Mariyam Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 5 hours ago, Gollum said: Is gandagi ka ekmatr upaay hai....Uniform Civil Code. Mota bhai knows it, guarantee we'll get it before 2024. What exactly is this gandagi that you speak of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 5 hours ago, coffee_rules said: In logon ko char char biwiyan chahiye aur mandir ke upar bane masjidey. The incidence of polygamy among Hindus and Muslims is almost the same, with Hindus slightly ahead in the percentage of population by that community which is polygamous. https://scroll.in/article/669083/muslim-women-and-the-surprising-facts-about-polygamy-in-india Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 4 hours ago, Straight Drive said: Review likely to be dismissed?. Why would SC change its ruling after having taken a decision over a long time. Absolutely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Mariyam said: What exactly is this gandagi that you speak of? AIMPLB, quite obvious from the post I quoted. They are the ones against UCC. AIMPLB warns courts, legislatures against imposing UCC Edited November 17, 2019 by Gollum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Gollum said: AIMPLB, quite obvious from the post I quoted. They are the ones against UCC. AIMPLB warns courts, legislatures against imposing UCC Wasn't obvious. At least to me. Agree on the AIMPLB coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Mariyam said: The incidence of polygamy among Hindus and Muslims is almost the same, with Hindus slightly ahead in the percentage of population by that community which is polygamous. https://scroll.in/article/669083/muslim-women-and-the-surprising-facts-about-polygamy-in-india Protected by law, flaunting it are different. Hindu polygamy is a crime.. There have been numerous incidents of conversion to Muslim just before marriage to avoid prosecution and also to cover up corruption (some Bank CEO married his secretary to hide crores of property). It has to be stopped so, all have the same law atleast. Flaunting it will be even then. Why does it have to be defended everytime this is noted? Alam_dar and Muloghonto 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 47 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Protected by law, flaunting it are different. Hindu polygamy is a crime.. There have been numerous incidents of conversion to Muslim just before marriage to avoid prosecution and also to cover up corruption (some Bank CEO married his secretary to hide crores of property). It has to be stopped so, all have the same law atleast. Flaunting it will be even then. Why does it have to be defended everytime this is noted? Not 'defending' anything. Just calling you out on your rather reprehensible statement "In logo ko char char biwiyan chahiye". If that were true, you'd see polygamy rates among Muslims to be higher than that of other groups. But the reality is completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Mariyam said: Not 'defending' anything. Just calling you out on your rather reprehensible statement "In logo ko char char biwiyan chahiye". If that were true, you'd see polygamy rates among Muslims to be higher than that of other groups. But the reality is completely different. I wanted your opinion on this matter. Living in Middle East i found the general rule to be ‘ country bumpkins & rich elite types of upper middle to elite class want multiple wives but most of the working class and lower middle class stick with one wives’. Upon asking, a Muslim friend of mine I grew up with, calmly told me ‘ why would you want the headache of two women fighting over u in the same house and all for what ? Just more ‘poon’? Upon which I was in agreements ( yeah no ****. Most women are monogamous minded, there is no changing that, very few Muslim women do backflips upon realizing that the dude wants another wife/already has one. Females are females and that’s how they... do. As such, my experience is that polygamy amongst Muslims are stereotypically both true and untrue at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Mariyam said: Not 'defending' anything. Just calling you out on your rather reprehensible statement "In logo ko char char biwiyan chahiye". If that were true, you'd see polygamy rates among Muslims to be higher than that of other groups. But the reality is completely different. Apologize for being blunt. I am miffed with AIMPLB and referring to the AIMPLB folks only and not to the Muslim samuday in 'In logon ki'. I know that they don't represent the entire community and is a political entity created by Indira Gandhi/Nehru to garner votes. As a married man, I can speak for all married men, nobody wants the headache of managing multiple sets of issues, Ek kaafi hain ek zindagi mein. Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 8 hours ago, Muloghonto said: I wanted your opinion on this matter. Living in Middle East i found the general rule to be ‘ country bumpkins & rich elite types of upper middle to elite class want multiple wives but most of the working class and lower middle class stick with one wives’. Upon asking, a Muslim friend of mine I grew up with, calmly told me ‘ why would you want the headache of two women fighting over u in the same house and all for what ? Just more ‘poon’? Upon which I was in agreements ( yeah no ****. Most women are monogamous minded, there is no changing that, very few Muslim women do backflips upon realizing that the dude wants another wife/already has one. Females are females and that’s how they... do. As such, my experience is that polygamy amongst Muslims are stereotypically both true and untrue at the same time. In my experience there are two broad groups who exercise the polygamy option. The first group comprises of migrant rural semi skilled workers who have a wife back in the village and take a wife in the urban centre they migrate to. Most of the times the city wife is a working woman, a domestic help or doing work on those lines and is aware about what she is getting into. The rural wife generally doesn't have a say in the proceedings and most of the times ends up getting nothing except for support (in the form of food and lodging) for herself and her kids from her husbands family who she stays with. The other group consists of opportunists/borderline criminals working in cohorts with certain kazis have weaponized the polygamy option. Like they had weaponized the triple talaq. The girls parents are coerced into parting with their money else the boy would threaten with a triple talaq. In my very brief stint at Majlis, I've seen more than 50 cases of this sort. And these are only the reported ones. And its a lifetime of blackmail for the girls parents. Now that the triple talaq has been thrown into the dustbin, the modus operandi has changed to blackmailing with bringing another wife. Polygamy is almost non existent among the Muslim middle class. Among the rich/elite, it was present. I don't have stats. But now girls and their parents ensure that there are pre-nups signed which clearly state that the husband is foregoing the polygamy option. Besides, like @coffee_rules said, handling one spouse is difficult enough. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alam_dar Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 13 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Protected by law, flaunting it are different. Hindu polygamy is a crime.. There have been numerous incidents of conversion to Muslim just before marriage to avoid prosecution and also to cover up corruption (some Bank CEO married his secretary to hide crores of property). It has to be stopped so, all have the same law atleast. Flaunting it will be even then. Why does it have to be defended everytime this is noted? In my opinion: (1) Personal Laws are connected with only "ONE" person. It is not a state matter how "one" individual prays or eat. (2) When whenever "two" (like husband/wife) or "more" (like whole family) people are involved, then there could be no "personal law" for it. Government is responsible for the welfare of all the citizens, irrespective of their religion. Therefore, all the rules between two or more individuals should be made and governed by the Government. Multiple Partners Issue: I am against any personal law which tells that only men are allowed to have up to 4 wives. But at the same time I am not against the wish of any group of people who want to have multiple partners for each other, irrespective of their sex. I am hoping that any Western Country legalise it first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diga Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 16 hours ago, Mariyam said: The incidence of polygamy among Hindus and Muslims is almost the same, with Hindus slightly ahead in the percentage of population by that community which is polygamous. https://scroll.in/article/669083/muslim-women-and-the-surprising-facts-about-polygamy-in-india Afraid of a "southen" ? As for the article from Scroll you put up, the data you point to is from 1991.. The recent one cited in it is from 2006 where the percentage is 2.5% for Muslims against 1.7 for Hindus.? Just for the sake of non-obfuscation, any other source than the Scroll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 4 hours ago, diga said: Afraid of a "southen" ? As for the article from Scroll you put up, the data you point to is from 1991.. The recent one cited in it is from 2006 where the percentage is 2.5% for Muslims against 1.7 for Hindus.? Just for the sake of non-obfuscation, any other source than the Scroll? Southen? Spoken like a true Southern. It is soutan Here is another article with some stats on the topic. https://www.counterview.net/2016/09/polygamy-in-india-down-in-45-yrs.html You are right with the numbers you state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 https://www.deccanherald.com/national/sc-dismisses-all-ayodhya-verdict-review-petitions-784936.html all review petitions dismissed, including the one from AIMPLB, SC is communal. Joy Siri Ram Suhaan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 AIMPLB shold be closed. Mariyam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 (edited) VHP wants a dalit priest for Ram temple in Ayodhya Quote In an apparent bid to send out a message that the whole Hindu society is united over the Ram Mandir issue, the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP) on Saturday demanded that a dalit priest be appointed in the proposed temple in Ayodhya. It also said that money given by the society should be used to construct the temple. The VHP's remarks came even as the government is working on setting up a trust for the construction of the temple within the next few week as mandated by the Supreme Court. “The VHP is preparing several dalit priests from quite some time. With the Dharmacharya Contact Department and Archak Purohit Department, the VHP is running a campaign to train Scheduled Caste to become a priest,” VHP spokesperson Vinod Bansal told news agency IANS. The VHP has always tried to associated the dalit community with the Ram Mandir movement. It was Kameshwar Chaupal, a dalit party worker from Bihar, who laid the foundation stone for the temple in 1989. As per the November 9 Supreme Court judgment in the Ram Janmabhoomi-Babri Masjid matter, the central government has been directed to formulate a scheme with necessary provisions for the setting up of a trust with a board of trustees or any other appropriate body, the functioning of the trust, the powers of the trustees, transfer of land to the trust and all necessary, incidental and supplemental matters. In its verdict, the Supreme Court had paved the way for the construction of a Ram temple by a trust at the disputed site at Ayodhya, and directed the Centre to allot an alternative 5-acre plot to the Sunni Waqf Board for building a new mosque at a "prominent" place in the holy town in Uttar Pradesh The apex court had said a trust should be formed within three months for the construction of the temple at the site where many Hindus believe Lord Ram was born. Kudos, break down all caste divisions.....historical responsibility to uplift our Dalit brethren. Edited December 25, 2019 by Gollum Suhaan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollum Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) .Ayodhya Ram temple to be based on 30-year-old VHP model, trust to decide construction date File images of the VHP’s model of the proposed Ram temple in Ayodhya Edited February 27, 2020 by Gollum Norman, Suhaan and diga 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowboysfan Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Gollum said: .Ayodhya Ram temple to be based on 30-year-old VHP model, trust to decide construction date File images of the VHP’s model of the proposed Ram temple in Ayodhya looks ok but i was expecting something grander. Gollum and sergio04 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 35 minutes ago, cowboysfan said: looks ok but i was expecting something grander. Yes 60 acre is too small. However that Ram statue will definitely try to fill some gap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) Kya bakwaas plan/design hain. Jaldbaazi mein ho raha hain. Get the Akshardhaam people, they will make it look better. The fron looks like the Kar HC bldg: Edited February 27, 2020 by coffee_rules Gollum, sergio04 and Laaloo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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