Why do some South Indians can speak Hindi fluently while many can't?

[Lannister]

19 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

aren;t you pro-freedom or is that just something inbred dimwits just say for fun ? a business in india has the freedom to run in hebrew only if they wish - you have the option of not giving them your business. 

 

What? No racial or derogatory comments aimed at South Indians?

[Lannister]

 

Fully endorse this.

@Muloghonto South Indians learn English for the same reasons you and your Khandan did.

Edited October 3, 2024 by Lannister

[Ranvir]

9 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

That's coz Kerala and TN are bastions of anti-India dravidian periyarist ideologies. 

 

Hindi is completely different to their native languages, it must be very hard for them to learn it. Like an English person learning Greek. 

[coffee_rules]

6 minutes ago, Ranvir said:

Hindi is completely different to their native languages, it must be very hard for them to learn it. Like an English person learning Greek. 

English is tougher to learn. Almost 70% of Malayalam borrows from Sanskrit and Tamil about 25%. Hindi is not tough to learn compared to English. It’s mostly political 

[singhvivek141]

5 hours ago, Lannister said:

Should a business offering essential services be allowed to run if it fails to serve Kannadigas in their preferred language? 

Why does an IT employee whose entire day is either spent coding or talking to client in English be forced to learn Kannada ? Unless they have plans to settle ?
I know many folks, who went to Bengaluru post B.tech, worked for two or three years in a IT company and then moved back to their home towns or cities nearby. For them learning Kannada will serve no purpose.

I know a person from Chennai who was in my company, stayed in Hyderabad for 7 years and owned a flat. He never learned Hyderabadi Hindi, just learned basic words of Telugu and mostly survived on English.
Post Covid, he sold his house and moved back to his hometown to take care of his old parents. He already had enough dependencies in his life, no one burdened him additionally by forcing him to learn Telugu.

We need to understand here that migrating population in Bengaluru, Hyderabad, Pune are mostly IT employees. Who leave their hometowns in search of a better income and future. Most of them are alone in the big city with no relatives and families. They already have enough challenges in their day to day lives. As long as they aren't involved into something illegal or anti-social, we don't need to dance on their heads and force them to live life on our own terms.

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, Ranvir said:

Hindi is completely different to their native languages, it must be very hard for them to learn it. Like an English person learning Greek. 

Malyali's are quick learners. I know many folks personally who picked up Hindi quite fast.

[singhvivek141]

15 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

That's coz Kerala and TN are bastions of anti-India dravidian periyarist ideologies. 

 

Let's avoid saying it, many Keralities and Tamilians are very much national and don't believe in this Aryan-Dravidian divide once they mature.
It's not their fault that state govt. books are filled up with such communist theories which they as students can't understand and hence believe to be true.
Even many local TV channels are also state sponsored and promote these ideologies. 

[Nikhil_cric]

42 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Why does an IT employee whose entire day is either spent coding or talking to client in English be forced to learn Kannada ? Unless they have plans to settle ?
I know many folks, who went to Bengaluru post B.tech, worked for two or three years in a IT company and then moved back to their home towns or cities nearby. For them learning Kannada will serve no purpose.

I know a person from Chennai who was in my company, stayed in Hyderabad for 7 years and owned a flat. He never learned Hyderabadi Hindi, just learned basic words of Telugu and mostly survived on English.
Post Covid, he sold his house and moved back to his hometown to take care of his old parents. He already had enough dependencies in his life, no one burdened him additionally by forcing him to learn Telugu.

We need to understand here that migrating population in Bengaluru, Hyderabad, Pune are mostly IT employees. Who leave their hometowns in search of a better income and future. Most of them are alone in the big city with no relatives and families. They already have enough challenges in their day to day lives. As long as they aren't involved into something illegal or anti-social, we don't need to dance on their heads and force them to live life on our own terms.

I agree with this.  Nobody should be forced to learn any language either way . It simply breeds resentment because language is a very touchy issue. 

 

Those "basic" words should be enough.   You can easily complete a conversation with broken Hindi on the one side and a broken South Indian language on the other. 

 

Of all the issues plaguing this country , it's the most overrated. 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

23 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

I agree with this.  Nobody should be forced to learn any language either way . It simply breeds resentment because language is a very touchy issue. 

 

Those "basic" words should be enough.   You can easily complete a conversation with broken Hindi on the one side and a broken South Indian language on the other. 

 

Of all the issues plaguing this country , it's the most overrated. 

 

 

The issue is not about IT folks having to learn learning Kannada. Businesses and public services that interact with local people insist on people speak in Hindi. I have eeen videos of Bank employees yelling at customers to speak in the “National Language” in tier-2/3 towns or even villages. bank forms are available on English or Hindi and not available in Lannada. Recently there was huge outrage over Swiggy delivery boy dropping food not knowing Kannada . The customer service lady says why can’t you speak in Hindi as it is our National language. 
 

Once I had ordered on Swiggy for my mom from here. The delivery guy called my mom asking for directions in Hindi. My mom doesn’t know it fluently. She called me and put me on landline  speaker and I gave him directions to delivery. For businesses dealing with local people , the local government should regulate businesses to speak in local languages. 

Edited October 3, 2024 by coffee_rules

[Nikhil_cric]

7 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

The issue is not about IT folks having to learn learning Kannada. Businesses and public services that interact with local people insist on people speak in Hindi. I have eeen videos of Bank employees yelling at customers to speak in the “National Language” in tier-2/3 towns or even villages. bank forms are available on English or Hindi and not available in Lannada. Recently there was huge outrage over Swiggy delivery boy dropping food not knowing Kannada . The customer service lady says why can’t you speak in Hindi as it is our National language. 
 

Once I had ordered on Swiggy for my mom from here. The delivery guy called my mom asking for directions in Hindi. My mom doesn’t know it fluently. She called me and put me on landline  speaker and I gave him directions to delivery. For businesses dealing with local people , the local government should regulate businesses to speak in local languages. 

This I agree with. Businesses and Public services should be available in the local language as well. 

 

Delivery guy not knowing is OK but customer service has to be provided in 3 languages at least. 

 

 

[bowl_out]

16 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Love English?

 

 

 

Funny. English spellings are crazy.. Bus is pronounced बस, but Bush is बुश . How Ba becomes Bu just adding 'h', no one knows.

 

Hindi has some crazy things too that navtive Hindi speakers probably don't realize.

As a South Indian who went to college in the North, my biggest two pain points with Hindi (aside from having to learn Hindi) were:

 

1.  Numbers - Hindi is the only language that I have come across where numbers are read backwards. Sometimes, the numbers are also so random.

                        64 is sixty four in English, Aruvathi naalu in Tamil, Aravai Nalagu in Telugu, but only Hindi has it as Chou sat (ones place is said before tens)

                        50 is Pachas.. Shouldn't fifty one be Pachas ek?? Why the frack is it Ikyavan? Who came up with this? 

                        90 is Nabbe. 99 should be Nabbe Nau, but no. It is Ninyanve.

 

2. Genders - Assigning feminine gender to random things like river and a bunch of other non-living things.. The verb changes with the gender.. So hard to understand if you are not used to it. 

 

 

Edited October 3, 2024 by bowl_out

[bowl_out]

2 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

English is tougher to learn. Almost 70% of Malayalam borrows from Sanskrit and Tamil about 25%. Hindi is not tough to learn compared to English. It’s mostly political 

Hindi and Sanskrit are very different. The only common thing is the script.

[bowl_out]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

Why does an IT employee whose entire day is either spent coding or talking to client in English be forced to learn Kannada ? Unless they have plans to settle ?
I know many folks, who went to Bengaluru post B.tech, worked for two or three years in a IT company and then moved back to their home towns or cities nearby. For them learning Kannada will serve no purpose.

I know a person from Chennai who was in my company, stayed in Hyderabad for 7 years and owned a flat. He never learned Hyderabadi Hindi, just learned basic words of Telugu and mostly survived on English.
Post Covid, he sold his house and moved back to his hometown to take care of his old parents. He already had enough dependencies in his life, no one burdened him additionally by forcing him to learn Telugu.

We need to understand here that migrating population in Bengaluru, Hyderabad, Pune are mostly IT employees. Who leave their hometowns in search of a better income and future. Most of them are alone in the big city with no relatives and families. They already have enough challenges in their day to day lives. As long as they aren't involved into something illegal or anti-social, we don't need to dance on their heads and force them to live life on our own terms.

 

I am not a big fan of forcing anyone to learn a language.

If a person lives in Bangalore through his adult life, I don't care if he doesn't learn Kannada.

But if his kid goes to school in Bangalore, the kid should learn Kannada.

 

My point is that just because Bangalore became an IT Hub, it shouldn't lose its cultural identity. Any kid that grows up in Karnataka needs to understand its language and culture. 

 

On the flipside, the people coming in shouldn't demand services in their language.. Case in point : Hindi in Bangalore metro. 

Bangalore has had people from other states moving in for decades. My grandparents moved to Bangalore in the 60s, integrated with the local culture, learnt Kannada. They never demanded services in their native language Tamil. I know 100s of such families. It is only now, with the IT boom and influx of people from the North that suddenly everyone has to be serviced in Hindi. The line that I hate the most is "Yahan Karnatak mein sab log Kannad hi bolte hain." Acknowledge that you have moved to a different state. Learn to at least say the name of the state and its language correctly.

[coffee_rules]

8 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

Hindi and Sanskrit are very different. The only common thing is the script.

 

I meant Hindi has a lot of root words from Sanskrit just like all other Indian languages. I don't mean the Bollywoodiszed Hindustani bol which has a lot of urdu and persian words along with Hindi. Bhoomi/Desh/Desha/Desham is there in all south Indian languages and it is not zameen/mulk in Hindustani. 

[Muloghonto]

7 hours ago, Lannister said:

What? No racial or derogatory comments aimed at South Indians?

you still cling to your white master's nonsense anti-scientific ideology of race ? So much for 'muh science'. 

[Muloghonto]

6 hours ago, Lannister said:

 

Fully endorse this.

@Muloghonto South Indians learn English for the same reasons you and your Khandan did.

Bullshit reason. The germans/japanese/koreans/tsiwanese dont need to learn english to access capital. 

We need link language, not local language bullshit.

 

[coffee_rules]

17 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

 

Funny. English spellings are crazy.. Bus is pronounced बस, but Bush बुश . How Ba becomes Bu, no one knows.

 

Hindi has some crazy things too that navtive Hindi speakers probably don't realize.

As a South Indian who went to college in the North, my biggest two pain points with Hindi (aside from having to learn Hindi) were:

 

1.  Numbers - Hindi is the only language that I have come across where numbers are read backwards. Sometimes, the numbers are also so random.

                        64 is sixty four in English, Aruvathi naalu in Tamil, Aravai Nalagu in Telugu, but only Hindi has it as Chou sat (ones place is said before tens)

                        50 is Pachas.. Shouldn't fifty one be Pachas ek?? Why the frack is it Ikyavan? Who came up with this? 

                        90 is Nabbe. 99 should be Nabbe Nau, but no. It is Ninyanve.

 

2. Genders - Assigning feminine gender to random things like river and a bunch of other non-living things.. The verb changes with the gender.. So hard to understand if you are not used to it. 

 

 

 

Yes, two painful things one has to learn over time for Hindi,

Interestingly, this gender specific words is there even in French and Spanish. I use a mental translator for numbers. Translate it to English/Kannada and even after so many years it is still hard to decipher - gyaarah lakh ad sat hazaar che sau pichathar to real numbers. Head is already spinning.

 

Hindi is one of the unique languages (there are few others) that have unique numbers from 1  through 99.  In most languages it is from 1 to 19 including English and rest are derivations of 10s, 100s etc. In Kannada ipatthu, moovatthu all mean  2 10s and 3 20s from Hatthu (10). It is both frustrating and fascinating.

[bowl_out]

9 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

I meant Hindi has a lot of root words from Sanskrit just like all other Indian languages. I don't mean the Bollywoodiszed Hindustani bol which has a lot of urdu and persian words along with Hindi. Bhoomi/Desh/Desha/Desham is there in all south Indian languages and it is not zameen/mulk in Hindustani. 

Yes, many people who advocate Sanskrit think it is similar to Hindi, but it isn't.

If anything South Indian languages have more in common with Sanskrit than Hindi, because Tamil, Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam and Sanskrit are all classical languages.

 

Hindi is a mish mash of many new languages. It has Persian words with Sanskrit's script.

[coffee_rules]

1 minute ago, bowl_out said:

Yes, many people who advocate Sanskrit think it is similar to Hindi, but it isn't.

If anything South Indian languages have more in common with Sanskrit than Hindi, because Tamil, Telugu, Kannada, Malayalam and Sanskrit are all classical languages.

 

Hindi is a mish mash of many new languages. It has Persian words with Sanskrit's script.

 

Earlier this year, I had been to Kashi and the Hindi there is shuddh bhasha. Very similar to the classical languages. Yeh bhasha bhrasht ho gaya hain. 

[singhvivek141]

6 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

 

I am not a big fan of forcing anyone to learn a language.

If a person lives in Bangalore through his adult life, I don't care if he doesn't learn Kannada.

But if his kid goes to school in Bangalore, the kid should learn Kannada.

 

My point is that just because Bangalore became an IT Hub, it shouldn't lose its cultural identity. Any kid that grows up in Karnataka needs to understand its language and culture. 

 

On the flipside, the people coming in shouldn't demand services in their language.. Case in point : Hindi in Bangalore metro. 

Bangalore has had people from other states moving in for decades. My grandparents moved to Bangalore in the 60s, integrated with the local culture, learnt Kannada. They never demanded services in their native language Tamil. I know 100s of such families. It is only now, with the IT boom and influx of people from the North that suddenly everyone has to be serviced in Hindi. The line that I hate the most is "Yahan Karnatak mein sab log Kannad hi bolte hain." Acknowledge that you have moved to a different state. Learn to at least say the name of the state and its language correctly.

Good points,
I know that there are some rotten apples who behave that way. Mostly the spoilt kids whose every wish is fulfilled by their parents, and hence they behave in that fashion.

I would also blame our education, state boards and CBSE specially don't pay any attention to the languages and states of our country. When you don't understand the culture, there will always be a reluctance.

On bold point I disagree with you though. Every state has it's own official languages alongside Hindi and English (which are official languages at Center)...for ex. Telangana has Hindi, English, Urdu and Telugu. You produce your docs in any of the 4 languages and it's acceptable. So even if Hindi is written in the Bengaluru metro or used in announcements, I don't think anyone should have a problem with it. Make Kannada as primary, and let Hindi and English be under it as tertiary languages.