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coffee_rules Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Alam_dar said: For me it is fully ok if she was not by force imposing Christianity upon the others, but trying to win the favours by serving the humanity. Muslims and Hindus and Atheists are also free to provide such services to people in India and compete with her. Conversion is cultural genocide, is a form of genocide and they come in peace, just like ROP. Bunch of hypocrites. diga and asterix 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 2 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Conversion is cultural genocide, is a form of genocide and they come in peace, just like ROP. Bunch of hypocrites. Forced conversion is a crime, but Conversion according to own's wish is total human. Hindus in India are totally free to preach Hinduism. And they are also free to preach in whole world. Why do you think that Bhagwan want him to be worshipped only in India? It is illogical. Perhaps missionaries trying to preach in 3rd world countries, but in their own lands of origin and strength, Christians are converting to atheism at the fastest speed. (It is wrong that Islam is the fastest spreading religion, but it is atheism which is the fastest spreading ideology). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turning_track Posted July 13, 2018 Share Posted July 13, 2018 Quote Forced conversion is a crime, but Conversion according to own's wish is total human. @Alam_dar Most tribals who are targetted are illiterate, they're lured to convert by giving help of different kinds such as ration items, pucca housing etc. Do you really think one day they'd unexpectedly be enlightened by the Christ? The missionaries regularly visit them to encourage the new faith & have them attend mass prayers. It is just like how Portuguese did with natives of Goa centuries back, that was way brutal. This is much more subtle, with missionaries being shown as benevolent savior by helping the poor. The place where I come from conversion (forceful) by missionaries is a big issue but the topic takes a backseat in the local media leave aside the national mainstream media which is primarily based in Delhi-NCR & Mumbai. The reason even the local media is showing restraint in their approach is because nothing comes out of it. Police are helpless due to huge political pressure, even if the padres are caught they openly admit that they were converting but not forcefully. First of all cases are not filed & even if somehow they are filed, due to lack of evidence courts rule out the case. Quote Hindus in India are totally free to preach Hinduism. And they are also free to preach in whole world.Why do you think that Bhagwan want him to be worshipped only in India? It is illogical. Yes, they are free to preach but they can only do the preaching as ISKCON has done around the world. They don't care what color you are, which race or religion. But Hindu organizations are nowhere near in terms of fighting Gulf's oil money or Vatican's NGO web. How could they when one of their most revered Tirupati Balaji temple has been targetted unnecessarily in the past? Can this ever happen in Vatican city or Mecca? Quote Perhaps missionaries trying to preach in 3rd world countries, but in their own lands of origin and strength, Christians are converting to atheism at the fastest speed. (It is wrong that Islam is the fastest spreading religion, but it is atheism which is the fastest spreading ideology). The flag bearers of modern Christianity will be then located in some Latin America or African country rather than Italy or Portugal. Demographic change is a very potent weapon being used in India since decades & the consequences we're currently witnessing is just a small example. This process started aggressively way back in start of the 80s & now it is mostly the 2nd/3rd generation we are dealing with. DHONI_FANN and Alam_dar 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gollum Posted December 3, 2020 Share Posted December 3, 2020 Yogi bad, YSR good. Modi bad, Mamata good. First tax ONLY Hindu temples, mutts, ashrams, then spend that money for Jerusalem and Haj subsidy. Secularism my foot. Jagan Reddy’s Christian politics is under fire for ‘burdening exchequer’ & ‘conversions’ Reddy has hiked financial aid to Christian pilgrims in latest sop to the community, drawing opposition’s ire. But government says ‘not doing anything special’. Quote Hyderabad: In the nearly six months since he took over as Andhra Pradesh chief minister, Y.S.R. Jagan Mohan Reddy has taken several decisions for the Christian community in the state, drawing criticism from the opposition. While Andhra Pradesh has had a department in operation for decades to provide benefits to minority communities, the incentives for Christians now are seen as being open-handed from a CM belonging to the same community. Reddy and his family hailing from Kadapa district of Rayalaseema are followers of Christianity. Earlier this week, Reddy’s government enhanced financial assistance to Christian pilgrims visiting Jerusalem in Israel and other Biblical places from Rs 40,000 to Rs 60,000 (for those with annual income up to Rs 3 lakh), and from Rs 20,000 to Rs 30,000 (for those with annual income over Rs 3 lakh). The latest move comes on the back of an order issued on 27 August, when Reddy’s government allowed the state sponsored tour period of the Biblical places to be enhanced from eight to 10 days. In its order, the government also permitted the Christian pilgrims from the state availing the scheme to visit four more places — Madaba Church of the Apostles (Jordan), Virgin Mary Tomb, Solomon’s Temple and Mount Moriah (all in Israel). Reddy’s decisions were announced soon after his return from his first visit abroad to Jerusalem along with his family in August. ‘Burdening the exchequer’ Reddy’s “personal” trip to Jerusalem came under fire from the opposition after the Andhra Pradesh government spent Rs 22.5 lakh on it, stating that cost was towards security arrangements. The statement came even after an earlier state government order about the Ministry of External Affairs’ approval for the trip had said that the visit was “purely personal and the expenditure shall be borne by the dignitary”. “Public money is being utilised for a personal religious visit undertaken by the CM, burdening the exchequer,” Lanka Dinakar, a BJP leader who was with the TDP earlier, had said. TDP activists too raised such questions on social media. In August, the Reddy government issued another order to provide for an honorarium of Rs 5,000 per month for pastors. To know their numbers in the state for budget allocation and allowance disbursal, the government has asked the district collectors to enumerate the pastors through a survey. While the process is underway, the government is preparing to fulfill other YSR Congress Party manifesto promises for the Christian community — like plots and house construction for pastors, and financial assistance of Rs 1 lakh for wedding of Christian girls, among others. The BJP has criticised such moves “as deplorable, and as case of state sponsored religious conversions”. Right-wing activists allege Reddy’s regime as becoming conducive for conversions, rise in the number of church buildings — legally or illegally — in the state. Video posts on social media recently alleged evangelical activities as being carried out in village/ward secretariat buildings inaugurated by the YSRCP government. Shifting from its neutral position on religious matters, opposition leader N. Chandrababu Naidu’s TDP also has lately been implicitly accusing Jagan as pro-Christian and anti-Hindu. ‘Not doing anything special’ Speaking to ThePrint, Md Illiyas Rizvi, principal secretary, minority welfare department said, “The schemes and financial aid for Christians in the state are similar to what Muslims and other religious minorities receive like the Haj pilgrim assistance. “For that matter, these benefits are same like what the poor among the majority community receive in the state. Pastors’ houses initiative broadly falls under the housing schemes for the poor category; likewise is the wedding assistance for Christian girls,” Rizvi said. “Our government is not doing anything special or out of turn for the Christians,” Rizvi told ThePrint. According to officials, Andhra Pradesh has seven lakh Christians, constituting about 1.4 per cent of the total population as per 2011 Census. However, the number of followers of the faith is estimated to be higher in the state. “Many among the Scheduled Castes (especially in Coastal Andhra), have embraced Christianity while remaining Hindus on paper. They are ineligible for Christian benefits,” an official in the minority welfare department said. Reddy’s father Y.S. Rajasekhara Reddy — also a devout Christian, who had also visited Bethlehem and prayed at the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem during his tenure as the CM of united Andhra Pradesh — never faced such religion based censure. “This shows that the criticism now is to target Jagan on religious grounds,” the official above who didn’t wish to be named said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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