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Has Ashwin finally closed the case for playing spinners in tests in SENA?


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18 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

If you want to take wickets you need to tweak. Otherwise you will end up bowling lot of overs and doing nothing. Moeen Ali doesn't have any magic deliveries. HE just aggressively tweaks, spins.  Overspin, drift. Ashwin relies on ball helping him rather him helping the ball especially when it is not SG ball.

No, yes tweaking matters when pitch is less helpful but when there is rough, you just need to put the ball in that rough patch accurately and consistently and the rough does it for you even if you are not tweaking it, which is what Moeen did.

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9 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Bumrah got injured during the game so there was nothing in Bumrah's case.  it is the mistake of individual player when they play despite not feeling fit.  A player needs to tell the management that he is not fit to play. How would management know otherwise if he is fit or not.  Anyway, Ashwin did not show any signs of injury while in the field or while batting.

Don't agree about that..but yes the player has the main responsibility.

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22 minutes ago, The Dark Horse said:

Don't agree about that..but yes the player has the main responsibility.

Especially the injuries which are not visible, like muscle injuries.  A player will have to tell the captain whether that injury is affecting him or not.  Same was the case with BK.  How would team management know he is still not fit.  He bowled in the nets and when he looked fit while bowling in the nets, they played him.  It is not visible until a player tells that he still has it.  And it is not the first time such a thing has happened in Indian cricket.  Players do hide their injuries and play.  They don't want other players to come in and take their chances.    

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Indian spinners in SENA countries in the last 30 years.

 

No one has done well.

 

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Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM AveAscending Econ SR 5 10  
A Kumble 1990-2008 35 67 1886.1 394 5224 141 8/141 12/279 37.04 2.76 80.2 5 1 investigate this query
Harbhajan Singh 1998-2011 19 34 799.2 108 2476 62 7/120 7/102 39.93 3.09 77.3 3 0 investigate this query
RA Jadeja 2013-2018 8 13 331.2 57 888 20 6/138 6/154 44.40 2.68 99.4 1 0 investigate this query
R Ashwin 2011-2018 15 25 633.2 102 1933 42 4/62 7/121 46.02 3.05 90.4 0 0 investigate this query
SLV Raju 1990-1996 10 17 429.0 124 936 20 3/11 5/132 46.80 2.18 128.7 0 0 investigate this query
SR Tendulkar 1990-2012 63 51 226.5 22 856 18 2/7 2/15 47.55 3.77 75.6 0 0 investigate this query
ND Hirwani 1990-1990 6 10 322.0 69 895 15 4/174 5/226 59.66 2.77 128.8 0 0 investigate this query
 

 

 

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Spinners in SENA countries in the last 30 years

 

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Overall figures
Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM AveAscending Econ SR 5 10  
SK Warne (AUS) 1993-2006 43 84 2158.3 629 5358 239 7/165 12/246 22.41 2.48 54.1 11 3 investigate this query
M Muralitharan (ICC/SL) 1995-2007 23 36 1262.4 288 3337 125 9/65 16/220 26.69 2.64 60.6 10 5 investigate this query
KA Maharaj (SA) 2016-2017 9 16 343.0 72 977 36 6/40 8/87 27.13 2.84 57.1 2 0 investigate this query
Mushtaq Ahmed (PAK) 1990-2001 19 31 859.2 193 2361 84 7/56 10/171 28.10 2.74 61.3 6 1 investigate this query
TBA May (AUS) 1993-1994 6 12 339.0 106 761 25 5/89 7/121 30.44 2.24 81.3 1 0 investigate this query
Shakib Al Hasan (BDESH) 2008-2017 8 12 271.1 32 870 28 6/99 6/99 31.07 3.20 58.1 3 0 investigate this query
NM Lyon (AUS) 2011-2018 19 36 686.1 142 2094 63 5/130 7/97 33.23 3.05 65.3 1 0 investigate this query
Saqlain Mushtaq (PAK) 1995-2003 11 17 503.1 116 1375 40 6/46 8/72 34.37 2.73 75.4 1 0 investigate this query
A Kumble (INDIA) 1990-2008 35 67 1886.1 394 5224 141 8/141 12/279 37.04 2.76 80.2 5 1 investigate this query
MN Hart (NZ) 1994-1995 6 10 306.1 88 710 19 5/77 8/134 37.36 2.31 96.6 1 0 investigate this query
CH Gayle (WI) 2000-2009 26 30 341.5 48 1019 27 5/34 6/81 37.74 2.98 75.9 1 0 investigate this query
PCR Tufnell (ENG) 1990-2000 17 30 837.3 241 1829 48 7/47 11/147 38.10 2.18 104.6 2 1 investigate this query
PR Adams (SA) 1998-2004 12 21 462.0 128 1147 30 4/63 5/119 38.23 2.48 92.4 0 0 investigate this query
DL Vettori (ICC/NZ) 1997-2011 26 39 1012.5 212 2711 70 6/87 8/229 38.72 2.67 86.8 5 0 investigate this query
Danish Kaneria (PAK) 2003-2010 17 33 863.1 134 2682 69 7/168 8/204 38.86 3.10 75.0 4 0 investigate this query
Saeed Ajmal (PAK) 2009-2013 8 14 379.2 60 1058 27 6/96 10/147 39.18 2.78 84.2 2 1 investigate this query
Harbhajan Singh (INDIA) 1998-2011 19 34 799.2 108 2476 62 7/120 7/102 39.93 3.09 77.3 3 0 investigate this query
PL Harris (SA) 2008-2009 7 12 256.0 42 725 18 3/84 5/155 40.27 2.83 85.3 0 0 investigate this query
GP Swann (ENG) 2009-2013 12 23 571.3 89 1816 43 5/54 9/164 42.23 3.17 79.7 3 0 investigate this query
HMRKB Herath (SL) 2005-2017 21 35 831.0 115 2437 57 5/79 9/128 42.75 2.93 87.4 2 0 investigate this query
AF Giles (ENG) 2002-2006 11 20 375.1 52 1138 26 4/101 6/191 43.76 3.03 86.5 0 0 investigate this query
RA Jadeja (INDIA) 2013-2018 8 13 331.2 57 888 20 6/138 6/154 44.40 2.68 99.4 1 0 investigate this query
MS Panesar (ENG) 2006-2013 11 19 413.1 94 1318 29 6/126 8/237 45.44 3.18 85.4 2 0 investigate this query
R Ashwin (INDIA) 2011-2018 15 25 633.2 102 1933 42 4/62 7/121 46.02 3.05 90.4 0 0 investigate this query
SLV Raju (INDIA) 1990-1996 10 17 429.0 124 936 20 3/11 5/132 46.80 2.18 128.7 0 0 investigate this query
SR Tendulkar (INDIA) 1990-2012 63 51 226.5 22 856 18 2/7 2/15 47.55 3.77 75.6 0 0 investigate this query
SJ Benn (WI) 2008-2015 9 13 400.0 76 1130 22 5/155 5/206 51.36 2.82 109.0 1 0 investigate this query
MD Craig (NZ) 2015-2015 5 10 205.5 34 807 15 3/73 5/121 53.80 3.92 82.3 0 0 investigate this query
Yasir Shah (PAK) 2016-2017 8 15 399.4 46 1507 27 6/72 10/141 55.81 3.77 88.8 2 1 investigate this query
CL Hooper (WI) 1988-1999 29 42 640.4 133 1611 28 4/75 5/138 57.53 2.51 137.2 0 0 investigate this query
ND Hirwani (INDIA) 1990-1990 6 10 322.0 69 895 15 4/174 5/226 59.66 2.77 128.8 0 0 investigate this query
MM Ali (ENG) 2015-2018 10 15 347.2 66 1119 15 4/69 7/116 74.60 3.22 138.9 0 0 investigate this query
 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, MultiB48 said:

Ball was turning at edgbaston and in the 2nd inning at rosebowl and spinners always have that extra hype due to their performance in home conditions also ind pacers over the yrs have not bowled very well in sena countries, so ppl dont have a lot of confidence in them ,they have to become more consistent and reliable .

Edgbaston had something for both pace and spin.

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