Why do some South Indians can speak Hindi fluently while many can't?

[Lannister]

14 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

Coffee ok, I will remove my reaction. That is, my bad.

 

maybe you should try preaching to the other guy who seems to like ordering things and who has a nasty habit of talking down to everyone.

 

And that the mods allow this is another thing altogether. Yeah yeah I know there's a report button and all.

Moderation on this platform is still the same. Allowing the usual suspects to post racially provocative comments against South Indians and then acting surprised when it blows up. It's a waste of time. I don’t even know why I bothered coming here. Now this platform is just a far-right cesspool.

[Lannister]

51 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

@Lannister bro I think you should point out and post the real things that can actually make positive effect on improving lifes of local citizens. Such as this.

 

https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/explained-law/karnataka-job-reservation-locals-domicile-9466692/

If I make a thread on that, all the racists will crawl out of the woodwork. Nope, I’m just here to chat about the cultural side of things. Not politics. 

[Muloghonto]

4 hours ago, Lannister said:

It’s a mix of culture and inbreeding, isn't it? It’s easy to imagine how things can go downhill fast when your group is in charge of any society. 

Absolutely correct as to what the problem with the southies are. too much inbreeding. as shown.

checkmate.

 

[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, Lannister said:

Moderation on this platform is still the same. Allowing the usual suspects to post racially provocative comments against South Indians and then acting surprised when it blows up. It's a waste of time. I don’t even know why I bothered coming here. Now this platform is just a far-right cesspool.

You reap what you sow, dimwit. YOU are the one who made a comment about northies and inbreeding and i just showed you the mirror on the southies on the same topic. 

 

[coffee_rules]

23 hours ago, Mariyam said:

 Spot on.

 

Entrepreneurs/ entrepreneurial communities learn local language(s) where ever they migrate. Marwaris in Bengal speak fluent Bengali. Bohris in Coimbatore speak Tamil.

Gujjus in Kenya/Tanzania speak Swahili. Jain diamond traders in Antwerpen speak Flemish. Sindhi merchants in the Gulf nations speak Arabic. 

 

Since the emergence of Bangalore as an IT hub, you have an influx of IT nerds into the city. They smash away at the keyboard in C++/Python or whatever for 8 hours a day. Spend 4 hours commuting and order in from Swiggy/ Zomato. They just don't have the bandwidth to learn Kannada.

That they are looked at with derision is unfair, given that they simply don't have the time to learn anything new/ so starkly different.

 

That said, Doctors especially those who had to do their last year/ RMO stint rurally almost always learn the local language.

 

The entire language scuffle isn't as geography/ demography related as it is occupation based.

 

 

I am not talking about the people who are entrepeneurs and interact with local people for their livelihood. It is futile for them if they don't learn it. 

 

The IT hub people, I know from the 90s who have come from Kerala, AP, TN, WB, MH, Delhi etc have no interest in learning local language. They struggled to talk to maids, cooks, autowallahs, but wouldn't learn it as it is not needed in daily life. With all the migration of over decades, Bangalore has about 20% local language people. On top of it, they insist on speaking in Hindi and get beaten up by local crowd. The resentment is ever raising because of their attitude. 

 

When I went back and worked for 2 years, the office had different language groups talking in their language, some even during meetings and switch to English with others who don't understand.  Same with Kannada speakers as well (although we would speak in all languages ).  Most security guards are from NE, waiters,  working staff are non-local, it's already a mess. In the name of being a cosmopolitan city , the local language, culture is getting ghettoised. I live in South Bangalore which is still old-style Kannada-speaking community. Rest of the Bangalore doesm't feel like it is in Karnataka.

 

Hence the push for local people in blue-collar jobs is getting support from local people.

Edited October 2, 2024 by coffee_rules

[Lannister]

14 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

You reap what you sow, dimwit. YOU are the one who made a comment about northies and inbreeding and i just showed you the mirror on the southies on the same topic. 

 

Yeah, yeah. It's the other guy from your own caste who's complaining about it, not me. I don't run to the mods when I see your racist comments. I am an absolute free-speech guy.

[Muloghonto]

10 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Yeah, yeah. It's the other guy from your own caste who's complaining about it, not me. I don't run to the mods when I see your racist comments. I am an absolute free-speech guy.

Nothng racist about my comment, since you are not a separate race, nor does race actually exist. 

But trust a gora bootlicker to also aborb his white master's created concept of race. 

 

But hey, your intellectual awareness and understanding of the world is so shallow that you literally are trying to use an aspect ( inbreeding) to make fun of people who are far less inbred than your community in the first place. Par for the course for a dimwitted fool i'd say. 

 

Also, saying 'if moderation was good, these people would be banned but what to do onlee' doesn't make you a free speech guy, it makes you a fascist censoring dude who just is too lazy to partake in free speech supression but sure wishes it was so.

It makes you even worse than the other guy because the other guy is at least willing to back his convictions, which you aint.

But thats what you get for having low-iq via mass scale inbreeding. 

 

 

Edited October 2, 2024 by Muloghonto

[coffee_rules]

5 minutes ago, Lannister said:

Yeah, yeah. It's the other guy from your own caste who's complaining about it, not me. I don't run to the mods when I see your racist comments. I am an absolute free-speech guy.

 

There is nothing like absolute FS when you bring in caste and abuse. It is banned in India under sections 153A, 295 and 295A in the IPC.This is a Indian-CF website, has its norms to follow. How do you know we both are of same caste and Why TF is it it important in this thread? Everytime anybody abuses on caste lines, it is a big no-no. Maybe some mod like @Austin 3:!6 can clarify. I don't care for other insults like in-breeding etc. 

[Lannister]

23 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Nothng racist about my comment, since you are not a separate race, nor does race actually exist. 

But trust a gora bootlicker to also aborb his white master's created concept of race. 

 

But hey, your intellectual awareness and understanding of the world is so shallow that you literally are trying to use an aspect ( inbreeding) to make fun of people who are far less inbred than your community in the first place. Par for the course for a dimwitted fool i'd say. 

 

We belong to different ethnic groups, moron. We both differ in our castes, ethnicities, languages and even our racial backgrounds. You are free to hurl racist comments at me, I don't care. I told you I am a free-speech absolutist.

Edited October 2, 2024 by Lannister

[Muloghonto]

11 minutes ago, Lannister said:

We belong to different ethnic groups, moron. We both differ in our castes, ethnicities, languages and even our racial backgrounds. You are free to hurl racist comments at me, I don't care. I told you I am a free-speech absolutist.

ethnic groups are not races, moron. 

There is no such thing as race or racial background. For an alleged worshipper of science, you sure like to peddle white people created nonsense unscientific ideas like race very well. Suddenly then science goes for a hike, coz your white master's ideas are always valid according to the gungadeen bootlicker. 

So much for your 'muh science' claims.

And i told you, free speech absolutists dont make wishful thinking about restricting free speech like you do here: 

 

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Moderation on this platform is still the same. Allowing the usual suspects to post racially provocative comments against South Indians and then acting surprised when it blows up

 

That doesnt make you a free speech absolutist, that makes you a lazy free speech supressinng fascist. But then again, your IQ may be artificially capped due to inbreeding as demonstrated amongst your community. 

 

Edited October 2, 2024 by Muloghonto

[Chaos]

@coffee_rules should i get involved in this thread? 

[Mariyam]

On 10/1/2024 at 10:51 PM, Muloghonto said:

That isnt decolonized version at all. Because language is controlled by the NATIVE speakers of a given language. As evidence, you can see the western concept of 'sex, not gender' being infitrated into desi peoples english as well, despite our language and culture having no word to denote  sex and gender separately. 

 

What english fluency has done, is let western interests and cultural axioms infiltrate Indian culture. Because of language link from them to us but not the other way round. As East Asia has shown, we do not need to teach our children english to progress further in the world. 

Also, English is a highly primitive language - its far inferior to pretty much every indian language in terms of grammar, accuracy of expressions and wordplay. I see no reason  to sponsor such a language, that not only comes in as a cultural infiitration tool and is a language of the imperialist, but also a highly shitty language as language goes. 

 

I ask, as a matter of academic interest, how exactly is English  inferior to Indian languages in terms of grammar, accuracy of expression and wordplay?

 

 

How do you rank the major languages the world over on the inferior-superior scale? Does your grading take into account tonality inherent in a language? 

[Muloghonto]

11 minutes ago, Mariyam said:

I ask, as a matter of academic interest, how exactly is English  inferior to Indian languages in terms of grammar, accuracy of expression and wordplay?

 

 

How do you rank the major languages the world over on the inferior-superior scale? Does your grading take into account tonality inherent in a language? 

1. English does not have authoritative definitions like Sanskrit/French/German does. Meaning, what is the definition of a word, is dictated by popular usage, not by any linguistic authority

2. English does not have vowel consistency- which is basic to any script structure, as script is visual representation of sounds a language makes. If Do is 'doo', then 'go'should be goo, lo, should be loo, etc. 

3. Silent letters- completely irrational 

4. English sentence structure is cumbersome and not concise. Sentences like ' i am going for a walk' is too many words and gramatically be more concise like Indian or chinese languages, where we say ( ami haathte jacchi),which is ' i walking going'. 

 

I rank languages as superior-inferior based on morphology, conciseness, vowel & phoenetic consistency. By these parameters,English and most european languages are equivalent to doing maths with Roman numerals over desi numerals - gets the job done, but is messy,cumbersome and non-intuitive. 

 

English learning patterns show us why it is a far inferior language to most Indian languages : we learn Indian languages by learning set of rules and once learnt, we are equipped with parsing 99% of literature in our languages. 

English however, your job is only 10% done by learning the rules, then it comes to learning all the exception clauses to why rules dont apply here, why this word is pronounced/written different, why the tenses dont line up, etc.  
As a result, English is much harder to learn, as it is basically learning by rote memory a bunch of illogical and nonsense structures, while learning hindi/bengali/sanskrit etc. is like learning a set of rules like a math or a science and having 99% of your scope fall under the said rules.

 

[Ranvir]

From what I've seen, the ones from Karnataka can speak it, some from Andhra/Telegana, not many from Kerela. Tamils despise it. 

[Muloghonto]

25 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

From what I've seen, the ones from Karnataka can speak it, some from Andhra/Telegana, not many from Kerela. Tamils despise it. 

That's coz Kerala and TN are bastions of anti-India dravidian periyarist ideologies. 

 

[coffee_rules]

Perp gets fired or loses job , stabs the bus conductor in Bengaluru. Name: Harsha Sinha from Jharkhand . Migrants story turns tragic. Too many people moving in for jobs . Hope the poor bus conductor survives
 

https://www.deccanherald.com/india/karnataka/bengaluru/recenty-fired-bpo-employee-stabs-bus-conductor-in-bengalurus-whitefield-3215915

[Singh bling]

4 hours ago, Mariyam said:

I ask, as a matter of academic interest, how exactly is English  inferior to Indian languages in terms of grammar, accuracy of expression and wordplay?

 

 

How do you rank the major languages the world over on the inferior-superior scale? Does your grading take into account tonality inherent in a language? 

[coffee_rules]

51 minutes ago, Singh bling said:

Love English?

 

 

[Lannister]

On 10/1/2024 at 10:37 PM, Mariyam said:

They just don't have the bandwidth to learn Kannada.

That they are looked at with derision is unfair, given that they simply don't have the time to learn anything new/ so starkly different.

Should a business offering essential services be allowed to run if it fails to serve Kannadigas in their preferred language? 

[Muloghonto]

1 minute ago, Lannister said:

Should a business offering essential services be allowed to run if it fails to serve Kannadigas in their preferred language? 

aren;t you pro-freedom or is that just something inbred dimwits just say for fun ? a business in india has the freedom to run in hebrew only if they wish - you have the option of not giving them your business.