pkmmamks Posted September 1, 2025 Posted September 1, 2025 27 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said: You are not thinking practically. 1) Pakistan gets hammered on the 9/10th and threatens with N -- its intent of doing this is not to execute the threat but to get attention of world powers 2) Seeing this - Saudi and others reach out to Pak and suggest to ceasefire and end conflict - Pak says they are willing to do it and suggest they ( Saudi and others ) reach out to India. 3) Saudi and others ( reach out to India ) with Pak's message and suggest Pak wants to end the conflict. 4) Our MEA suggests that if they want to end the conflict -then have their DGMO reach out to ours. 5) Disengagement happens. In this -- Where have we asked for or accepted any intervention here ? Should we have told Saudi ( with whom we have great ties ) to F off and mind your own business ? We told them if Pak wants a ceasefire - have Pak call us and request it. Off course on Saudis to mind their own business. Its not for them to interfere on a fake nuclear threat. Would you call it entertaining than intervention? Whatever is the choice of word. They came in the middle . Think about this as well - Pak calls and we agree to stop - Why?
mishra Posted September 1, 2025 Posted September 1, 2025 21 minutes ago, pkmmamks said: Off course on Saudis to mind their own business. Its not for them to interfere on a fake nuclear threat. Would you call it entertaining than intervention? Whatever is the choice of word. They came in the middle . Think about this as well - Pak calls and we agree to stop - Why? We agreed to stop after first 25 minutes. That was our way of showing we are acting responsibly and our actions are response to aggression. If Ak want to escalate after our response, We will only stop after we have giben ehat we think is fitting response.. rangeelaraja 1
rangeelaraja Posted September 1, 2025 Posted September 1, 2025 (edited) 34 minutes ago, pkmmamks said: Off course on Saudis to mind their own business. Its not for them to interfere on a fake nuclear threat. Would you call it entertaining than intervention? Whatever is the choice of word. They came in the middle . Think about this as well - Pak calls and we agree to stop - Why? Dude you are not making any sense to me. What do you mean Saudis came in the middle ? Can we control what Saudi does ? they choose to be Paks messenger but we forced Pak to call and request. It’s like saying that a damn good driver who has an accident free history for 40 years suddenly gets rammed from the side by a speeding car, so he becomes a bad driver. You can’t control how others drive. Likewise we can’t control what other countries do. We told Saudi who reached out to us, that if Pak is desperate, they should reach out to us DIRECTLY via the DGMO channel. Because we don’t accept 3rd party intervention. And Pak did exactly that. Saudi was out of it and wasn’t part of the DGMO discussion. It’s not so hard to understand. Yes, India taught Pak a harsh lesson and decided to end it after we caused massive damage to a dozen of their air bases and flattened LET and JEM camps killing 100+ , whose funeral also were televised. It is the commonsensical thing to do when your enemy requests and they have been adequately punished. Had the war be prolonged, they too would have gotten steady supply from China, Turkey and others. We would have hammered them even more and in the bargain suffered collateral damage too. Did you not see how despite the the best touted integrated air defense and all the help, Iran was able to cause significant damage to large parts of Israel. Pak could have caused such damage to India too if the war prolonged. India ended the war on its terms and dominated the escalation ladder and ended the war only when Pak begged for a ceasefire via its friends. Edited September 1, 2025 by rangeelaraja
straighttalk Posted September 2, 2025 Posted September 2, 2025 16 hours ago, mishra said: ^ Yes, You may be right. But I still think Trump is doing what he is doing and would have done , with or without Pahalgham. 25% is for Russian oil and 25% is for not opening up various sectors. Trump bought Pakistan and Asim Munir’s loyalty by saving his ass from Brahmos. Now on, Pakistan will start buying American weapons. I am not saying Trump is doing all this because of Pakistan but im saying Pakistan has dealt a blow to India diplomatically and economically taking advantage of this..not advocating Nobel Peace prize or providing kickbacks either but the fact remains the enemy is taking advantage and we are taking the loss econmically pkmmamks 1
pkmmamks Posted September 3, 2025 Posted September 3, 2025 On 9/2/2025 at 3:41 AM, rangeelaraja said: Dude you are not making any sense to me. What do you mean Saudis came in the middle ? Can we control what Saudi does ? they choose to be Paks messenger but we forced Pak to call and request. It’s like saying that a damn good driver who has an accident free history for 40 years suddenly gets rammed from the side by a speeding car, so he becomes a bad driver. You can’t control how others drive. Likewise we can’t control what other countries do. We told Saudi who reached out to us, that if Pak is desperate, they should reach out to us DIRECTLY via the DGMO channel. Because we don’t accept 3rd party intervention. And Pak did exactly that. Saudi was out of it and wasn’t part of the DGMO discussion. It’s not so hard to understand. Yes, India taught Pak a harsh lesson and decided to end it after we caused massive damage to a dozen of their air bases and flattened LET and JEM camps killing 100+ , whose funeral also were televised. It is the commonsensical thing to do when your enemy requests and they have been adequately punished. Had the war be prolonged, they too would have gotten steady supply from China, Turkey and others. We would have hammered them even more and in the bargain suffered collateral damage too. Did you not see how despite the the best touted integrated air defense and all the help, Iran was able to cause significant damage to large parts of Israel. Pak could have caused such damage to India too if the war prolonged. India ended the war on its terms and dominated the escalation ladder and ended the war only when Pak begged for a ceasefire via its friends. Paurkies know that we will stop if approached via US Saudi and going forward via chinese too. That is why they take that route. Otherwise they would approach directly to stop Let's agree to disagree here if not aligned rangeelaraja 1
Gollum Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 No matter what this sarkar does, it is hailed as masterstroke. Tomorrow Modi may go and fall at Munir's feet and even that will be spun around to show supreme leader in good light. This is what happens when media is pliant, dissent is crushed, any alternative opinion (even from well wishers/supporters) is shot down.....the interests of the country suffer. Stan AF 1
kepler37b Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 3 hours ago, Gollum said: No matter what this sarkar does, it is hailed as masterstroke. Tomorrow Modi may go and fall at Munir's feet and even that will be spun around to show supreme leader in good light. This is what happens when media is pliant, dissent is crushed, any alternative opinion (even from well wishers/supporters) is shot down.....the interests of the country suffer. I believe the media is now controlled by Desi oligarchs. Pre-2014, it was controlled by the vested groups of the west, that had extreme hostility to ALL sorts of hindu political activism. mishra 1
mishra Posted September 4, 2025 Posted September 4, 2025 (edited) 2 hours ago, kepler37b said: I believe the media is now controlled by Desi oligarchs. Pre-2014, it was controlled by the vested groups of the west, that had extreme hostility to ALL sorts of hindu political activism. This is exactly how democracy works. Alternative is state controls media. When you are weak, other Stronger nations(China, US , EU) freely influence your media and they tell you that it is free media. There is no Free Media. Jounalism is just another Trade type Edited September 4, 2025 by mishra
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