches per year then total matches for ten years will be 100. So 2 inning per test match and obviously 200 innings. But lets assume realistically he would play 180 innings out of 200. Then 54*180 = 9720 and adding current 6000 runs, the total will be 15700+ runs. An occasional tons will come when he tours in minnow countries like SL, BAN, WI, ZIM, etc. Therefore he would be able to cross 16000 runs in age 40 and retire happily. So I believe he may break the records of Sachin. Stan AF and velu 1 1 Link to comment
raki05 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 On 8/6/2018 at 5:29 AM, rtmohanlal said: the audacity to compare a proven legend who scored over 13500(still larger than the 2nd best Ponting) runs at 59.35 facing several sub 25 bowlers in general & facing much higher pressure of expectations in general & that too with 44.6+ avg: in all countries during this time span to a talented youngster who has barely touched 6000 runs. 'Foolishness' is the single word that comes to mind. Even wisden consider him 2nd best after bradman. Link to comment
raki05 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 On 8/6/2018 at 6:48 PM, UnknownGenius said: Kohli has surpasses Sachin as batsman I'm all formats of the game Also Dravid was a better test batsman than selfish tendulkar and MSD a better ODI batsman than Tendy Overall tendulkar is not a top 3 indian test or ODI player But he is still 2nd best of all time after bradman. Link to comment
raki05 Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 On 8/6/2018 at 11:12 PM, putrevus said: You are giving me pitches on which other team scored 550 plus as Sachin mastery over sub 25 bowlers.There is a reason why Sachin's innings never made wisden top 100 and there is a reason why his career ratings never reached 900. Mastering sub 25 bowler doesn't necessarily mean how fluently he scored against them, rather it is seeing them off and then scoring once settled down. BTW Azher Mahmood has an inning in top 100 , do you also consider him greater than tendulkar and kallis. Link to comment
velu Posted August 9, 2018 Author Share Posted August 9, 2018 52 minutes ago, raki05 said: Mastering sub 25 bowler doesn't necessarily mean how fluently he scored against them, rather it is seeing them off and then scoring once settled down. BTW Azher Mahmood has an inning in top 100 , do you also consider him greater than tendulkar and kallis. if someone has has better stats + top rated innings , he will be rated higher than someone having stats only.. to make it simpler for you , dhoni and bevan have simialr stats , but people will rate him higher because of his few macth winnign innings like THAT wc final Link to comment
velu Posted August 9, 2018 Author Share Posted August 9, 2018 1 hour ago, raki05 said: Even wisden consider him 2nd best after bradman. for his consistency .. you would pick that but you ignore wisden 100 innings Link to comment
kira Posted August 9, 2018 Share Posted August 9, 2018 6 minutes ago, velu said: for his consistency .. you would pick that but you ignore wisden 100 innings No one is ignoring anything, who cares if wisden didn't put his innings in top 100 innings, they still rated him second best of all time, this is what matters the most. Link to comment
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